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Vinvin
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Re: Harware and software in chess

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mclane wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:26 pm The idea is to measure how strong stockfish is on fossile Hardware the spracklen and others had to use.

This means same MHz, same maximum program size (32 kB) and same maximum ram size (8 kB).
Here are some relevant threads about SF on old hardware.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 91#p688391
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 44#p713444

Rough estimation for SF10 on a 80486/50-66 MHz (2000 nodes/second) is around 2800.
On the SSDF list, Genius 3 486/50-66 MHz is rated 2256.

I would love to see SSDF testing SF10 on a 486 CPU or even on a Pentium 90 ! /melancholia
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Re: Harware and software in chess

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+ Stockfish Benchmarks from SedatChess with Stockfish 13111907 (from November 2013)

https://sedatchess.wordpress.com/benchmarks-2/

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kN/s  Cores  EXE   Processors             Speed      Hardware Users
23020   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2697 v2     @3.22GHz   Ahmed Mansoor
21604   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2696 v2     @3.10GHz   Lukas Cimiotti
20555   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2696 v2     @2.97GHz   Frank Karl Werner
19754   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5675    @4.83GHz   George Martins
19709   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2697 v2     @2.70GHz   Roparz
19337   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5667    @4.55GHz   Kim Burcham
18994   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5680    @4.50GHz   Rolando Acosta
17899   20   x64   2x Xeon E5-2660 v2     @2.60GHz   Adam Kostas
17650   20   x64   2x Xeon E5-2650 v3     @2.30GHz   Steinar
17149   16   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5-2687   3.10GHz   Peter Grayson
16326   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5645    @3.80GHz   ErO Sennin
15648    8   x64   Intel Core i7-5960X    @4.60GHz   Alan Smithee
15010   16   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5-2687W  3.10GHz   Bobby Johnson
13542   16   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5-2689   3.30GHz   Martin Thoresen
12867   32   x64   Dual AMD Opteron 6376   2.30GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
12459   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5650    @2.92GHz   Leto Atreides
12049    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3960X    @5.00GHz   Black Viper
11578    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3970X    @4.80GHz   Kim Burcham
11386    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3930K    @4.90GHz   Arriere Pensee
11095    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3960X    @4.60GHz   Fulcrum2000
10617    6   x64   Intel Core i7 990X     @4.40GHz   Daniel Tyson
10612    6   x64   Intel Core i7-4930K    @4.50GHz   Hauke Lutz
10512    6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X     @4.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
10282    6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X     @4.10GHz   David Bigler
10244    6   x64   Intel Core i7-4930K    @3.98GHz   Guest71
10157    6   x64   Intel Core i7-4960X    @4.12GHz   Adam Kostas
9787     6   x64   Intel Core i7-4930K     3.40GHz   Torbjorn Johansen
9626     6   x64   Intel Core i7-970      @3.80GHz   George Steele
9471     8   x64   AMD FX-9590 Vishera    @5.00GHz   Jacob Smith
9142     8   x64   AMD FX-8150 Zambezi    @4.80GHz   Anthony Harold
9139     6   x64   Intel Core i7-5820K     3.33GHz   Enrique Lopez
8750     8   x64   AMD FX-8350 Vishera    @4.50GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
8614     8   x64   AMD FX-8350 Vishera    @4.40GHz   Felix Fernandez
8533    16   x64   Dual AMD Opteron 6376   2.30GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
8434     4   x64   Intel Core i5-4670K    @4.50GHz   Dark Wizzie
8394     6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X      3.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
8150     6   x64   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz
7902     4   x64   Intel Core i5 2500K    @5.00GHz   Anonymous
7877     4   x64   Intel Core i7-4770K    @4.30GHz   Frank Quisinsky
7739     4   x64   Intel Core i5 2500K    @4.80GHz   Bullet
7721     8   x64   AMD FX-8350 Vishera     4.00GHz   Edsel Apostol
7760     4   x64   Intel Core i5-3570K    @4.60GHZ   Chris Cheek
7344     4   x64   Intel Core i5 2500K    @4.40GHz   Anonymous
7193     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1100T @4.10GHz   Orlando
7097     4   x64   Intel Xeon E5620       @4.33GHz   Anonymous
6992     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1100T @3.60GHz   Raymond Banks
6893     4   x64   Intel Core i5 750      @4.29GHz   Anonymous
6821     4   x64   Intel Core i7-920      @4.20GHz   Brian Richardson
6779     4   x64   Intel Xeon E5620       @4.00GHz   Anonymous
6715     8   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5450     3.00GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
6687     4   x64   Intel Core i7-2600     @4.20GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
6555     4   x64   Intel Core i7 3820     @4.30GHz   Jesse Gersenson
6489     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @3.50GHz   Sam Benton
6488     4   x64   Intel Core i5-4670K     3.40GHz   Dark Wizzie
6409     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650    @4.60GHz   Anonymous
6465     4   x64   Intel Core i5 4670     @3.59GHz   Jean-Francois Romang
6366     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1075T @3.00 GHz  Sugiarto
6331     4   x64   Intel Core i7-4930MX    3.00GHz   Sylvain Renard
6246     4   x64   Intel Core i7-3770      3.40GHz   Alienware
6248     8   x64   AMD FX-8120 Zambezi     3.10GHz   Vadim Andreev
6071     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1100T  3.30GHz   Anonymous
6027     4   x64   Intel Xeon W3520       @3.80GHz   Veronix
5963     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1090T  3.20GHz   Bram Mourik
5793     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650    @4.23GHz   Alvarez
5746     6   w32   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz
5727     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600     @4.20GHz   Anonymous
