AlphaZer0 versus Grand-Father 1/2-1/2, April 10th 2018

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IS IT IMPORTANT THE CLOCK IN THE CHESS?

Post by Father »

TIME IS GOLD

Is time and clock really important in chess? The time in chess as well as the time in life is of the utmost importance. We have a time to live, we have a time to play the whole game.

Time is so important that once time has run out, there are no more opportunities.

The importance of time reminds me of a question that my Father asked me when I was an infant. He asked me: Paul, once you die, is it better to be close to salvation, or to be close to condemnation? I answered him sometimes like lightning said I : Dad is better almost saved! He answered me, are you sure? Then I took my time in thinking, and understanding that the right thing to do is to be close to condemnation because, salvation is achieved, I answered him correctly.

In this game I wonder ... Was the machine close to victory? The answer is yes, but the machine lost. Why did the machine lose the the game ? The machine lost because it ran out of time.

I offer this departure and example for the soul of my beloved Father.


asmFishW_2018-02-02_base (4 cores): 26.9 plies; 1.990kN/s AMD A6-7310 APU with AMD Radeon R4 Graphics 1996MHz

[pgn][Event "Rated game, 5 min"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2018.04.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Capaeuwekhine"]
[Black "Grand-father"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A84"]
[WhiteElo "2219"]
[BlackElo "2005"]
[PlyCount "186"]
[EventDate "2018.04.11"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. Nf3 {0} d5 {2} 2. d4 {0} e6 {2} 3. c4 {0} c6 {1} 4. e3 {0} f5 {1} 5. Bd3 {0}
Nf6 {1} 6. O-O {0} Bd6 {0} 7. b3 {0} O-O {1} 8. Bb2 {25} Re8 {3} 9. Nc3 {17} g6
{5} 10. Ne2 {10} a6 {2} 11. Nf4 {11} Nbd7 {18} 12. Rc1 {0} Nf8 {1} 13. g3 {10}
Re7 {2} 14. Re1 {10} Rg7 {2} 15. h4 {15} h5 {3} 16. a4 {8} Bd7 {4} 17. Kg2 {4}
Qb8 {2} 18. Rc2 {11} Be8 {2} 19. Qa1 {6} Ra7 {2} 20. Ba3 {15} Qd8 {8} 21. a5 {
20} Ra8 {3} 22. Bxd6 {3} Qxd6 {4} 23. c5 {5} Qe7 {4} 24. b4 {0} Kh8 {5} 25. Be2
{15} Kg8 {2} 26. Rcc1 {4} Qc7 {2} 27. Qb2 {9} Rb8 {1} 28. Ne5 {5} Ra8 {6} 29.
Rh1 {14} N6d7 {5} 30. Nh3 {5} Nxe5 {3} 31. dxe5 {4} Nd7 {0} 32. f4 {2} Nf8 {0}
33. Ng5 {1} Bd7 {3} 34. Rhd1 {3} Bc8 {2} 35. Bd3 {4} Bd7 {1} 36. Rc2 {0} Be8 {1
} 37. Rh1 {2} Rd8 {2} 38. Rd2 {1} Rdd7 {2} 39. Qc2 {1} Rde7 {1} 40. Rhd1 {2}
Qc8 {0} 41. Kg1 {3} Qc7 {1} 42. Rh2 {1} Qc8 {1} 43. Qb2 {2} Nh7 {4} 44. Nf3 {2}
Nf8 {1} 45. Ng5 {0} Nh7 {4} 46. Nf3 {1} Nf8 {1} 47. Rhd2 {0} Kh8 {3} 48. Ng5 {1
} Nh7 {2} 49. Nf3 {2} Nf8 {2} 50. Rf2 {0} Kg8 {2} 51. Ng5 {0} Nh7 {1} 52. Nf3 {
0} Nf8 {1} 53. Nd4 {0} Kh7 {2} 54. Bf1 {1} Kg8 {3} 55. Rfd2 {1} Ref7 {2} 56.
Kh2 {1} Kh7 {1} 57. Bg2 {1} Kg8 {1} 58. Rb1 {0} Kh7 {1} 59. Rf2 {1} Kg8 {2} 60.
Rd2 {0} Kh7 {1} 61. Nf3 {2} Kg8 {1} 62. Ng5 {3} Re7 {1} 63. Re1 {1} Nh7 {1} 64.
Nf3 {2} Nf8 {1} 65. Kg1 {2} Bf7 {2} 66. Red1 {7} Qc7 {1} 67. Bf1 {2} Qc8 {1}
68. Rf2 {1} Rc7 {1} 69. Ng5 {2} Nh7 {3} 70. Nf3 {1} Nf8 {1} 71. Nd4 {1} Kh7 {2}
72. Rc2 {4} Kg8 {1} 73. Bd3 {3} Be8 {2} 74. Rcd2 {2} Kh7 {1} 75. Nf3 {1} Kh8 {2
} 76. Bc2 {1} Kg8 {1} 77. Ng5 {1} Nh7 {3} 78. Bd3 {0} Nf8 {3} 79. e4 {1} Bf7 {4
} 80. Be2 {1} Rh7 {4} 81. Nxh7 {0} Kxh7 {0} 82. Bd3 {0} Kg7 {2} 83. exf5 {0}
exf5 {1} 84. e6+ {0} Kg8 {2} 85. exf7+ {0} Rxf7 {1} 86. Re1 {0} Qd7 {1} 87.
Rde2 {0} Kh7 {9} 88. Qd4 {0} Kh6 {3} 89. Qh8+ {0} Nh7 {3} 90. Re6 {0} Rf8 {4}
91. Bxf5 {0} Qg7 {5} 92. Qxg7+ {0} Kxg7 {2} 93. Rxg6+ {0} Kf7 {3} 0-1

