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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by jp » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:23 am

Leo wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:43 pm
I wont be convinced LCZ is better until it beats Brainfish. It could but lets see.
When Alpha Zero played SF8 crippled, but with Cerebellum, AZ's performance was mediocre.

So if Lc0 can beat the uncrippled latest Brainfish, that will be one indication it's much stronger than A0.

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by mclane » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 pm

I see you only test on very fast hardware.

Ok.

But it gets really funny if you use weak hardware.
I have a tablet where LC0 makes 1-15 NPS. I am not speaking of KNodes but Nodes.

It plays very strong chess although the Android tablet is weak.
I first thought it would give a good opponent for my old dedicated chess computers. But surprisingly it even beated my Millennium the King running in a 300 MHz arm cpu with Johan de Konings the king engine,

And the way it did was marvellous. Not with tactics. But with strategy,

It seems even on the very low level of NPS the engine demonstrates that there is strength of chess with strategy beyond tactics.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by chrisw » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:08 pm

mclane wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 pm
I see you only test on very fast hardware.

Ok.

But it gets really funny if you use weak hardware.
I have a tablet where LC0 makes 1-15 NPS. I am not speaking of KNodes but Nodes.

It plays very strong chess although the Android tablet is weak.
I first thought it would give a good opponent for my old dedicated chess computers. But surprisingly it even beated my Millennium the King running in a 300 MHz arm cpu with Johan de Konings the king engine,

And the way it did was marvellous. Not with tactics. But with strategy,

It seems even on the very low level of NPS the engine demonstrates that there is strength of chess with strategy beyond tactics.
Finally, he gets it

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by supersharp77 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm

chrisw wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:08 pm
mclane wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 pm
I see you only test on very fast hardware.

Ok.

But it gets really funny if you use weak hardware.
I have a tablet where LC0 makes 1-15 NPS. I am not speaking of KNodes but Nodes.

It plays very strong chess although the Android tablet is weak.
I first thought it would give a good opponent for my old dedicated chess computers. But surprisingly it even beated my Millennium the King running in a 300 MHz arm cpu with Johan de Konings the king engine,

And the way it did was marvellous. Not with tactics. But with strategy,

It seems even on the very low level of NPS the engine demonstrates that there is strength of chess with strategy beyond tactics.
Finally, he gets it
Hahahaha....Sure man.....people make lots of claims and statements...But Wait a minute...WHERES THE GAMES? PROOF
Please....lmao :D :wink:

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by Leo » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:26 pm

jp wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:23 am
Leo wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:43 pm
I wont be convinced LCZ is better until it beats Brainfish. It could but lets see.
When Alpha Zero played SF8 crippled, but with Cerebellum, AZ's performance was mediocre.

So if Lc0 can beat the uncrippled latest Brainfish, that will be one indication it's much stronger than A0.
Doesn't LC0 have a 40 mb cache of precalculated moves? Like a learn file. SF has to calculate everything from scratch.
Advanced Micro Devices fan.

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by jp » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:10 pm

Leo wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:26 pm
Doesn't LC0 have a 40 mb cache of precalculated moves? Like a learn file. SF has to calculate everything from scratch.
No, not that I'm aware of.

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by mclane » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:57 pm

supersharp77 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm
chrisw wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:08 pm
mclane wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 pm
I see you only test on very fast hardware.

Ok.

But it gets really funny if you use weak hardware.
I have a tablet where LC0 makes 1-15 NPS. I am not speaking of KNodes but Nodes.

It plays very strong chess although the Android tablet is weak.
I first thought it would give a good opponent for my old dedicated chess computers. But surprisingly it even beated my Millennium the King running in a 300 MHz arm cpu with Johan de Konings the king engine,

And the way it did was marvellous. Not with tactics. But with strategy,

It seems even on the very low level of NPS the engine demonstrates that there is strength of chess with strategy beyond tactics.
Finally, he gets it
Hahahaha....Sure man.....people make lots of claims and statements...But Wait a minute...WHERES THE GAMES? PROOF
Please....lmao :D :wink:

