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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by Werewolf » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:05 pm

Steve Maughan wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:29 pm
Here's my recollection of the best PC engines:

1989 Rex 2.3
1990 M-Chess 1.0
1993 Genius 3.0
1997 HIARCS / Rebel
2000 Tiger
2001 Shredder
2005 Fruit 2.3
2006 Rybka
2009 Stockfish

Steve
I'm pretty sure Mchess was 1992 and Genius 3 was 1994/5 - but worth checking.

I recall a very memorable advert in Chess magazine in 1992 (ish) which advertised MChess and then said:

"There's only one thing stronger than MChess, and that's The Chess Machine - now 32 MHz!"

Unfortunately I could not afford it.

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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by Leo » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:35 pm

Zappa chess was supposed to be better than Rybka. I used to hear a lot about the Cray supercomputer.
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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by WinPooh » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:48 pm

As I remember Ruffian was on top for a short time in 2003.

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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by Dann Corbit » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:54 pm

Leader based on SSDF ranking:

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Rating list year-end leaders Year 	Program 	Hardware 	Rating
1984 	Novag Super Constellation 	6502 4 MHz 	1631
1985 	Mephisto Amsterdam 	68000 12 MHz 	1827
1986 	Mephisto Amsterdam 	68000 12 MHz 	1827
1987 	Mephisto Dallas 	68020 14 MHz 	1923
1988 	Mephisto MM 4 Turbo Kit 	6502 16 MHz 	1993
1989 	Mephisto Portorose 	68020 12 MHz 	2027
1990 	Mephisto Portorose 	68030 36 MHz 	2138
1991 	Mephisto Vancouver 	68030 36 MHz 	2127
1992 	Chess Machine Schröder 3.0 	ARM2 30 MHz 	2174
1993 	Mephisto Genius 2.0 	486/50-66 MHz 	2235
1995 	MChess Pro 5.0 	Pentium 90 MHz 	2306
1996 	Rebel 8.0 	Pentium 90 MHz 	2337
1997 	HIARCS 6.0 	49MB P200 MMX 	2418
1998 	Fritz 5.0 PB29% 	67MB P200 MMX 	2460
1999 	Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 	128MB K6-2 450 MHz 	2594
2000 	Fritz 6.0 	128MB K6-2 450 MHz 	2607
2001 	Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 	256MB Athlon 1200 	2709
2002 	Deep Fritz 7.0 	256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 	2759
2003 	Shredder 7.04 UCI 	256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 	2791
2004 	Shredder 8.0 CB 	256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 	2800
2005 	Shredder 9.0 UCI 	256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 	2808
2006 	Rybka 1.2 	256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 	2902
2007 	Rybka 2.3.1 Arena 	256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 	2935
2008 	Deep Rybka 3 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3238
2009 	Deep Rybka 3 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3232
2010 	Deep Rybka 3 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3227
2011 	Deep Rybka 4 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3216
2012 	Deep Rybka 4 x64 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3221
2013 	Komodo 5.1 MP x64 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3241
2014 	Komodo 7.0 MP x64 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3295
2015 	Stockfish 6 MP x64 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3334
2016 	Komodo 9.1 MP x64 	2GB Q6600 2.4 GHz 	3366
2017 	Komodo 11.01 MP x64 	16GB 1800X 3.6 GHz 	3406 
Current SSDF leader:

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1	Stockfish 9 x64 1800X 3.6 GHz 	3502	38	-35	482	76%	3302
The WMCCC has a championship list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Com ... ampionship

But for recent history, it is clearly TCEC which lays down the law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chess ... ampionship

I do not know if there is a historical championship list for CCRL or CEGT, but that would be extremely useful to know which engine is strongest, historically.
Far better even than TCEC.
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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by peter » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:11 pm

Hi Uri!
Uri Blass wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:34 pm
IPPOLIT, released on May 2, 2009
RobboLito released in September 2009
Igorrit released in January 2010
IvanHoe released in January 2010


I am not sure if part of them or all of them were the top chess engines before houdini(I remember in the beginning claims that the ippolit is good at short time control but have problems at longer time control because of bugs)

Houdini1.0 is from may 2010 and I am not sure if it became the best engine before Houdini1.5
that is from December 15, 2010 or
houdini1.5a from January 15, 2011
Thanks for remembering.
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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by yurikvelo » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:13 pm

1956-1958 MANIAC I - Tube supercomputer: Could play by rules, in rare ocassion could win newbie

1966 Mac Hack - "Multi-Level Access Computer" or "Machine-Aided Cognition" - transistor supercomputer PDP-6 by DEC company: participate in tournament against humans, won newbie, assigned Elo=1243

1966 Mac Hack VI: won human player with 1510 Elo in tournament

1976 Chess x.x - CPU IC supercomputer by Control Data Corporation CDC Cyber: won tournament, assigned elo=1722

1977 Chess 4.6: first win against 2000+, assigned elo = 2040
1981 Cray Blitz supercomputer, first win against master (elo=2262) in tournament. assigned elo=2258

