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A blast from the past...

Post by MikeB » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:21 am

This is from Sean Mintz's website where he , on his own, elected to archive the talk chess.com posts before the forum server software was updated.

https://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.php

I thank Sean for that unselfish endeavor.

Now the position in question:

https://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.php?id=424110

[d]rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17

Uri Blass, not surprisingly, as Uri is one the top chess analysts in the business, earning an ICCF GM title way before the high end computers and high end chess software were available. Uri was the first to call Rf6 a draw and was probably best move for white. And he also called out that hg5 was black's best response.

Today, SF-McBrain 9.1 ( not yet released) agrees with Uri.
( xboard shows the most recent pv on top, which is more natural to me, ymmv.)

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dep	score	nodes	time	(not shown:  tbhits	knps	seldep)
 48	  0.00 	22.0G	15:33.33	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 47	  0.00 	16.4G	11:42.00	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 46	  0.00 	14.9G	10:40.79	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 45	  0.00 	10.6G	7:39.65	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 44	  0.00 	9.34G	6:46.93	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 43	  0.00 	8.24G	6:01.28	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 42	  0.00 	7.38G	5:25.36	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 41	  0.00 	6.06G	4:30.45	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 40	  0.00 	4.96G	3:43.79	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qxa4 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 39	  0.00 	4.82G	3:37.83	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qxa4 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 38	  0.00 	4.38G	3:19.80	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qxa4 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 37	  0.00 	3.73G	2:52.24	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qxa4 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 37	 -0.02!	3.67G	2:50.09	Rf6! 
 37	 -0.31!	3.54G	2:44.37	Rf6! 
 37	 -0.53!	3.48G	2:41.87	Rf6! 
 37	 -0.69!	3.42G	2:39.09	Rf6! 
 37	 -0.80!	3.38G	2:37.47	Rf6! 
 37	 -0.87!	3.37G	2:37.05	Rf6! 
 36	 -0.95 	2.91G	2:15.60	Nh3 Nc6 Nf2 Qe8 e4 Rd8 Rae1 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ng4 f5 Qxe8 Rdxe8 Nf2 Nxe5 exf5 Rxf5 Re4 Nc6 c3 dxc3 Rc4 Ne7 Rxc3 Rf4 Ra1 Nd5 Rc6 Ref8 Rc2 Rd4 a5 Re8 Re1 Ra4 Nd3 Rxa5 Rce2 Nf6 Rxe6 Rxe6 Rxe6 Ra2 
 35	 -0.97 	2.58G	2:00.52	Nh3 Nc6 Nf2 Qe8 e4 Rd8 Rae1 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ng4 f5 Qxe8 Rdxe8 Nf2 Nxe5 exf5 Rxf5 Re4 Nc6 c3 dxc3 Rc4 Ne7 Rxc3 Rf4 Ra1 Nd5 Rc6 Ref8 Rc2 Rd4 a5 Re8 Re2 Nf6 Rae1 Rd5 Rxe6 
 35	 -0.90!	2.51G	1:56.98	Nh3! 
 34	 -0.98?	2.39G	1:51.29	Nh3 Nc6? 
 34	 -0.82?	2.32G	1:48.18	Nh3 Nc6? 
 34	 -0.67!	2.24G	1:44.45	Nh3! 
 34	 -0.75?	1.91G	1:28.75	Nh3 Nc6? 
 33	 -0.67 	1.86G	1:26.48	Nh3 Nc6 Nf2 Qe8 e4 Rd8 Rae1 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ng4 f5 Nxh6+ gxh6 Qxh6 Rd7 exf5 Rh7 Qxe6+ Qxe6 fxe6 Rxf1+ Rxf1 Rh5 Rf7 Rxe5 Rc7 Rxe6 h4 a6 Kf2 Rf6+ Ke2 Nb4 Rc4 Nc6 Rc5 Rh6 h5 Nb4 Rc4 Nd5 Rxd4 Rxh5 Kd3 
 33	 -0.77!	1.44G	1:06.99	Nh3! 
 33	 -0.92!	1.32G	1:01.65	Nh3! 
 33	 -1.04!	1.29G	1:00.02	Nh3! 
 33	 -1.11!	1.16G	0:54.11	Nh3! 
 32	 -1.19 	1.02G	0:47.61	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 Rfb1 Qa6 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Rb5 Rab8 c4 Nb4 Ne1 dxc4 Qxc4 Rxb5 Qxb5 Qc8 Qc4 Nd5 e4 Nb6 Qc3 Qc6 Qd3 Nxa4 Nf3 c4 Qd4 a5 h4 Ra8 Nd2 Nc5 Ra3 Qb6 Kh2 
 32	 -1.13!	929.8M	0:43.31	Nf3! 
 32	 -1.25?	915.4M	0:42.64	Nf3 Nc6? 
 32	 -1.10!	830.5M	0:38.68	Nf3! 
 31	 -1.17?	676.8M	0:31.43	Nf3 Nc6? 
 31	 -0.95!	592.8M	0:27.43	Nf3! 
 31	 -1.02!	535.1M	0:24.73	Nf3! 
 30	 -1.10 	480.9M	0:22.25	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Ne7 Rab1 Qa6 g5 g6 Qg4 h5 Qf4 Rad8 Nd2 Qxa4 cxd5 Qxf4 exf4 Nxd5 Ne4 Ne3 Rf2 Rd4 Nf6+ Kg7 Re1 Nf5 Ra1 Ra8 c3 Rc4 Rfa2 Rxc3 Rxa7 
 30	 -0.95!	413.7M	0:19.18	Nf3! 
