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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:05 pm
by Werewolf
Steve Maughan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:29 pm
Here's my recollection of the best PC engines:
1989 Rex 2.3
1990 M-Chess 1.0
1993 Genius 3.0
1997 HIARCS / Rebel
2000 Tiger
2001 Shredder
2005 Fruit 2.3
2006 Rybka
2009 Stockfish
Steve
I'm pretty sure Mchess was 1992 and Genius 3 was 1994/5 - but worth checking.
I recall a very memorable advert in Chess magazine in 1992 (ish) which advertised MChess and then said:
"There's only one thing stronger than MChess, and that's
The Chess Machine - now 32 MHz!"
Unfortunately I could not afford it.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:35 pm
by Leo
Zappa chess was supposed to be better than Rybka. I used to hear a lot about the Cray supercomputer.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:48 pm
by WinPooh
As I remember Ruffian was on top for a short time in 2003.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:54 pm
by Dann Corbit
Leader based on SSDF ranking:
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Rating list year-end leaders Year Program Hardware Rating
1984 Novag Super Constellation 6502 4 MHz 1631
1985 Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1827
1986 Mephisto Amsterdam 68000 12 MHz 1827
1987 Mephisto Dallas 68020 14 MHz 1923
1988 Mephisto MM 4 Turbo Kit 6502 16 MHz 1993
1989 Mephisto Portorose 68020 12 MHz 2027
1990 Mephisto Portorose 68030 36 MHz 2138
1991 Mephisto Vancouver 68030 36 MHz 2127
1992 Chess Machine Schröder 3.0 ARM2 30 MHz 2174
1993 Mephisto Genius 2.0 486/50-66 MHz 2235
1995 MChess Pro 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2306
1996 Rebel 8.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2337
1997 HIARCS 6.0 49MB P200 MMX 2418
1998 Fritz 5.0 PB29% 67MB P200 MMX 2460
1999 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2594
2000 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2607
2001 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2709
2002 Deep Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2759
2003 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2791
2004 Shredder 8.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2800
2005 Shredder 9.0 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2808
2006 Rybka 1.2 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2902
2007 Rybka 2.3.1 Arena 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2935
2008 Deep Rybka 3 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3238
2009 Deep Rybka 3 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3232
2010 Deep Rybka 3 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3227
2011 Deep Rybka 4 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3216
2012 Deep Rybka 4 x64 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3221
2013 Komodo 5.1 MP x64 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3241
2014 Komodo 7.0 MP x64 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3295
2015 Stockfish 6 MP x64 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3334
2016 Komodo 9.1 MP x64 2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 3366
2017 Komodo 11.01 MP x64 16GB 1800X 3.6 GHz 3406
Current SSDF leader:
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1 Stockfish 9 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz 3502 38 -35 482 76% 3302
The WMCCC has a championship list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Com ... ampionship
But for recent history, it is clearly TCEC which lays down the law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chess ... ampionship
I do not know if there is a historical championship list for CCRL or CEGT, but that would be extremely useful to know which engine is strongest, historically.
Far better even than TCEC.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:11 pm
by peter
Hi Uri!
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:34 pm
IPPOLIT, released on May 2, 2009
RobboLito released in September 2009
Igorrit released in January 2010
IvanHoe released in January 2010
I am not sure if part of them or all of them were the top chess engines before houdini(I remember in the beginning claims that the ippolit is good at short time control but have problems at longer time control because of bugs)
Houdini1.0 is from may 2010 and I am not sure if it became the best engine before Houdini1.5
that is from December 15, 2010 or
houdini1.5a from January 15, 2011
Thanks for remembering.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:13 pm
by yurikvelo
1956-1958 MANIAC I - Tube supercomputer: Could play by rules, in rare ocassion could win newbie
1966 Mac Hack - "Multi-Level Access Computer" or "Machine-Aided Cognition" - transistor supercomputer PDP-6 by DEC company: participate in tournament against humans, won newbie, assigned Elo=1243
1966 Mac Hack VI: won human player with 1510 Elo in tournament
1976 Chess x.x - CPU IC supercomputer by Control Data Corporation CDC Cyber: won tournament, assigned elo=1722
1977 Chess 4.6: first win against 2000+, assigned elo = 2040
1981 Cray Blitz supercomputer, first win against master (elo=2262) in tournament. assigned elo=2258
1988 HiTech supercomputer: first win against IM (2845) in tournament. assigned elo=2300+
1989 Deep Thought, IBM supercomputer, first win against GM (Bent Larsen), in tournament. assigned elo=2745
1990 HiTech supercomputer. First time in a 5 years of tournament "Human vs machines" machine won a game
1994 Chess Genius, first win against wolrd champion (Kasparov) in a blitz, elo=2795. First serious success on a home computer (Intel Pentium)
1995 HIARCS, supercomputer. First time in a 10 years of tournament "Human vs machines" machine won a tournament
1996 Deep Blue, dedicated (FPGA) IBM supercomputer - first game win over world champion (Kasparov)
1997 Deep Blue, dedicated (FPGA) IBM supercomputer - defeated world champion (Kasparov) in 6 game match
1998 Rebel - win over vice-champion in a 6 game match (Anand) using Intel Pentium PC
2004 Fritz 8, and Deep Junior on dedicated chess processor Hydra - win tournament against team of FIDE former world champions
2006 Rebel - win over world champion (Kramnik) in a 6 game match using Intel Pentium PC
2009 - Hiarcs and Pocket Fritz win a tournament using single core ARM processor @ 500 MHz (20 000 nodes/second)
2000-2005: Shredder, Fritz era
December 2005 - February 2011 - Rybka total domination
2011-2018 - Houdini/Komodo/Stockfish era
1997-2013 - Junior domination in Special Olympics (ICGA WC)
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:28 pm
by JVMerlino
jpqy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:09 pm
To fill up Steve list a little more..