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[Event "40/120"]
[Site "SCW"]
[Date "2019.06.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "LC0 Android Element"]
[Black "Millennium The King 2.61"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. Ng5 Nh6 6. O-O b5 
7. Be2 Be7 8. Nf3 Ng4 9. a4 b4 10. c3 a5 11. cxb4 axb4 
12. Qc2 Ba6 13. Bxa6 Rxa6 14. h3 Ngf6 15. dxe5 Nxe5 
16. Nxe5 dxe5 17. Be3 O-O 18. Nd2 c5 19. Nc4 Qa8 20. f3 Re6 
21. a5 Rb8 22. Rfd1 Qa7 23. b3 Nd7 24. Rd5 Qc7 25. Bf2 Nf8 
26. Qd3 Rb7 27. Ne3 Ng6 28. Nf5 Bf8 29. g3 Ra7 30. Rd8 Rea6 
31. Qd5 h6 32. h4 h5 33. Kg2 Rxa5 34. Rxa5 Qxa5 35. Bxc5 
Qa2+ 36. Bf2 Qb2 37. Qd2 Qxd2 38. Rxd2 Rc7 39. Rd3 Rc1 
40. Ne3 f6 41. Nd5 Rc2 42. Kf1 Rb2 43. Be3 Rb1+ 44. Ke2 
Rb2+ 45. Kf1 Rb1+ 46. Kf2 Rb2+ 47. Ke1 Rb1+ 48. Kd2 Rb2+ 
49. Ke1 Rb1+ 50. Ke2 Rb2+ 51. Bd2 Bc5 52. Kf1 Rb1+ 53. Ke2 
Rb2 54. Kf1 Rb1+ 55. Ke2 Rb2 1/2-1/2

[Event "40/120"]
[Site "SCW"]
[Date "2019.06.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "MCE The King 2.61"]
[Black "LC0 Android Element"]
[ECO "B02"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. exd5 Nxd5 4. Bc4 Nb6 5. Bb3 c5 
6. Qh5 c4 7. Bxc4 Nxc4 8. Qb5+ Nc6 9. Qxc4 e5 10. Nf3 Be7 
11. O-O O-O 12. Qe4 f5 13. Qc4+ Kh8 14. d3 Bf6 15. Re1 h6 
16. Bd2 Re8 17. Qb3 a5 18. Nd5 Be6 19. c4 Bxd5 20. cxd5 Nb4 
21. Bxb4 axb4 22. d4 e4 23. Ne5 Bxe5 24. dxe5 Rxe5 25. Rad1 
Qd6 26. Rd4 Rd8 27. Red1 f4 28. Re1 Qg6 29. Rxb4 Rdxd5 
30. Rb6 Qh5 31. Rxb7 f3 32. Qc4 Kh7 33. Rb3 Rc5 34. Qf1 Qg6 
35. g3 Qe6 36. Rc1 Rcd5 37. Rcc3 Rd2 38. Re3 Qd5 39. h3 h5 
40. h4 Rd4 41. Kh2 Rd1 42. Re1 Rd2 43. Kg1 Qd4 44. Ree3 Qd5 
45. Kh1 Rd4 46. Re1 Qe6 47. Kg1 g5 48. Rb7+ Kg6 49. Rd1 
Rdd5 50. Rxd5 Rxd5 51. b4 e3 52. Qb1+ Rf5 53. Qb2 Rf6 
54. Qc2+ Rf5 55. Qb2 Rf6 56. hxg5 e2 57. Qb1+ Rf5 58. Qe1 
h4 59. a4 hxg3 60. Rb8 0-1


What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by supersharp77 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:01 pm

mclane wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:57 pm
supersharp77 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:05 pm
chrisw wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:08 pm
mclane wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:48 pm
I see you only test on very fast hardware.

Ok.

But it gets really funny if you use weak hardware.
I have a tablet where LC0 makes 1-15 NPS. I am not speaking of KNodes but Nodes.