 30	 -1.03!	392.0M	0:18.17	Nf3! 
 29	 -1.10 	333.8M	0:15.50	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Ne7 Rab1 Qa6 g5 g6 Qg4 h5 Qf4 Rad8 Nd2 Nf5 cxd5 exd5 Rf2 Ng7 a5 c4 Nf3 Qxa5 Nd4 Qc7 Rd1 Rde8 Nb5 Qxe5 Nc7 Qxf4 exf4 Rd8 Rxd5 Nf5 Re2 c3 Rxd8 Rxd8 Nb5 Nd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 
 29	 -1.00!	289.9M	0:13.47	Nf3! 
 28	 -1.08 	273.9M	0:12.73	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Ne7 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Rfb1 Qc6 cxd5 Nxd5 Qe4 Rab8 Rxb8 Rxb8 Nd2 Qc7 Rf1 Rb2 Rf2 Rb4 c4 Ne7 Qa8+ Rb8 Qf3 Nc6 Ne4 Nxe5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qf4 Rb1+ Rf1 Rb2 Qe4 
 28	 -1.02?	256.2M	0:11.91	Nf3 Nc6? 
 27	 -0.95 	246.1M	0:11.44	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Ne7 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Rab1 Qa6 Qf4 Rad8 Nd2 Nf5 cxd5 exd5 Nb3 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 Qf3 Rh4 Rb7 Qe6 Rxa7 Qxe5 
 27	 -1.03?	236.3M	0:10.98	Nf3 Nc6? 
 27	 -0.88!	224.1M	0:10.42	Nf3! 
 26	 -0.96 	149.7M	0:06.94	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Qb2 cxd5 exd5 g5 Qc3 gxh6 Qxe3+ Kg2 Qxh6 Qxh6 gxh6 Rfb1 Nb4 c3 Nd3 Rb7 c4 Nd4 a6 Nf5 Kh7 Rf1 Nc5 Rb6 Rg8+ Kh1 Rg6 Nd6 Nxa4 
 26	 -1.00!	137.6M	0:06.38	Nf3! 
 25	 -1.07 	129.2M	0:05.99	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 Rab1 Qa6 g5 g6 Qg4 h5 Qf4 Rab8 Rxb8 Nxb8 c4 dxc4 Nd2 Qxa4 Qxc4 Qxc4 Nxc4 Nc6 Kf2 Rb8 Ke2 Rb4 Kd3 Ra4 Kc3 a5 Rd1 Kg7 
 24	 -1.07 	89.0M  	0:04.12	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Rab1 Qc7 Qf4 Rab8 Rb5 a6 Rxb8 Rxb8 e4 Qd7 Nh4 dxe4 Qxe4 Ne7 Qf4 Nf5 Nxf5 gxf5 Qf3 Rb2 Qxh5 Rxc2 Rd1 Qxa4 g6 Qg4+ Qxg4 fxg4 
 23	 -1.04 	73.0M  	0:03.37	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Qb2 g5 g6 Qh3 h5 cxd5 exd5 Qd7 Nxe5 Qxd5 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Rab8 c4 Qc2 Rac1 Qxa4 Qf4 Rb2 Rf2 Rxf2 Qxf2 Rd8 Qf4 Rd1+ Rxd1 Qxd1+ Kg2 
 22	 -0.97 	49.9M  	0:02.30	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 c4 Nb4 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Rf2 Qa6 Raf1 Nc6 Qf4 Qxc4 Qxc4 dxc4 Nd2 Nxe5 Rf4 Rad8 Nxc4 Ng4 h4 
 21	 -0.96 	42.0M  	0:01.93	Nf3 Qb7 Rae1 Nc6 e4 Ne7 Nd2 Qb2 exd5 exd5 e6 f6 c4 Qxc2 Qd1 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rfd8 cxd5 Rxd5 Ne4 Re5 Rd7 Rxe4 Rxe7 Rxa4 Rc7 
 20	 -0.62 	27.0M  	0:01.22	Nf3 Qb7 Rae1 Nc6 e4 Ne7 exd5 Qxd5 Qh4 Qd7 Qc4 Rad8 Qxc5 Rc8 Qd6 Rfd8 Qxd7 Rxd7 Re3 Rc4 Rd3 Rxd3 
 19	 -0.61 	24.5M  	0:01.10	Nf3 Qb7 Rae1 Nd7 e4 Rab8 exd5 Qxd5 Rd1 Qc6 Qh4 Nb6 Nd2 Qxa4 Ne4 Qxc2 Rd2 Qb3 Qg3 Nd5 
 18	 -0.62 	19.5M  	0:00.88	Nf3 Qb7 Rae1 Nc6 e4 d4 g4 Qb2 g5 g6 Qxh6 Qxc3 h4 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qg3+ Kh1 Qxe5 h5 Qg7 Qxg7+ Kxg7 h6+ Kh7 Rf2 Rad8 Ref1 Rd7 Rb1 
 17	 -0.77 	11.2M  	0:00.51	Nf3 Qb7 Rae1 Nd7 e4 Qc6 exd5 exd5 Qf5 Rae8 a5 Re6 Rd1 Rd8 Rfe1 Rde8 Rf1 R6e7 Qf4 Re6 Qd2 Qc7 Qxd5 Nxe5 
 16	 -0.98 	7.51M  	0:00.34	Nf3 Qb7 Rae1 Nd7 e4 Rab8 exd5 Qxd5 g4 Qa2 Rd1 Nb6 g5 Qxc2 gxh6 Qh7 Qg5 Qxh6 Qxh6 
 15	 -1.06 	4.91M  	0:00.22	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Qb7 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 e4 Rab8 Qf4 Ne7 Nd2 Qb2 exd5 Nxd5 
 14	 -1.02 	1.97M  	0:00.09	Nf3 Qb7 e4 dxe4 Nd2 Qd5 Qe2 Nc6 Rae1 Qxe5 Qxe4 Qc7 Rb1 Rab8 Nc4 
 13	 -1.13 	662564	0:00.03	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Ne7 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Qf4 Rab8 Rfb1 Nf5 Rxb8 Rxb8 e4 Ne7 Nh4 Rb2 
 12	 -1.04 	591039	0:00.03	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Ne7 g5 g6 Qh4 h5 Qf4 Rab8 Nh4 Nf5 e4 dxe4 Qxe4 
 11	 -1.17 	319480	0:00.02	Nf3 Nc6 g4 Ne7 c4 Rab8 g5 g6 Qh3 h5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nd2 Rb4 
 10	 -0.92 	141754	0:00.01	Nf3 Qc7 g4 Qa5 c4 Qc3 cxd5 exd5 Rad1 Nc6 Rxd5 Qxc2 
  9	 -1.14 	77946  	0:00.00	Nf3 Qc7 c4 Nd7 cxd5 exd5 Rfd1 Qc6 g4 
  8	 -1.15 	48150  	0:00.00	Nf3 Qd8 c4 Nc6 Nd2 Rb8 cxd5 exd5 
  7	 -1.29 	18310  	0:00.00	Nf3 Nc6 Rab1 Qc7 Rb5 c4 h3 
  6	 -1.32 	10251  	0:00.00	Nh3 Qc6 a5 Nd7 Nf4 Rab8 
  5	 -1.35 	8531    	0:00.00	Nh3 Qc6 Nf2 Nd7 c4 
  4	 -1.23 	6448    	0:00.00	Nh3 Qd8 Nf4 Nd7 
  3	 -0.95 	5142    	0:00.00	Nh3 Nc6 Nf4 
  2	 -0.70 	3717    	0:00.00	Nf3 a5 
  1	 -0.50 	2276    	0:00.00	Nf3 
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Re: A blast from the past...

