jkiliani wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:59 pm
CMCanavessi wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:35 pm
I think this move may backfire and will hurt TCEC more than it will do good. People are not stupid and want diversity, not 32 clones of SF. Deus X will use lc0 with a custom net. Shouldn't be allowed imho.
I agree, it seems rather difficult to me to justify allowing Deus X while not letting developers of other strong engines enter clones with changed parameters under a new name. Let's see how TCEC spins this once the complaints to this move start coming in...
For Season 13, it seems the decision is made, but for the season after this they'll have to come up with a new set of rules and follow it consistently.
I don't understand the motive here at all. It just seems so forced. We have the first season of TCEC where Leela is going to be on a real, mature net, powered by what I would say is a pretty good GPU setup. Leela's debut last season was just a little sneak peak. This time around Leela is going to thrash d4->d1 without issue. Why are we taking away the spotlight for a clone?
Albert gets this 25 minute interview with TCEC, the release of the engine is kept secret and rumored, people start to think some corporate entity is on its way in, others suggest people like Robert Houdart, ..., and when the news finally drops .... its just one guy who fed Leela's training code with different (already played) games.
I don't have anything against the guy personally, I only learned his name a few days ago. But his engine really has no business competing in TCEC. At least not while it is (so similar to) Leela.
TCEC has been forcing this NN GPU thing extremely hard, even delaying the season for (a month now?) just to get it to work. But this bit is too far for me.
Furthermore, were I the creater of Leela, or if someone submitted an Ethereal version trained on Stockfish games instead of the Laser games I use, I would be disgusted.