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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by arunsoorya1309 » Fri May 31, 2019 4:19 am

Its a very nice book in my opinion

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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by pohl4711 » Fri May 31, 2019 4:50 am

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Fri May 31, 2019 4:15 am
Of course, nobody would play those moves in a game of chess. But the point is, that all chessengines and all chessGUIs can handle Drawkiller and the moves. Because they are classical chess moves (even no engine would play them on its own). And that is a huge advantage compared to any chess-variant, like Chess960 etc., which are having differences in rules or starting positions (compared to classical chess).
The primary goal of Drawkiller is, to prevent computerchess from dying the death-by-draw in the future. And for that, it is very important, that each engine and each GUI on the planet can handle Drawkiller...
And mention, that especially in the TCEC Superfinals, a lot of openings are used, which no engine would ever play on its own... so, there is no principal difference to Drawkiller-moves, which no engine would play on its own... only some humans play TCEC openings. But Drawkiller was not made for humans, but for engines.

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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by Nordlandia » Fri May 31, 2019 6:47 am

Drawkiller was used on chess.com's ccc (computer-chess-championship) as a bonus event. I suppose it can be used in tcec as a fun bonus event as well, as long as the concept is understood.

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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by Ovyron » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:10 pm

pohl4711 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 4:15 am
Of course, nobody would play those moves in a game of chess. But the point is, that all chessengines and all chessGUIs can handle Drawkiller and the moves. Because they are classical chess moves (even no engine would play them on its own). And that is a huge advantage compared to any chess-variant, like Chess960 etc., which are having differences in rules or starting positions (compared to classical chess).
The primary goal of Drawkiller is, to prevent computerchess from dying the death-by-draw in the future. And for that, it is very important, that each engine and each GUI on the planet can handle Drawkiller...
I'm comparing Drawkiller to a similar suite (that doesn't exist) that uses FENs as starting positions, regardless of if those positions can be reached from the opening position. Are there GUIs or engines that are known for not accepting FENs as starting positions? Otherwise, it'd be an improvement.

That is, the primary goal of Drawkiller could be achieved faster if the FENs I'm talking about (coming from, say, asymmetrical shuffle chess?) were researched, optimizing them for being the "least likely to draw".

Here's some likely suspects:







(0% draw rate in corr chess several years ago, but with white and black winning similar amount of games)
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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by AlexChess » Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:05 am

pohl4711 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 4:50 am
pohl4711 wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 4:15 am
Of course, nobody would play those moves in a game of chess. But the point is, that all chessengines and all chessGUIs can handle Drawkiller and the moves. Because they are classical chess moves (even no engine would play them on its own). And that is a huge advantage compared to any chess-variant, like Chess960 etc., which are having differences in rules or starting positions (compared to classical chess).
The primary goal of Drawkiller is, to prevent computerchess from dying the death-by-draw in the future. And for that, it is very important, that each engine and each GUI on the planet can handle Drawkiller...
And mention, that especially in the TCEC Superfinals, a lot of openings are used, which no engine would ever play on its own... so, there is no principal difference to Drawkiller-moves, which no engine would play on its own... only some humans play TCEC openings. But Drawkiller was not made for humans, but for engines.
Hi!
is there a link to download your latest draw-killer opening libraries in .abk and .bin format, before the restore of your page? I'm having too many draws with all the Stockfish derivates in 2021 in my blitz tournament between engines, so I think to even remove all opening books. Maybe a radical solution could be to add style configuratIon in UCI engines parameters...

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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by pohl4711 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:38 pm

AlexChess wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:05 am
Hi!
is there a link to download your latest draw-killer opening libraries in .abk and .bin format, before the restore of your page? I'm having too many draws with all the Stockfish derivates in 2021 in my blitz tournament between engines, so I think to even remove all opening books. Maybe a radical solution could be to add style configuratIon in UCI engines parameters...

Regards,
AlexChess
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-a ... e-fritz-17
Please wait for some days... The remastering of my openings (including Drawkiller!) is nearly completed and will be released very soon. And the remastered openings-sets are definitly better.
I hope, that my website will go online until the end of March, then the download of the new remastered openings will be included. Otherwise I will provide a download-link from my Google-Drive here at the beginning of April.

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Re: Drawkiller Openings Project

Post by AlexChess » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:20 pm

pohl4711 wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:38 pm
AlexChess wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:05 am
Hi!
is there a link to download your latest draw-killer opening libraries in .abk and .bin format, before the restore of your page? I'm having too many draws with all the Stockfish derivates in 2021 in my blitz tournament between engines, so I think to even remove all opening books. Maybe a radical solution could be to add style configuratIon in UCI engines parameters...

Regards,
AlexChess
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-a ... e-fritz-17
Please wait for some days... The remastering of my openings (including Drawkiller!) is nearly completed and will be released very soon. And the remastered openings-sets are definitly better.
I hope, that my website will go online until the end of March, then the download of the new remastered openings will be included. Otherwise I will provide a download-link from my Google-Drive here at the beginning of April.

Stefan (SPCC)
OK thank you! Good look for the site :)
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