5715     4   x64   Intel Core i5-750      @3.50GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
5642     4   x64   Intel Core i5-3570      3.40GHz   Anonymous
5424     4   x64   Intel Core i7-2600      3.40GHz   NssY
5338     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650    @4.10GHz   Anonymous
5297     4   x64   AMD Phenom II X4 945   @4.00GHz   Brandon
5186     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q9505     @4.00GHz   Hans Kloss
5113     6   x64   AMD Phenom X6 1055T     2.80GHz   Anonymous
4889     4   x64   Intel Core i5-760       2.80GHz   Raul Andino
4821     4   x64   Intel i7-4700MQ        @2.40GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
4694     4   x64   Intel Core i7 920       2.66GHz   Anonymous
4606     4   x64   Intel Core i7-3630QM   @2.40GHz   Hanskes
4529     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600     @3.60GHz   Sylvain Renard
4421     4   x64   AMD Phenom II X4 945    3.00GHz   Andreas Paulick
4421     6   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5620     2.40GHz   Bateman
4341     6   x64   AMD Opteron 2431        2.40GHz   Anonymous
4336     8   x64   2x Intel Xeon L5420     2.50GHz   Adam Hair
4295     4   x64   AMD Phenom II X4 940    3.00GHz   Enrique Lopez
4134     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650     3.00GHz   Sedat Canbaz
4083     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600     @3.00GHz   Anonymous
4007     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX6800     2.93GHz   Murat Yalcın
3728     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX6700    @2.93GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
3721     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q9550      2.83GHz   Anonymous
3720     4   x64   Intel Core i7-2670QM    2.20GHz   Seaman
3597     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX6700     2.66GHz   Carl Scott
3546     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q8400      2.66GHz   Daniel Levy
3527     4   x64   AMD FX-4130 Zambezi     3.80GHz   Anonymous
3283     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600      2.40GHz   Mehmet Akut
2702     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q9000      2.00GHz   Anonymous
2213     2   x64   Intel Core2 Duo E4700  @3.50GHz   Bahtiyar Dikmen
2152     2   x64   Intel Core i5-3210M     2.50GHz   Rob Nicholas
2083     1   x64   Intel Core i7-4770K    @4.30GHz   Frank Quisinsky
2026     2   x64   Intel Core2 Duo E6600  @3.00GHz   Ernest Bonnem
1966     3   x64   AMD Phenom 8650 Triple  2.30GHz   Blanco
1910     2   x64   Intel Core i5-2410M     2.30GHz   Guest71
1905     1   x64   Intel Core i7-980X     @4.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
1904     2   x64   Intel Core 2 Duo P9700  2.80Ghz   Anonymous
1832     4   w32   AMD Phenom X4 9750      2.40GHz   Gustavo Mallada
1804     2   w32   Intel Corei3-2100       3.10GHz   Vincent Lejeune
1796     2   x64   Intel Core i3 370M      2.40GHz   Mare1975
1784     1   x64   Intel Core i7 3820     @4.30GHz   Jesse Gersenson
1645     2   x64   Intel Core Duo T9300    2.50GHz   Anonymous
1583     2   x64   Intel Core i3-2370M     2.40GHz   James Logan
1551     4   w32   AMD A-Series A8-4500M   1.90GHz   Fauzi Dabat
1470     2   x64   Intel Core2Duo T-6570   2.10Ghz   Hermann Krause
1469     1   x64   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz
1463     2   w32   Intel Pentium E6300     2.80GHz   Akbaba
1414     2   x64   AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+  2.60GHz   Teddy Mackenzie
1361     2   w32   Intel Core 2 Duo E8200  2.66GHz   Anonymous
1243     2   x64   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
1213     2   x64   Intel Core 2 Duo T6600  2.20GHz   Anonymous
1188     2   w32   AMD A4-5000             1.50GHz   Mike Nicholas
1185     1   x64   Intel Core i7-2820QM    2.30GHz   Anonymous
1158     2   w32   Intel Core 2 Duo T7500  2.20GHz   Anonymous
1106     2   w32   Intel Celeron 1000M     1.80GHz   Genadi Stoyanov
1099     1   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650     3.00GHz   Sedat Canbaz
1082     2   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-7300   2.00GHz   Vincent Lejeune
1073     1   x64   Intel Core2Duo E6600   @3.00GHz   Ernest Bonnem
1066     4   w32   Intel Atom Z3740        1.33GHz   H Tsang
1019     2   w32   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
978      2   w32   Intel Core 2 Duo P7450  2.13GHz   Anonymous
946      1   w32   Intel Corei3-2100       3.10GHz   Vincent Lejeune
930      1   x64   Intel Core i3 370M      2.40GHz   Mare1975
921      2   w32   AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-64  2.00GHz   Anonymous
905      1   x64   2x Intel Xeon L5420     2.50GHz   Adam Hair
895      1   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-5800   2.00Ghz   Guest71
817      2   w32   Intel Core Duo T2300    1.66GHz   Mitchell
806      4   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
801      2   w32   Intel Core Duo T2050    1.60GHz   Tom Logan
771      1   x64   Intel Core2Duo T-6570   2.10Ghz   Hermann Krause
738      1   w32   Intel Pentium E6300     2.80GHz   Akbaba
738      4   w32   Samsung Galaxy Note II  1.60GHz   Aser Huerga
671      3   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
667      1   x64   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
641      1   w32   Intel Core i3-2310M     2.10GHz   Felix
575      3   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
565      1   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-7300   2.00GHz   Vincent Lejeune
528      1   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-6570   2.10Ghz   Bformless
523      1   w32   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
511      1   w32   AMD Athlon 64 3500+     2.20GHz   Anonymous
486      2   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
473      4   w32   Lenovo A3000 Quad Core  1.20GHz   Souvik Chakraborty
389      4   w32   LG Nexus 4 E960         1.50GHz   Andreas Paulick
364      1   w32   AMD Sempron 2800+       1.60GHz   Victor
331      1   w32   Intel Pentium 4         2.80GHz   Anonymous
251      1   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
224      1   w32   AMD Athlon XP 1600      1.40GHz   Anonymous
202      1   w32   Intel Atom N270         1.60GHz   Dark Wizzie
101      1   w32   Sony Xperia P           1.00GHz   Tony Soares
63       1   w32   Intel Pentium III        550MHz   Gustavo Mallada
6        1   w32   Intel Pentium II         133MHz   Gustavo Mallada
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Re: Harware and software in chess