Post by MikeGL » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:37 pm

MikeB wrote:This is from Sean Mintz's website where he , on his own, elected to archive the talk chess.com posts before the forum server software was updated.

https://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.php

I thank Sean for that unselfish endeavor.

Now the position in question:

https://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.php?id=424110

[d]rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17

Uri Blass, not surprisingly, as Uri is one the top chess analysts in the business, earning an ICCF GM title way before the high end computers and high end chess software were available. Uri was the first to call Rf6 a draw and was probably best move for white. And he also called out that hg5 was black's best response.

Today, SF-McBrain 9.1 ( not yet released) agrees with Uri.
( xboard shows the most recent pv on top, which is more natural to me, ymmv.)

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dep	score	nodes	time	(not shown:  tbhits	knps	seldep)
 48	  0.00 	22.0G	15:33.33	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 47	  0.00 	16.4G	11:42.00	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 46	  0.00 	14.9G	10:40.79	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 45	  0.00 	10.6G	7:39.65	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 44	  0.00 	9.34G	6:46.93	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 43	  0.00 	8.24G	6:01.28	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 42	  0.00 	7.38G	5:25.36	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
 41	  0.00 	6.06G	4:30.45	Rf6 hxg5 Raf1 Qb7 R6f3 Nd7 Rxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7+ Kh7 Qh5+ Kg8 Qf7+ 
Thanks for the position and for the heads up of upcoming McBrain v.9.1 release.

Regarding the position, it is quite unusual when white has already a slight edge at first glance (considering the well placed and active pieces, plus open file for Rf1 followed by Raf1), yet engines prefer to play the forced perpetual for white. I mean, there's no rush for this perpetual check line IMO.
If this is human vs. human game, then white has already great psychological edge with those menacing pieces. Below is my analysis (with SF9) delaying the forced perpetual, but instead repositioning the N for Nf6 hole then pounce the kingside of black. Suprisingly, position reaches an endgame with Q vs R+R endgame with a possible +- for white.

[pgn]
[Event "Analysis"]
[Site "Talkchess"]
[Date "2018.03.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish9"]
[Black "Stockfish9"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "0+20"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

17. Nh3 Nc6 18. Nf2 Ne7 19. Ng4 Nf5 20. Rf3 Rab8 21. Rh3 Qe7 22. Nf6+ gxf6
23. Rf1 fxe5 24. Rxf5 exf5 25. Qxh6 f6 26. Rg3+ Kf7 27. Rg7+ Ke6 28. Rxe7+
Kxe7 29. Qh7+ Ke6 30. Qxa7 Rfd8 {+-}
[/pgn]

Analysed with SF9 and multi-pv = 5.
There might be some inaccuracy, but I think I like the Q versus 2 rooks on
the resulting endgame because of some white passed pawns and unsafe
black King.
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Re: A blast from the past...

Post by MikeB » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:09 am

Good Analysis!