[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: AlphaZer0 versus Grand-Father 1/2-1/2, April 10th 2018

Post by Karlo Bala »

I do not like games Pablo is posting, but he shows that some engines are really really stupid. Just grab the space until everything is closed. Stupid.
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Karlo Balla Jr.
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Re: AlphaZer0 versus Grand-Father 1/2-1/2, April 10th 2018

Post by glennsamuel32 »

Cfish 110418 64 BMI2 NUMA (40 threads): 31.3 plies; 39.993kN/s Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v4 @ 2.40GHz 2394MHz, (20 cores, 40 threads)

Hats off to you Pablo...
You made a fool of a 20 core server !!

Can you play a few with Lczero ?
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Where can I play against it (Lzcero) Glenn?How must I play?

Post by Father »

Glenn: Sure. I would like to play 10 games against Lzcero. Probably this week I wil.

Where can I play against it (Lzcero) Glenn ? How must I play(level), and how can I to put (save) these games here into foro with motion?

Thanks in advance Glenn.

Best regards,

Pablo :idea: :idea:
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Where can I play against it (Lzcero) Glenn?How must I pl

Post by glennsamuel32 »

You can play here...

http://play.lczero.org/

Select Hard under "Choose a mode" to make Lczero stronger :)

You can then copy the moves on the left pane...

When posting the game here, do what you did for your other posts...

Good luck !!
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Anti LCzero & Alph azero algorithm human being parameter

Post by Father »

Move History

White: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Black:LCzero


I leave to consideration of the forum and the specialists in artificial intelligence an elementary philosophical theorem.
"If you want to beat the artificial intelligence that learns from itself, teach the computer the error under the guise of victory, and then take the path of the computer in the way that you taught, and lead to the network of their own defeat. "