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In those early days programs were made selective to increase horizon.
Best programmers (e.g. Ed Schröder) were capable reaching 1950 ELO with 6502 32kb ROM 8 kB ram on 5 MHz.

Brute force made not much sense in those days.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....
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Re: Harware and software in chess

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Vinvin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:49 am + Stockfish Benchmarks from SedatChess with Stockfish 13111907 (from November 2013)

https://sedatchess.wordpress.com/benchmarks-2/

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kN/s  Cores  EXE   Processors             Speed      Hardware Users
23020   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2697 v2     @3.22GHz   Ahmed Mansoor
21604   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2696 v2     @3.10GHz   Lukas Cimiotti
20555   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2696 v2     @2.97GHz   Frank Karl Werner
19754   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5675    @4.83GHz   George Martins
19709   24   x64   2x Xeon E5-2697 v2     @2.70GHz   Roparz
19337   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5667    @4.55GHz   Kim Burcham
18994   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5680    @4.50GHz   Rolando Acosta
17899   20   x64   2x Xeon E5-2660 v2     @2.60GHz   Adam Kostas
17650   20   x64   2x Xeon E5-2650 v3     @2.30GHz   Steinar
17149   16   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5-2687   3.10GHz   Peter Grayson
16326   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5645    @3.80GHz   ErO Sennin
15648    8   x64   Intel Core i7-5960X    @4.60GHz   Alan Smithee
15010   16   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5-2687W  3.10GHz   Bobby Johnson
13542   16   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5-2689   3.30GHz   Martin Thoresen
12867   32   x64   Dual AMD Opteron 6376   2.30GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
12459   12   x64   2x Intel Xeon X5650    @2.92GHz   Leto Atreides
12049    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3960X    @5.00GHz   Black Viper
11578    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3970X    @4.80GHz   Kim Burcham
11386    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3930K    @4.90GHz   Arriere Pensee
11095    6   x64   Intel Core i7-3960X    @4.60GHz   Fulcrum2000
10617    6   x64   Intel Core i7 990X     @4.40GHz   Daniel Tyson
10612    6   x64   Intel Core i7-4930K    @4.50GHz   Hauke Lutz
10512    6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X     @4.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
10282    6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X     @4.10GHz   David Bigler
10244    6   x64   Intel Core i7-4930K    @3.98GHz   Guest71
10157    6   x64   Intel Core i7-4960X    @4.12GHz   Adam Kostas
9787     6   x64   Intel Core i7-4930K     3.40GHz   Torbjorn Johansen
9626     6   x64   Intel Core i7-970      @3.80GHz   George Steele
9471     8   x64   AMD FX-9590 Vishera    @5.00GHz   Jacob Smith
9142     8   x64   AMD FX-8150 Zambezi    @4.80GHz   Anthony Harold
9139     6   x64   Intel Core i7-5820K     3.33GHz   Enrique Lopez
8750     8   x64   AMD FX-8350 Vishera    @4.50GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
8614     8   x64   AMD FX-8350 Vishera    @4.40GHz   Felix Fernandez
8533    16   x64   Dual AMD Opteron 6376   2.30GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
8434     4   x64   Intel Core i5-4670K    @4.50GHz   Dark Wizzie
8394     6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X      3.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
8150     6   x64   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz
7902     4   x64   Intel Core i5 2500K    @5.00GHz   Anonymous
7877     4   x64   Intel Core i7-4770K    @4.30GHz   Frank Quisinsky
7739     4   x64   Intel Core i5 2500K    @4.80GHz   Bullet
7721     8   x64   AMD FX-8350 Vishera     4.00GHz   Edsel Apostol
7760     4   x64   Intel Core i5-3570K    @4.60GHZ   Chris Cheek
7344     4   x64   Intel Core i5 2500K    @4.40GHz   Anonymous