Here's a a very cool position from your hard 2016 test suite #57 with analysis dev McBrain v9.1, current dev SF also gets this just as fast ...

[d]5kN1/3p1q2/5P2/5PP1/2pK4/1p1R4/1P6/8 w - - 0 1

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dep	score	nodes	time	(not shown:  tbhits	knps	seldep)
 56	  #35 	3.51G	1:24.36	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke8 Kb4 Kd8 Kxb3 Kc7 Ka4 Kb6 Kb4 Ka6 Kc5 Kb7 Kb5 Ka7 Kc6 Ka8 b4 Kb8 Kb6 Ka8 Ka6 Kb8 b5 Kc7 b6+ Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b7 Ke6 Kb6 Ke5 b8=Q+ Kf5 Kc6 Ke4 Qf8 K 
 55	  #35 	2.94G	1:12.98	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke6 Kc4 Kd7 Kxb3 Kc6 Kb4 Kb6 b3 Kc7 Kb5 Kb7 b4 Ka7 Kc6 Ka6 b5+ Ka7 Kc7 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 Ka6 Kc7 b6+ Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b7 Ke6 b8=Q Kf5 Qg3 Ke4 Kb6 Kf5 Kb5 Ke 
 54	  #35 	2.87G	1:11.50	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke6 Kc4 Kd7 Kxb3 Kc6 Kb4 Kb6 b3 Kc7 Kb5 Kb7 b4 Ka7 Kc6 Ka6 b5+ Ka7 Kc7 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 Ka6 Kc7 b6+ Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b7 Ke6 b8=Q Kf5 Qg3 Ke4 Kb6 Kf5 Kb5 Ke 
 53	  #35 	2.86G	1:11.32	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke6 Kc4 Kd7 Kxb3 Kc6 Kb4 Kb6 b3 Kc7 Kb5 Kb7 b4 Ka7 Kc6 Ka6 b5+ Ka7 Kc7 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 Ka6 Kc7 b6+ Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b7 Ke6 b8=Q Kf5 Qg3 Ke4 Kb6 Kf5 Kb5 Ke 
 52	  #35 	2.85G	1:11.09	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke6 Kc4 Kd7 Kxb3 Kc6 Kb4 Kb6 b3 Kc7 Kb5 Kb7 b4 Ka7 Kc6 Ka6 b5+ Ka7 Kc7 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 Ka6 Kc7 b6+ Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b7 Ke6 b8=Q Kf5 Kb6 Ke4 Kc5 Kf3 Kd5 Ke 
 51	  #35 	2.84G	1:10.87	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke6 Kc4 Kd7 Kxb3 Kc6 Kb4 Kb6 b3 Kc7 Kb5 Kb7 b4 Ka7 Kc6 Ka6 b5+ Ka7 Kc7 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 Ka6 Kc8 b6 Kd7 b7 Ke6 b8=Q Kf5 Kb5 Kg4 Kc6 Kg5 Qg3+ Kf5 Kb5 Ke 
 50	  #35 	2.81G	1:10.29	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd6 Ke8 f6 Kf7 Kxd7 Kxf6 Kd6 Kf7 Kc5 Ke6 Kc4 Kd7 Kxb3 Kc6 Kb4 Kb6 b3 Kc7 Kb5 Kb7 b4 Ka7 Kc6 Ka6 b5+ Ka7 Kc7 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 Ka6 Kc8 b6 Kd7 b7 Ke6 b8=Q Kf5 Kb6 Ke4 Kc6 Kd3 Qe5 Kd2 Kc5 Kc2 
 49	  #35 	2.12G	0:56.14	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 d6+ Kd4 d5 Kc3 Qh8 g7+ Qxg7 fxg7+ Kxg7 Kd4 Kf6 Kxd5 Kxf5 Kc4 Ke6 Kxb3 Kd7 Kb4 Kc7 Kb5 Kd8 Kc6 Kc8 b3 Kd8 b4 Kc8 b5 Kd8 Kb7 Ke8 Kc7 Kf7 b6 Ke6 b7 Ke5 Kc6 Kf4 Kd6 Ke3 b8=Q Kd3 Kd5 Kc3 Qf4 Kb3 Kc5 Ka2 Qc4+ Ka1 
 49	  #41!	1.50G	0:42.52	Rxb3! 
 49	  #50?	1.50G	0:42.43	Rxb3 cxb3? 
 48	  #41 	1.49G	0:42.10	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Qh8 g7+ Qxg7 fxg7+ Kxg7 Kd6 Kf6 Kxd7 Kxf5 Kd6 Ke4 Kc5 Ke5 Kb4 Kd6 Kxb3 Kc5 Ka4 Kb6 Kb4 Kc7 Kc5 Kb7 Kb5 Ka7 Kc6 Kb8 b4 Kc8 Kb6 Kd7 b5 Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b6 Kd6 b7 Ke6 Kb6 Kf5 Kc5 Kg5 b8=Q Kg4 Kc4 Kg5 Qe5+ Kg4 Kd3 K 
 47	  #43 	1.48G	0:42.06	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Qh8 g7+ Qxg7 fxg7+ Kxg7 Kd6 Kf6 Kxd7 Kxf5 Kd6 Ke4 Kc5 Ke5 Kb4 Kd6 Kxb3 Kc5 Ka4 Kb6 Kb4 Kc7 Kc5 Kb7 Kb5 Ka7 Kc6 Kb8 b4 Kc8 Kb6 Kd7 Kb5 Ke6 Kc6 Ke7 b5 Kd8 Kb7 Ke8 Kc7 Kf7 Kd6 Kf6 b6 Kf5 b7 Ke4 b8=Q Kd4 Kc6 Ke 
 46	  #41 	1.48G	0:42.00	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 Qh8 g7+ Qxg7 fxg7+ Kxg7 Kd6 Kf6 Kxd7 Kxf5 Kd6 Ke4 Kc5 Kd3 Kb4 Kc2 Ka3 Kd3 Kxb3 Kd4 Kb4 Ke5 Kb5 Ke4 b4 Kd4 Ka5 Ke5 Ka6 Kd6 b5 Kc7 b6+ Kc8 Ka7 Kd7 b7 Ke6 Kb6 Kf6 Kc6 Ke5 Kc5 Kf6 Kd6 Kg5 b8=Q Kg4 Kd5 Kf5 Kd4 K 