Unlike humans, computers lack the ability to distinguish between good and evil

April 13Th
1. d4 Nf6
2. e3 e6
3. c3 d5
4. f4 c5
5. Nf3 Bd6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. O-O h6
8. Qe2 a6
9. Re1 Qc7
10. g3 Be7
11. a3 b5
12. Qc2 Bb7
13. Rf1 Rd8
14. Re1 g5
15. Rf1 g4
16. Nh4 Ne4
17. Bd2 Bxh4
18. gxh4 c4
19. Bxe4 dxe4
20. Be1 Ne7
21. Bg3 Nf5
22. Qe2 a5
23. Rc1 a4
24. Rc2 Qc6
25. Nd2 Rd7
26. Nf1 h5
27. Rcc1 f6
28. Rc2 O-O
29. Rd1 Rdd8
30. Rcd2 Rd7
31. Qe1 Kf7
32. Qe2 Kg7
33. Qe1 Kf7
34. Qe2 Ke8
35. Qe1 Ne7
36. Qe2 Kf7
37. Qe1 Kg8
38. Qe2 Kh7
39. Qe1 Rfd8
40. Qe2 Rf8
41. Qe1 Nf5
42. Qe2 Rg8
43. Qe1 Rgg7
44. Qe2 Qc7
45. Qe1 Qd8
46. Qe2 Bc6
47. Qe1 Qe8
48. Qe2 Rb7
49. Qe1 Qg6
50. Qe2 Rb8
51. Qe1 Rgg8
52. Qe2 Rb7
53. Qe1 Rgg7
54. Qe2 Qh6
55. Qe1 Bd5
56. Qe2 Qg6
57. Qe1 Ra7
58. Qe2 Ra8
59. Qe1 Rb8
60. Qe2 Rgb7
61. Qe1 Ra7
62. Qe2 Rg8
63. Qe1 Qg7
64. Qe2 Qg6
65. Qe1 Rb7
66. Qe2 Rc8
67. Qe1 Rcc7
68. Rc2 Rc8
69. Qe2 Qg7
70. Qe1 Rcb8
71. Qe2 Qg6
72. Qe1 Rg8
73. Qe2 Rc8
74. Qe1 Rcb8
75. Qe2 Kg7
76. Qe1 Qf7
77. Qe2 Nxg3
78. hxg3 Qg6
79. Qe1 Qf7
80. Qe2 Qg6
81. Qe1 Kf7
82. Qe2 Kg8
83. Qe1 Kh7
84. Qe2 Kg8
85. Qe1 Kh7
86. Qe2 Rg8
87. Qe1 Kg7
88. Qe2 Qf7
89. Qg2 Kh7
90. Kh2 Qg6
91. Kg1 Qf7
92. Nd2 Qg6
93. Kh2 f5
94. Nf1 Ra7
95. Rdc1 Kg7
96. Nd2 Rb8
97. Nb1 Rab7
98. Qf2 Qf7
99. Qe2 Qe7
100. Qe1 Kg6
101. Qe2 Kg7
102. Qe1 Qd7
103. Qe2 Qc7
104. Qe1 Qc6
105. Qe2 Kg6
106. Qf2 Kg7
107. Qf1 Re8
108. Qf2 Reb8
109. Qf1 Kg8
110. Qf2 Kh7
111. Qf1 Kg7
112. Qf2 Kg6
113. Qf1 Rg8
114. Qf2 Kg7
115. Qf1 Rf8
116. Qf2 Kg6
117. Qf1 Rh8
118. Qf2 Kg7
119. Qf1 Kg6
120. Qf2 Ra8
121. Qf1 Kg7
122. Qf2 Kg6
123. Qf1 Rg7
124. Qf2 Rb8
125. Qf1 Qb7
126. Qf2 Kh7
127. Qf1 Rbg8
128. Qf2 Ra8
129. Qf1 Kg6
130. Qf2 Rb8
131. Qf1 Rc8
132. Qf2 Rb8
133. Qf1 Rgg8
134. Qf2 Kh7
135. Qf1 Rg7
136. Qf2 Rbg8
137. Qf1 Kg6
138. Qf2 Kh7
139. Qf1 Rd8
140. Qf2 Rb8
141. Qf1 Ra8
142. Qf2 Kg6
143. Qf1 Kh7
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Anti LCzero & Alph azero algorithm human being param