7193     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1100T @4.10GHz   Orlando
7097     4   x64   Intel Xeon E5620       @4.33GHz   Anonymous
6992     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1100T @3.60GHz   Raymond Banks
6893     4   x64   Intel Core i5 750      @4.29GHz   Anonymous
6821     4   x64   Intel Core i7-920      @4.20GHz   Brian Richardson
6779     4   x64   Intel Xeon E5620       @4.00GHz   Anonymous
6715     8   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5450     3.00GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
6687     4   x64   Intel Core i7-2600     @4.20GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
6555     4   x64   Intel Core i7 3820     @4.30GHz   Jesse Gersenson
6489     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @3.50GHz   Sam Benton
6488     4   x64   Intel Core i5-4670K     3.40GHz   Dark Wizzie
6409     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650    @4.60GHz   Anonymous
6465     4   x64   Intel Core i5 4670     @3.59GHz   Jean-Francois Romang
6366     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1075T @3.00 GHz  Sugiarto
6331     4   x64   Intel Core i7-4930MX    3.00GHz   Sylvain Renard
6246     4   x64   Intel Core i7-3770      3.40GHz   Alienware
6248     8   x64   AMD FX-8120 Zambezi     3.10GHz   Vadim Andreev
6071     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1100T  3.30GHz   Anonymous
6027     4   x64   Intel Xeon W3520       @3.80GHz   Veronix
5963     6   x64   AMD Phenom II X6 1090T  3.20GHz   Bram Mourik
5793     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650    @4.23GHz   Alvarez
5746     6   w32   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz
5727     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600     @4.20GHz   Anonymous
5715     4   x64   Intel Core i5-750      @3.50GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
5642     4   x64   Intel Core i5-3570      3.40GHz   Anonymous
5424     4   x64   Intel Core i7-2600      3.40GHz   NssY
5338     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650    @4.10GHz   Anonymous
5297     4   x64   AMD Phenom II X4 945   @4.00GHz   Brandon
5186     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q9505     @4.00GHz   Hans Kloss
5113     6   x64   AMD Phenom X6 1055T     2.80GHz   Anonymous
4889     4   x64   Intel Core i5-760       2.80GHz   Raul Andino
4821     4   x64   Intel i7-4700MQ        @2.40GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
4694     4   x64   Intel Core i7 920       2.66GHz   Anonymous
4606     4   x64   Intel Core i7-3630QM   @2.40GHz   Hanskes
4529     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600     @3.60GHz   Sylvain Renard
4421     4   x64   AMD Phenom II X4 945    3.00GHz   Andreas Paulick
4421     6   x64   2x Intel Xeon E5620     2.40GHz   Bateman
4341     6   x64   AMD Opteron 2431        2.40GHz   Anonymous
4336     8   x64   2x Intel Xeon L5420     2.50GHz   Adam Hair
4295     4   x64   AMD Phenom II X4 940    3.00GHz   Enrique Lopez
4134     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650     3.00GHz   Sedat Canbaz
4083     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600     @3.00GHz   Anonymous
4007     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX6800     2.93GHz   Murat Yalcın
3728     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX6700    @2.93GHz   Andreas Strangmüller
3721     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q9550      2.83GHz   Anonymous
3720     4   x64   Intel Core i7-2670QM    2.20GHz   Seaman
3597     4   x64   Intel Core 2 QX6700     2.66GHz   Carl Scott
3546     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q8400      2.66GHz   Daniel Levy
3527     4   x64   AMD FX-4130 Zambezi     3.80GHz   Anonymous
3283     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q6600      2.40GHz   Mehmet Akut
2702     4   x64   Intel Core 2 Q9000      2.00GHz   Anonymous
2213     2   x64   Intel Core2 Duo E4700  @3.50GHz   Bahtiyar Dikmen
2152     2   x64   Intel Core i5-3210M     2.50GHz   Rob Nicholas
2083     1   x64   Intel Core i7-4770K    @4.30GHz   Frank Quisinsky
2026     2   x64   Intel Core2 Duo E6600  @3.00GHz   Ernest Bonnem