 46	  #48!	1.29G	0:37.74	Rxb3! 
 46	  #57!	766.4M	0:26.68	Rxb3! 
 45	+132.78 	552.2M	0:21.75	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 d6+ Kd4 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Kxf7 Kd5 Ke7 Kc6 Kf6 Kxd6 Kxf5 Kc5 Ke5 Kc4 Kd6 Kxb3 Kc5 Ka4 Kb6 Kb4 Kc6 Ka5 Kb7 Kb5 Ka7 Kc6 Ka8 Kb6 Kb8 b3 Kc8 b4 Kd7 b5 Kd6 Kb7 Kd5 Kc7 Kc5 b6 Kd5 Kd7 Ke5 Kc6 Ke4 Kc5 Kf3 Kd5  
 44	+132.79 	549.2M	0:21.64	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 Qb8 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kc3 Kf7 Kxb3 Kxf6 Kc4 Ke5 Kc5 d6+ Kc6 d5 f6 Ke6 f7 Kxf7 Kxd5 Ke8 Kd6 Kd8 Kc6 Kc8 b4 Kb8 Kb6 Kc8 Ka7 Kc7 b5 Kd6 b6 Kc6 b7 Kc5 Ka6 Kd6 Kb6 Kd5 b8=Q Ke4 Kb5 Kd4 Kc6 Kc3 Kd6 
 43	+132.73 	452.6M	0:18.15	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 d6 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kd5 Kf8 Kxd6 Kf7 Kd7 Kf8 f7 Kxf7 
 42	+132.73 	427.1M	0:17.21	Rxb3 cxb3 g6 Qxg8 Kc5 d6+ Kd4 d5 Kc3 Ke8 f7+ Qxf7 gxf7+ Ke7 Kxb3 Kf8 Ka3 Ke7 f8=Q+ Kxf8 
 41	+132.73 	401.2M	0:16.22	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 Qb8 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kc3 d5 Kxb3 Kf7 Kc3 Kf8 f7 Kg7 f8=R Kxf8 
 40	+132.73 	300.3M	0:12.42	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 Qb8 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kc3 d5 Kxb3 Kf7 Kc3 Kf8 f7 Kg7 f8=R Kh7 f6 Kg6 f7 Kg7 b3 Kg6 b4 Kf6 b5 Kg7 
 39	+132.73 	291.3M	0:12.06	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 Qb8 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kc3 d5 Kxb3 Kf7 Kc3 Kf8 f7 Kg7 f8=R Kh7 f6 Kg6 f7 Kg7 b3 Kxf8 
 38	+132.73 	290.0M	0:12.01	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 Qb8 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kc3 d5 Kxb3 Kf7 Kb4 Kf8 f7 Ke7 f8=Q+ Kxf8 
 37	+132.73 	283.3M	0:11.75	Rxb3 Qe8 Ne7 cxb3 g6 Qb8 g7+ Kf7 g8=Q+ Qxg8 Nxg8 Kxg8 Kc3 d5 Kxb3 Kf7 
 36	+132.71 	246.8M	0:10.33	Rxb3 Qe8 g6 Qa8 Nh6 Qa7+ Ke4 d5+ Kf3 cxb3 g7+ Qxg7 fxg7+ Kxg7 Ke3 Kf6 Kd4 Kg5 Kxd5 Kh5 f6 Kg6 f7 Kg7 f8=Q+ Kxf8 
 36	+132.49!	193.2M	0:08.36	Rxb3! 
 36	+66.19!	192.4M	0:08.33	Rxb3! 
 36	+53.12!	179.8M	0:07.88	Rxb3! 
 36	+42.69!	179.1M	0:07.85	Rxb3! 
 36	+34.35!	177.5M	0:07.79	Rxb3! 
 36	+27.70!	170.8M	0:07.55	Rxb3! 
 36	+22.40!	162.7M	0:07.26	Rxb3! 
 36	+18.17!	159.0M	0:07.12	Rxb3! 
 36	+14.80!	157.2M	0:07.05	Rxb3! 
 36	+12.12!	153.9M	0:06.92	Rxb3! 
 36	+10.00!	152.2M	0:06.86	Rxb3! 
 36	+8.31!	149.0M	0:06.73	Rxb3! 
 36	+6.97!	148.8M	0:06.73	Rxb3! 
 36	+5.92!	148.7M	0:06.72	Rxb3! 
 36	+5.10!	148.3M	0:06.71	Rxb3! 
 36	+4.45!	148.3M	0:06.71	Rxb3! 
 36	+3.95!	148.2M	0:06.70	Rxb3! 
 36	+3.57!	148.0M	0:06.70	Rxb3! 
 36	+3.28!	147.7M	0:06.68	Rxb3! 
 36	+0.42!	131.4M	0:06.05	Rxb3! 
 36	+0.26!	130.1M	0:05.99	Rxb3! 
 36	+0.15!	122.7M	0:05.68	Rxb3! 
 36	+0.07!	113.8M	0:05.29	Rxb3! 
 35	  0.00 	81.3M  	0:03.78	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 34	  0.00 	77.5M  	0:03.61	Re3 Kxg8 Kc3 Qf8 Re7 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 33	  0.00 	69.5M  	0:03.25	Re3 Kxg8 Kc3 Qf8 Re7 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 32	  0.00 	57.2M  	0:02.60	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 31	  0.00 	56.9M  	0:02.59	Re3 Kxg8 Kc3 Qf8 Re7 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 30	  0.00 	50.4M  	0:02.27	Re3 Kxg8 Kc3 Qf8 Re7 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 29	  0.00 	48.7M  	0:02.19	Re3 Kxg8 Kc3 Qf8 Re7 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 28	  0.00 	47.0M  	0:02.11	Re3 Kxg8 Kc3 Qf8 Re7 Qa8 g6 Qa5+ Kxc4 Qa6+ Kxb3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd6+ Kb3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qb6+ Ka3 d5 f6 Qa6+ Kb3 Qc4+ Ka3 d4 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Ke8 Re7+ Kd8 g7 Qa6+ Kb4 Qxf6 g8=Q+ Kxe7 