1988 HiTech supercomputer: first win against IM (2845) in tournament. assigned elo=2300+

1989 Deep Thought, IBM supercomputer, first win against GM (Bent Larsen), in tournament. assigned elo=2745

1990 HiTech supercomputer. First time in a 5 years of tournament "Human vs machines" machine won a game

1994 Chess Genius, first win against wolrd champion (Kasparov) in a blitz, elo=2795. First serious success on a home computer (Intel Pentium)

1995 HIARCS, supercomputer. First time in a 10 years of tournament "Human vs machines" machine won a tournament

1996 Deep Blue, dedicated (FPGA) IBM supercomputer - first game win over world champion (Kasparov)

1997 Deep Blue, dedicated (FPGA) IBM supercomputer - defeated world champion (Kasparov) in 6 game match

1998 Rebel - win over vice-champion in a 6 game match (Anand) using Intel Pentium PC

2004 Fritz 8, and Deep Junior on dedicated chess processor Hydra - win tournament against team of FIDE former world champions

2006 Rebel - win over world champion (Kramnik) in a 6 game match using Intel Pentium PC

2009 - Hiarcs and Pocket Fritz win a tournament using single core ARM processor @ 500 MHz (20 000 nodes/second)

2000-2005: Shredder, Fritz era
December 2005 - February 2011 - Rybka total domination

2011-2018 - Houdini/Komodo/Stockfish era

1997-2013 - Junior domination in Special Olympics (ICGA WC)

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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by JVMerlino » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:28 pm

jpqy wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:09 pm
To fill up Steve list a little more..

08-02-1997 Rebel 8.0
09-03-1997 Rebel 8.0
06-05-1997 Hiarcs 6.0
04-09-1997 Hiarcs 6.0
22-02-1998 Fritz 5.0
13-09-1998 Fritz 5.0
28-01-1999 Hiarcs 7.0
28-03-1999 Chessmaster 6000

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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by Steve Maughan » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:05 pm

Werewolf wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:05 pm
I'm pretty sure Mchess was 1992 and Genius 3 was 1994/5 - but worth checking.

I recall a very memorable advert in Chess magazine in 1992 (ish) which advertised MChess and then said:

"There's only one thing stronger than MChess, and that's The Chess Machine - now 32 MHz!"

Unfortunately I could not afford it.
It was 1991 at the latest. Here's my review of M-Chess 1.0 in the August 1991 edition of Selective Search:

http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/SS_35.pdf

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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by Milos » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:22 pm

Uri Blass wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:34 pm
zullil wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:04 pm
JohnW wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:57 pm
Just curious if anyone happens to know..
Rybka comes to mind.
After Rybka comes to mind ippolit that there are claims that they were illegal and I did not use them.

looking at wikipedia for ippolit I find

IPPOLIT, released on May 2, 2009
RobboLito released in September 2009
Igorrit released in January 2010
IvanHoe released in January 2010


I am not sure if part of them or all of them were the top chess engines before houdini(I remember in the beginning claims that the ippolit is good at short time control but have problems at longer time control because of bugs)

Houdini1.0 is from may 2010 and I am not sure if it became the best engine before Houdini1.5
that is from December 15, 2010 or
houdini1.5a from January 15, 2011
That is correct Uri.
Ippolit, Robbolito and Ivanhoe were the strongest from May 2009 to May 2010 when Rybka 4 appeared. Then it was neck and neck between Ivanhoe and Rybka 4 till Houdini 1.5 appeared in on December 15, 2010.

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Re: What was the top Chess engine before it was Stockfish, Komodo or Houdini?

Post by Eelco de Groot » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:29 pm

yurikvelo wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:13 pm
1956-1958 MANIAC I - Tube supercomputer: Could play by rules, in rare ocassion could win newbie

1966 Mac Hack - "Multi-Level Access Computer" or "Machine-Aided Cognition" - transistor supercomputer PDP-6 by DEC company: participate in tournament against humans, won newbie, assigned Elo=1243

1966 Mac Hack VI: won human player with 1510 Elo in tournament
A nice list for sure, but where is Kaissa and where is Sargon from Dan and Kathe Spracklen (1978 Winner of the West Coast Computer Fair)? Both were probably stronger in their time than all other programs in their class although for Sargon it is not sure it was the strongest microprocessor program. It only ran on the Z80 microprocessor of course which by that time I think was just about 1 MHz. The CDC 7600 (Chess 4.6, although Chess 4.6 maybe ran in 1977 already on a CDC 176 which was a successor to the CDC 6600 and 7600) was many thousands of dollars worth of equipment, I remember seeing the CDC 7600 -or CDC 176, could be they already had that in Groningen as well- in Groningen in het Rekencentrum there in, I think, 1980, it was a very impressive sight.
Kaissa was a World Champion finishing in front of Chess 4.0 in Stockholm 1974
1976 Chess x.x - CPU IC supercomputer by Control Data Corporation CDC Cyber: won tournament, assigned elo=1722

1977 Chess 4.6: first win against 2000+, assigned elo = 2040)
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