It plays very strong chess although the Android tablet is weak.
I first thought it would give a good opponent for my old dedicated chess computers. But surprisingly it even beated my Millennium the King running in a 300 MHz arm cpu with Johan de Konings the king engine,

And the way it did was marvellous. Not with tactics. But with strategy,

It seems even on the very low level of NPS the engine demonstrates that there is strength of chess with strategy beyond tactics.
Finally, he gets it
Hahahaha....Sure man.....people make lots of claims and statements...But Wait a minute...WHERES THE GAMES? PROOF
Please....lmao :D :wink:

Code: Select all


[Event "40/120"]
[Site "SCW"]
[Date "2019.06.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "LC0 Android Element"]
[Black "Millennium The King 2.61"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. Ng5 Nh6 6. O-O b5 
7. Be2 Be7 8. Nf3 Ng4 9. a4 b4 10. c3 a5 11. cxb4 axb4 
12. Qc2 Ba6 13. Bxa6 Rxa6 14. h3 Ngf6 15. dxe5 Nxe5 
16. Nxe5 dxe5 17. Be3 O-O 18. Nd2 c5 19. Nc4 Qa8 20. f3 Re6 
21. a5 Rb8 22. Rfd1 Qa7 23. b3 Nd7 24. Rd5 Qc7 25. Bf2 Nf8 
26. Qd3 Rb7 27. Ne3 Ng6 28. Nf5 Bf8 29. g3 Ra7 30. Rd8 Rea6 
31. Qd5 h6 32. h4 h5 33. Kg2 Rxa5 34. Rxa5 Qxa5 35. Bxc5 
Qa2+ 36. Bf2 Qb2 37. Qd2 Qxd2 38. Rxd2 Rc7 39. Rd3 Rc1 
40. Ne3 f6 41. Nd5 Rc2 42. Kf1 Rb2 43. Be3 Rb1+ 44. Ke2 
Rb2+ 45. Kf1 Rb1+ 46. Kf2 Rb2+ 47. Ke1 Rb1+ 48. Kd2 Rb2+ 
49. Ke1 Rb1+ 50. Ke2 Rb2+ 51. Bd2 Bc5 52. Kf1 Rb1+ 53. Ke2 
Rb2 54. Kf1 Rb1+ 55. Ke2 Rb2 1/2-1/2

[Event "40/120"]
[Site "SCW"]
[Date "2019.06.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "MCE The King 2.61"]
[Black "LC0 Android Element"]
[ECO "B02"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. exd5 Nxd5 4. Bc4 Nb6 5. Bb3 c5 
6. Qh5 c4 7. Bxc4 Nxc4 8. Qb5+ Nc6 9. Qxc4 e5 10. Nf3 Be7 
11. O-O O-O 12. Qe4 f5 13. Qc4+ Kh8 14. d3 Bf6 15. Re1 h6 
16. Bd2 Re8 17. Qb3 a5 18. Nd5 Be6 19. c4 Bxd5 20. cxd5 Nb4 
21. Bxb4 axb4 22. d4 e4 23. Ne5 Bxe5 24. dxe5 Rxe5 25. Rad1 
Qd6 26. Rd4 Rd8 27. Red1 f4 28. Re1 Qg6 29. Rxb4 Rdxd5 
30. Rb6 Qh5 31. Rxb7 f3 32. Qc4 Kh7 33. Rb3 Rc5 34. Qf1 Qg6 
35. g3 Qe6 36. Rc1 Rcd5 37. Rcc3 Rd2 38. Re3 Qd5 39. h3 h5 
40. h4 Rd4 41. Kh2 Rd1 42. Re1 Rd2 43. Kg1 Qd4 44. Ree3 Qd5 
45. Kh1 Rd4 46. Re1 Qe6 47. Kg1 g5 48. Rb7+ Kg6 49. Rd1 
Rdd5 50. Rxd5 Rxd5 51. b4 e3 52. Qb1+ Rf5 53. Qb2 Rf6 
54. Qc2+ Rf5 55. Qb2 Rf6 56. hxg5 e2 57. Qb1+ Rf5 58. Qe1 
h4 59. a4 hxg3 60. Rb8 0-1


Whoa.......Chessmaster 2.62?.......What year is that one?..(When you say Chessmaster I think 312-323-332-333-350 or 350 x64)....Its really old right? Rating around 2000 ELO? plus Chessmaster always plays E5 vs Alekhines Defense..What opening book you using? Thx AR

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:22 am

Probably chessmaster 7000.
9000 is the king 3.1 version
Grandmaster edition is the king 3.5 version.

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Re: Leela, such a great engine (and innovation)?

Post by mclane » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:54 am

Millennium chess exclusive comes with the king 2.61 and is a dedicated chess computer on arm cpu 300 MHz. Elo Arround 2400+
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