 27	  0.00 	22.7M  	0:01.04	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 Ke4 Qd2 f6 Qg5 Rg7+ Kf8 Rf7+ Kg8 
 26	  0.00 	17.7M  	0:00.81	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 Ke4 
 25	  0.00 	17.7M  	0:00.81	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 Ke4 
 24	  0.00 	17.6M  	0:00.81	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 Ke4 
 23	  0.00 	12.7M  	0:00.54	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 
 22	  0.00 	12.3M  	0:00.52	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 b4 Qg2+ Ke5 
 21	  0.00 	12.3M  	0:00.52	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 Qg5 
 20	  0.00 	12.3M  	0:00.52	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 Qe3+ Kd5 
 19	  0.00 	12.2M  	0:00.52	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke6 
 18	  0.00 	12.2M  	0:00.51	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qb5 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qd6 Rf7 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd4+ Kb3 Qd1+ Kc4 Qg4+ Kd5 Qd1+ Ke5 Qe2+ Kd5 Qb5+ Kd4 Qb4+ Kd5 
 17	 -0.73 	6.96M  	0:00.28	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 Rxd7 Qf4 Rg7+ Kh8 g6 Qe5+ Kxc4 Qxf6 Rh7+ Kg8 Kxb3 Qa6 Rf7 Qb5+ Kc3 Qc5+ Kd3 Qd5+ Kc3 Qe4 b4 Qe3+ Kc4 
 16	 -1.17 	5.65M  	0:00.23	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kc3 Qb8 g6 Qg3+ Kxc4 Qf4+ Kxb3 Qf3+ Kb4 Qb7+ Kc4 Qc6+ Kd3 Qxf6 Rf7 Qa6+ Kd4 Qd6+ Ke4 Qb4+ Kd5 Qd2+ Ke4 Qg2+ Kf4 d5 f6 Qe4+ Kg5 Qe5+ Kg4 
 15	 -1.10 	4.56M  	0:00.19	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qf8 Kxc4 Qb8 f7+ Kg7 g6 Qc7+ Kxb3 Qb6+ Kc4 Qc6+ Kb3 Qd5+ Ka4 Qa2+ Kb4 Qxb2+ Kc4 Qc1+ Kd4 Qf4+ Kc3 d5 Re8 
 14	 -1.72 	1.68M  	0:00.08	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qh5 Kxc4 Qg4+ Kxb3 Qxf5 Rg7+ Kh8 Kc4 Qe4+ Kc5 Qe5+ Kc4 Qxb2 Kd5 Qe2 Kd6 Qe6+ Kc5 Qe5+ Kc4 
 13	 -1.52 	990571	0:00.04	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qh5 Kxc4 Qg4+ Kxb3 Qxf5 Rg7+ Kh8 Kc4 Qe4+ Kc5 Qe5+ Kc4 Qxb2 Kd5 Qb5+ Kd6 Qc6+ Ke5 Qe6+ Kf4 Qc4+ Kf5 Qd5+ Kg4 
 12	 -1.13 	686788	0:00.03	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qh5 Kxc4 Qg4+ Kxb3 Qxf5 Rg7+ Kh8 Kc3 d5 Kd4 Qe4+ Kc3 d4+ Kd2 d3 Kc3 Qc6+ Kxd3 
 11	 -1.27 	531183	0:00.02	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qh5 Kxc4 Qg4+ Kxb3 Qh3+ Kb4 Qxf5 Rg7+ Kf8 g6 Qf4+ Kb3 Qf3+ Ka4 Qa8+ Kb3 Qd5+ Kb4 Qb7+ Kc5 
 10	 -1.47 	362765	0:00.02	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qh5 Kxc4 Qg4+ Kxb3 Qd1+ Ka3 Qd3+ Kb4 Qd2+ Kc4 Qf4+ Kb3 Qxf5 Rg7+ Kf8 g6 Qd3+ Ka2 Qc4+ Ka3 
  9	 -1.97 	55497  	0:00.00	Re3 Kxg8 Re7 Qh5 g6 Qh4+ Ke5 Qh2+ Kd5 Qg2+ Kxc4 Qc6+ Kxb3 Qxf6 
  8	 -1.42 	33759  	0:00.00	Rc3 Kxg8 Rxc4 Qh5 Rc8+ Kf7 g6+ Kxf6 Rf8+ Kg7 Rf7+ Kg8 
  7	 -1.43 	24816  	0:00.00	Rc3 Kxg8 Rxc4 Qh5 Rc8+ Kf7 g6+ Kxf6 Rf8+ Kg5 
  6	 -1.34 	22574  	0:00.00	Rc3 Kxg8 Rxc4 Qh5 Rc8+ Kf7 g6+ Kxf6 
  5	 -2.64 	9047    	0:00.00	Rg3 Kxg8 Rg1 d5 Ra1 
  4	 -2.32 	6273    	0:00.00	Rg3 Qxg8 Rg1 Qf7 
  3	 -2.13 	3925    	0:00.00	Rg3 Qxg8 Rg1 
  2	+3.64 	2007    	0:00.00	Nh6 cxd3 Nxf7 Kxf7 Kxd3 
  1	+0.89 	1117    	0:00.00	Nh6 
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peter
Posts: 1853
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:38 am
Full name: Peter Martan