Post by glennsamuel32 »

[pgn]1. d4 Nf6
2. e3 e6
3. c3 d5
4. f4 c5
5. Nf3 Bd6
6. Bd3 Nc6
7. O-O h6
8. Qe2 a6
9. Re1 Qc7
10. g3 Be7
11. a3 b5
12. Qc2 Bb7
13. Rf1 Rd8
14. Re1 g5
15. Rf1 g4
16. Nh4 Ne4
17. Bd2 Bxh4
18. gxh4 c4
19. Bxe4 dxe4
20. Be1 Ne7
21. Bg3 Nf5
22. Qe2 a5
23. Rc1 a4
24. Rc2 Qc6
25. Nd2 Rd7
26. Nf1 h5
27. Rcc1 f6
28. Rc2 O-O
29. Rd1 Rdd8
30. Rcd2 Rd7
31. Qe1 Kf7
32. Qe2 Kg7
33. Qe1 Kf7
34. Qe2 Ke8
35. Qe1 Ne7
36. Qe2 Kf7
37. Qe1 Kg8
38. Qe2 Kh7
39. Qe1 Rfd8
40. Qe2 Rf8
41. Qe1 Nf5
42. Qe2 Rg8
43. Qe1 Rgg7
44. Qe2 Qc7
45. Qe1 Qd8
46. Qe2 Bc6
47. Qe1 Qe8
48. Qe2 Rb7
49. Qe1 Qg6
50. Qe2 Rb8
51. Qe1 Rgg8
52. Qe2 Rb7
53. Qe1 Rgg7
54. Qe2 Qh6
55. Qe1 Bd5
56. Qe2 Qg6
57. Qe1 Ra7
58. Qe2 Ra8
59. Qe1 Rb8
60. Qe2 Rgb7
61. Qe1 Ra7
62. Qe2 Rg8
63. Qe1 Qg7
64. Qe2 Qg6
65. Qe1 Rb7
66. Qe2 Rc8
67. Qe1 Rcc7
68. Rc2 Rc8
69. Qe2 Qg7
70. Qe1 Rcb8
71. Qe2 Qg6
72. Qe1 Rg8
73. Qe2 Rc8
74. Qe1 Rcb8
75. Qe2 Kg7
76. Qe1 Qf7
77. Qe2 Nxg3
78. hxg3 Qg6
79. Qe1 Qf7
80. Qe2 Qg6
81. Qe1 Kf7
82. Qe2 Kg8
83. Qe1 Kh7
84. Qe2 Kg8
85. Qe1 Kh7
86. Qe2 Rg8
87. Qe1 Kg7
88. Qe2 Qf7
89. Qg2 Kh7
90. Kh2 Qg6
91. Kg1 Qf7
92. Nd2 Qg6
93. Kh2 f5
94. Nf1 Ra7
95. Rdc1 Kg7
96. Nd2 Rb8
97. Nb1 Rab7
98. Qf2 Qf7
99. Qe2 Qe7
100. Qe1 Kg6
101. Qe2 Kg7
102. Qe1 Qd7
103. Qe2 Qc7
104. Qe1 Qc6
105. Qe2 Kg6
106. Qf2 Kg7
107. Qf1 Re8
108. Qf2 Reb8
109. Qf1 Kg8
110. Qf2 Kh7
111. Qf1 Kg7
112. Qf2 Kg6
113. Qf1 Rg8
114. Qf2 Kg7
115. Qf1 Rf8
116. Qf2 Kg6
117. Qf1 Rh8
118. Qf2 Kg7
119. Qf1 Kg6
120. Qf2 Ra8
121. Qf1 Kg7
122. Qf2 Kg6
123. Qf1 Rg7
124. Qf2 Rb8
125. Qf1 Qb7
126. Qf2 Kh7
127. Qf1 Rbg8
128. Qf2 Ra8
129. Qf1 Kg6
130. Qf2 Rb8
131. Qf1 Rc8
132. Qf2 Rb8
133. Qf1 Rgg8
134. Qf2 Kh7
135. Qf1 Rg7
136. Qf2 Rbg8
137. Qf1 Kg6
138. Qf2 Kh7
139. Qf1 Rd8
140. Qf2 Rb8
141. Qf1 Ra8
142. Qf2 Kg6
143. Qf1 Kh7[/pgn]
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Re: Anti LCzero & Alph azero algorithm human being param