1966     3   x64   AMD Phenom 8650 Triple  2.30GHz   Blanco
1910     2   x64   Intel Core i5-2410M     2.30GHz   Guest71
1905     1   x64   Intel Core i7-980X     @4.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
1904     2   x64   Intel Core 2 Duo P9700  2.80Ghz   Anonymous
1832     4   w32   AMD Phenom X4 9750      2.40GHz   Gustavo Mallada
1804     2   w32   Intel Corei3-2100       3.10GHz   Vincent Lejeune
1796     2   x64   Intel Core i3 370M      2.40GHz   Mare1975
1784     1   x64   Intel Core i7 3820     @4.30GHz   Jesse Gersenson
1645     2   x64   Intel Core Duo T9300    2.50GHz   Anonymous
1583     2   x64   Intel Core i3-2370M     2.40GHz   James Logan
1551     4   w32   AMD A-Series A8-4500M   1.90GHz   Fauzi Dabat
1470     2   x64   Intel Core2Duo T-6570   2.10Ghz   Hermann Krause
1469     1   x64   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz
1463     2   w32   Intel Pentium E6300     2.80GHz   Akbaba
1414     2   x64   AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+  2.60GHz   Teddy Mackenzie
1361     2   w32   Intel Core 2 Duo E8200  2.66GHz   Anonymous
1243     2   x64   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
1213     2   x64   Intel Core 2 Duo T6600  2.20GHz   Anonymous
1188     2   w32   AMD A4-5000             1.50GHz   Mike Nicholas
1185     1   x64   Intel Core i7-2820QM    2.30GHz   Anonymous
1158     2   w32   Intel Core 2 Duo T7500  2.20GHz   Anonymous
1106     2   w32   Intel Celeron 1000M     1.80GHz   Genadi Stoyanov
1099     1   x64   Intel Core 2 QX9650     3.00GHz   Sedat Canbaz
1082     2   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-7300   2.00GHz   Vincent Lejeune
1073     1   x64   Intel Core2Duo E6600   @3.00GHz   Ernest Bonnem
1066     4   w32   Intel Atom Z3740        1.33GHz   H Tsang
1019     2   w32   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
978      2   w32   Intel Core 2 Duo P7450  2.13GHz   Anonymous
946      1   w32   Intel Corei3-2100       3.10GHz   Vincent Lejeune
930      1   x64   Intel Core i3 370M      2.40GHz   Mare1975
921      2   w32   AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-64  2.00GHz   Anonymous
905      1   x64   2x Intel Xeon L5420     2.50GHz   Adam Hair
895      1   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-5800   2.00Ghz   Guest71
817      2   w32   Intel Core Duo T2300    1.66GHz   Mitchell
806      4   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
801      2   w32   Intel Core Duo T2050    1.60GHz   Tom Logan
771      1   x64   Intel Core2Duo T-6570   2.10Ghz   Hermann Krause
738      1   w32   Intel Pentium E6300     2.80GHz   Akbaba
738      4   w32   Samsung Galaxy Note II  1.60GHz   Aser Huerga
671      3   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
667      1   x64   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
641      1   w32   Intel Core i3-2310M     2.10GHz   Felix
575      3   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
565      1   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-7300   2.00GHz   Vincent Lejeune
528      1   w32   Intel Core2Duo T-6570   2.10Ghz   Bformless
523      1   w32   AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+  2.21GHz   Vincent Lejeune
511      1   w32   AMD Athlon 64 3500+     2.20GHz   Anonymous
486      2   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
473      4   w32   Lenovo A3000 Quad Core  1.20GHz   Souvik Chakraborty
389      4   w32   LG Nexus 4 E960         1.50GHz   Andreas Paulick
364      1   w32   AMD Sempron 2800+       1.60GHz   Victor
331      1   w32   Intel Pentium 4         2.80GHz   Anonymous
251      1   w32   Samsung Galaxy S4       1.90GHz   Sedat Canbaz
224      1   w32   AMD Athlon XP 1600      1.40GHz   Anonymous
202      1   w32   Intel Atom N270         1.60GHz   Dark Wizzie
101      1   w32   Sony Xperia P           1.00GHz   Tony Soares
63       1   w32   Intel Pentium III        550MHz   Gustavo Mallada
6        1   w32   Intel Pentium II         133MHz   Gustavo Mallada
How much Elo is this on pentium II with 6000 NPS ?
If we take such a machine and reduce the speed further ?
I would like to have such a feature implemented in stockfish or any other software. To adapt a certain MHz amount of cpu speed.