Re: A blast from the past...

Post by peter » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:46 am

Hi Mike!
MikeGL wrote: [pgn]
[Event "Analysis"]
[Site "Talkchess"]
[Date "2018.03.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish9"]
[Black "Stockfish9"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "0+20"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

17. Nh3 Nc6 18. Nf2 Ne7 19. Ng4 Nf5 20. Rf3 Rab8 21. Rh3 Qe7 22. Nf6+ gxf6
23. Rf1 fxe5 24. Rxf5 exf5 25. Qxh6 f6 26. Rg3+ Kf7 27. Rg7+ Ke6 28. Rxe7+
Kxe7 29. Qh7+ Ke6 30. Qxa7 Rfd8 {+-}
[/pgn]
Made a little Backward with your line and McBrain's one and commented with some evals with Contempt 0 at the corresponding positions with full hash from Backward each.
[pgn]
[Event "Blast from the Past CCC"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.03.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Blass, Uri"]
[Black "McBrain, SF"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Martan,Peter"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[PlyCount "13"]

17. Rf6 {0.0/43 SF} (17. Nh3 {-1.2/35 SF} Nc6 18. Nf2 Ne7 {0.0/39 SF} (18...
Qe8 {-1.2/35 SF}) 19. Ng4 Nf5 20. Rf3 Rab8 21. Rh3 Qe7 22. Nf6+ gxf6 23. Rf1
fxe5 24. Rxf5 exf5 25. Qxh6 f6 26. Rg3+ Kf7 27. Rg7+ Ke6 28. Rxe7+ Kxe7 29.
Qh7+ Ke6 30. Qxa7 Rfd8 {Mike L. 0.4/33 SF} (30... Rb1+ {0.0/37 SF})) 17... hxg5
18. Raf1 Qb7 19. R6f3 Nd7 20. Rxf7 Rxf7 21. Qxf7+ Kh7 22. Qh5+ Kg8 23. Qf7+ *
[/pgn]
Then with full hash after Backward of both lines 2MV in depth 40:

[d]rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 260318 64 POPCNT:

1. = (0.00): 17.Rf6 hxg5 18.Raf1 Qb7 19.R6f3 Nd7 20.Rxf7 Rxf7 21.Qxf7+ Kh7 22.Qh5+ Kg8 23.Qf7+

2. -/+ (-1.05): 17.Nh3 Nc6 18.Nf2 Qe8 19.e4 Rd8 20.Rae1 d4 21.cxd4 cxd4 22.Ng4 f5 23.Qxe8 Rdxe8 24.exf5 exf5 25.Nf2 Rxe5 26.Nd3 Rxe1 27.Rxe1 Kf7 28.Ne5+ Nxe5 29.Rxe5 Rc8 30.Rxf5+ Ke6 31.Rf2 a5 32.Kf1 Rc4 33.Ke1 Rxa4 34.Kd2 Ra1 35.Kd3 Rd1+ 36.Kc4 a4 37.Kb4 Ra1 38.Re2+ Kf5 39.Rf2+ Kg5 40.Rd2 Ra2 41.Rxd4 Rxc2 42.Rd7 a3 43.Kxa3
Peter.

kgburcham
Posts: 2016
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:19 pm

Re: A blast from the past...