Post by glennsamuel32 »

Well done !!
Pablo, remember that lczero is still in it's training stage.
Maybe after 2 months, it will become a different beast :)
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LCzero is a chess program with a special artificial intelli

Post by Father »

April 13Th 2018

Glenn:

LCzero is a chess program with a special artificial intelligence. LCzero learns from each game played against the human. Initially I could easily catch LCzero while playing with the white pieces. Every time I play against LCzero I find it more difficult to trap and block LCzero through my anti-chess system. I sincerely wish to congratulate the creators of LCzero. I wish you the best with the silicon monster. I promise to be a constant opponent of LCzero.

Best regards,

Pablo
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: LCzero is a chess program with a special artificial inte

Post by main line »

I have won Leelita with my brain only :lol:

[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.04.14"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dar Mar"]
[Black "LCZero"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C13"]
[PlyCount "171"]
[SourceDate "2018.04.14"]
[SourceVersionDate "2018.04.14"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Nxf6+ Bxf6 7. Bxf6 Qxf6
8. Nf3 b6 9. Ne5 a6 10. Be2 Nd7 11. Nxd7 Bxd7 12. Bf3 Rd8 13. O-O Bb5 14. Re1
Rxd4 15. Qc1 Rf4 16. b3 Rxf3 17. gxf3 Qxf3 18. Qe3 Qb7 19. c4 Bc6 20. b4 O-O
21. a4 Bf3 22. Ra3 Bc6 23. b5 axb5 24. axb5 g6 25. bxc6 Qxc6 26. Qf4 Qd6 27.
Qxd6 cxd6 28. Rd1 Rc8 29. Ra4 Rc6 30. Rb4 Kg7 31. Rdb1 Kf6 32. Rxb6 Rxc4 33.
Rxd6 Rg4+ 34. Kf1 Kg7 35. Rb7 Re4 36. Kg2 Rg4+ 37. Kf3 Rg5 38. h4 Rf5+ 39. Kg3
g5 40. hxg5 Rxg5+ 41. Kf3 Rf5+ 42. Ke3 Re5+ 43. Kd2 h5 44. Rdd7 Rf5 45. Ke2 h4
46. Kf1 Kg6 47. Kg2 Rg5+ 48. Kh3 Rf5 49. Rd2 Rf3+ 50. Kg4 Rf5 51. Kxh4 f6 52.
Kg3 Rg5+ 53. Kf3 Rf5+ 54. Ke2 Re5+ 55. Kf1 Rc5 56. Rb3 Rc7 57. Rg3+ Kf5 58. Re2
e5 59. Kg2 Rc4 60. Kh3 Rf4 61. f3 Ke6 62. Re4 Kf5 63. Rxf4+ Kxf4 64. Kg2 f5 65.
Kf2 e4 66. fxe4 fxe4 67. Re3 Ke5 68. Kg3 Kf5 69. Rc3 Ke5 70. Rb3 Kd4 71. Kf4
Kd5 72. Re3 Kd4 73. Rxe4+ Kd5 74. Kf5 Kd6 75. Re5 Kd7 76. Re6 Kc7 77. Rh6 Kb7
78. Ke5 Ka7 79. Kd5 Kb7 80. Kc5 Kc7 81. Rh7+ Kd8 82. Kd6 Kc8 83. Rg7 Kb8 84.
Kc6 Ka8 85. Kb6 Kb8 86. Rg8# 1-0[/pgn]

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