E.g. cpu speed 50 and stockfish plays as fast like on a 50 MHz pentium 2.
What seems like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow.
Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....
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Uri Blass
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Re: Harware and software in chess

Post by Uri Blass »

mclane wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:24 pm In those early days programs were made selective to increase horizon.
Best programmers (e.g. Ed Schröder) were capable reaching 1950 ELO with 6502 32kb ROM 8 kB ram on 5 MHz.

Brute force made not much sense in those days.
Stockfish is clearly a selective program.
It cannot get high depths without pruning.

There are positions when at small depth it can miss simple tactics because of it.
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Vinvin
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Re: Harware and software in chess

Post by Vinvin »

Vinvin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 am
mclane wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:26 pm The idea is to measure how strong stockfish is on fossile Hardware the spracklen and others had to use.

This means same MHz, same maximum program size (32 kB) and same maximum ram size (8 kB).
Here are some relevant threads about SF on old hardware.
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 91#p688391
http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtop ... 44#p713444

Rough estimation for SF10 on a 80486/50-66 MHz (2000 nodes/second) is around 2800.
On the SSDF list, Genius 3 486/50-66 MHz is rated 2256.

I would love to see SSDF testing SF10 on a 486 CPU or even on a Pentium 90 ! /melancholia
Some relative speeds of old Intel CPUs (from i386 SX 16 MHz to Pentium III 1 GHz) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICOMP_(index)
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mehmet karaman
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Re: Harware and software in chess

Post by mehmet karaman »

The elo performance of Pocket Fritz 4 (Hiarcs 13 engine) is 2938 at Mercosur Cup.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/breakthro ... s-aires/32

The Pocket Fritz 4 (Hiarcs 13 engine) was running on the mobile phone HTC Touch HD. Hiarcs 13 searches fewer than 20,000 positions per second.

Cegt 40/20 rating list:
Stockfish 10 (1 cpu): 3422 elo
Hiarcs 13.1 (1 cpu): 2728 elo

I think SF10 on a 80486/50-66 MHz (2000 nodes/second) is ~400 elo stronger than Pocket Fritz 4 (20000 nodes/second)
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