08-02-1997 Rebel 8.0
09-03-1997 Rebel 8.0
06-05-1997 Hiarcs 6.0
04-09-1997 Hiarcs 6.0
22-02-1998 Fritz 5.0
13-09-1998 Fritz 5.0
28-01-1999 Hiarcs 7.0
28-03-1999 Chessmaster 6000
JP.
Yes, I knew The King was in there somewhere during the mid to late 90's.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:05 am
by Steve Maughan
Werewolf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:05 pm
I'm pretty sure Mchess was 1992 and Genius 3 was 1994/5 - but worth checking.
I recall a very memorable advert in Chess magazine in 1992 (ish) which advertised MChess and then said:
"There's only one thing stronger than MChess, and that's
The Chess Machine - now 32 MHz!"
Unfortunately I could not afford it.
It was 1991 at the latest. Here's my review of M-Chess 1.0 in the August 1991 edition of Selective Search:
http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/SS_35.pdf
Happy times!
Steve
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:22 am
by Milos
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:34 pm
zullil wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:04 pm
JohnW wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:57 pm
Just curious if anyone happens to know..
Rybka comes to mind.
After Rybka comes to mind ippolit that there are claims that they were illegal and I did not use them.
looking at wikipedia for ippolit I find
IPPOLIT, released on May 2, 2009
RobboLito released in September 2009
Igorrit released in January 2010
IvanHoe released in January 2010
I am not sure if part of them or all of them were the top chess engines before houdini(I remember in the beginning claims that the ippolit is good at short time control but have problems at longer time control because of bugs)
Houdini1.0 is from may 2010 and I am not sure if it became the best engine before Houdini1.5
that is from December 15, 2010 or
houdini1.5a from January 15, 2011
That is correct Uri.
Ippolit, Robbolito and Ivanhoe were the strongest from May 2009 to May 2010 when Rybka 4 appeared. Then it was neck and neck between Ivanhoe and Rybka 4 till Houdini 1.5 appeared in on December 15, 2010.
Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:29 am
by Eelco de Groot
yurikvelo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:13 pm
1956-1958 MANIAC I - Tube supercomputer: Could play by rules, in rare ocassion could win newbie
1966 Mac Hack - "Multi-Level Access Computer" or "Machine-Aided Cognition" - transistor supercomputer PDP-6 by DEC company: participate in tournament against humans, won newbie, assigned Elo=1243
1966 Mac Hack VI: won human player with 1510 Elo in tournament
A nice list for sure, but where is
Kaissa and where is Sargon from Dan and Kathe Spracklen (1978 Winner of the West Coast Computer Fair)? Both were probably stronger in their time than all other programs in their class although for Sargon it is not sure it was the strongest microprocessor program. It only ran on the Z80 microprocessor of course which by that time I think was just about 1 MHz. The CDC 7600 (Chess 4.6,
although Chess 4.6 maybe ran in 1977 already on a CDC 176 which was a successor to the CDC 6600 and 7600) was many thousands of dollars worth of equipment, I remember seeing the CDC 7600 -or CDC 176, could be they already had that in Groningen as well- in Groningen in het Rekencentrum there in, I think, 1980, it was a very impressive sight.
Kaissa was a World Champion
finishing in front of Chess 4.0 in Stockholm 1974
1976 Chess x.x - CPU IC supercomputer by Control Data Corporation CDC Cyber: won tournament, assigned elo=1722
1977 Chess 4.6: first win against 2000+, assigned elo = 2040)
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