Post by kgburcham » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:24 pm

[D] 5kN1/3p1q2/5P2/5PP1/2pK4/1p1R4/1P6/8 w - -

tactical mode
Nalimov 6 men EGTB available - 999 MB cache
Engine: Houdini 6.01 Pro x64-pext (8192 MB)
by Robert Houdart
8 threads used
12/41 0:00 -0.56 1.Re3 Qh5 2.Ne7 Qxg5 3.Ng6+ Kf7 4.Ne5+ Kxf6 5.Nxd7+ Kf7 6.Ne5+ Kg7 7.Nxc4 Qxf5 8.Rxb3 (1.541.913) 10012 TB:2.520
13/46 0:00 -0.23 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Rg7+ Kh8 4.Kxc4 Qb8 5.Re7 Qf4+ 6.Kxb3 Qxf5 7.Rg7 Qe4 8.Ka3 Qd3+ 9.b3 Qa6+ 10.Kb4 (2.321.136) 10225 TB:3.665
14/46 0:00 -0.61 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Rg7+ Kh8 4.Re7 c3 5.Kxc3 Qb8 6.Kd3 Qg3+ 7.Kc4 Qf4+ 8.Kxb3 Qxf5 9.Rg7 d5 10.Ka4 (3.612.549) 10007 TB:6.272
15/46 0:00 -0.75 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Kxc4 Qc8+ 4.Kxb3 d5 5.Kb4 Qc4+ 6.Ka3 Qb5 7.Rg7+ Kh8 8.Rf7 Qd3+ 9.Ka4 (4.988.958) 8342 TB:10.287
16/48 0:00 -0.49 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Kxc4 Qc8+ 4.Kxb3 d5 5.Kb4 Qc4+ 6.Ka5 Qc5+ 7.Ka4 Qc2+ 8.Kb4 Qxb2+ 9.Kc5 Qf2+ 10.Kxd5 Qxf5+ 11.Kd6 Kf8 12.Rg7 Qf4+ 13.Ke6 Qe4+ 14.Kd6 (7.244.512) 8759 TB:15.914
17/61 0:01 -0.41 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Kc3 Qb8 4.g6 Qg3+ 5.Kxc4 Qh4+ 6.Kxb3 Qxf6 7.Rf7 Qb6+ 8.Kc3 Qe3+ 9.Kc4 Qe4+ 10.Kc3 Qe5+ 11.Kb3 Qb5+ 12.Kc3 Qc5+ 13.Kb3 Qe5 14.f6 (16.975.353) 9755 TB:42.485
18/61 0:02 -0.34 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Kc3 Qb8 4.g6 Qg3+ 5.Kxc4 Qh4+ 6.Kxb3 Qxf6 7.Rf7 Qb6+ 8.Kc3 Qe3+ 9.Kc4 Qe4+ 10.Kc3 Qe5+ 11.Kb3 Qb5+ 12.Kc3 Qc5+ 13.Kb3 Qd5+ 14.Kc3 (22.118.409) 10244 TB:56.236
19/61 0:02 -0.39 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Kc3 Qb8 4.g6 Qg3+ 5.Kxc4 Qh4+ 6.Kxb3 Qxf6 7.Rf7 Qb6+ 8.Kc3 Qe3+ 9.Kc4 Qe4+ 10.Kc3 Qe5+ 11.Kb3 Qb5+ 12.Kc3 Qc5+ 13.Kb3 Qd5+ 14.Kc3 (24.678.332) 10425 TB:62.661
20/61 0:03 -0.32 1.Re3 Kxg8 2.Re7 Qf8 3.Kc3 Qb8 4.g6 Qg3+ 5.Kxc4 Qh4+ 6.Kxb3 Qxf6 7.Rf7 Qb6+ 8.Ka3 Qa7+ 9.Kb3 Qb7+ 10.Kc3 Qf3+ 11.Kb4 Qf2 12.Kb3 Qc5 13.f6 Qd5+ 14.Kb4 (31.945.201) 10415 TB:82.059
20/69 0:08 +85.00 1.Rxb3 Qe8 2.Ne7 Kf7 3.Rh3 Qf8 4.Ng6 Qd6+ 5.Kc3 Qxf6+ 6.gxf6 Kxf6 7.Kxc4 Kg5 8.Kd5 Kxf5 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Kxd7 Kd4 11.Re3 Kc4 12.Ne7 Kb5 13.Rc3 Kb6 14.Kd6 (109.002.844) 12305 TB:303.253
21/69 0:08 +85.00 1.Rxb3 Qe8 2.Ne7 Kf7 3.Rh3 Qf8 4.Ng6 Qd6+ 5.Kc3 Qxf6+ 6.gxf6 Kxf6 7.Kxc4 Kg5 8.Kd5 Kxf5 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Kxd7 Kd4 11.Re3 Kc4 12.Ne7 Kb5 13.Rc3 (109.774.064) 12318 TB:306.052
22/69 0:09 +85.00 1.Rxb3 Qe8 2.Ne7 Kf7 3.Rh3 Qf8 4.Ng6 Qd6+ 5.Kc3 Qxf6+ 6.gxf6 Kxf6 7.Kxc4 Kg5 8.Kd5 Kxf5 9.Kd6 Ke4 10.Kxd7 Kd4 11.Re3 Kc4 12.Ne7 Kb5 13.Rc3 (112.691.016) 12415 TB:313.632
23/69 0:09 +92.04 1.Rxb3 Qe8 2.Ne7 Kf7 3.Rh3 Qf8 4.Ng6 Qd6+ 5.Ke4 Qd3+ 6.Rxd3 cxd3 7.Kxd3 d6 8.Ne7 Kf8 9.g6 Ke8 10.Kd4 Kd8 11.g7 Kd7 12.g8Q Kc7 13.Qc8+ (124.838.149) 12595 TB:353.136
24/69 0:10 +96.80 1.Rxb3 Qe8 2.Ne7 Kf7 3.Rh3 Qf8 4.Ng6 Qd6+ 5.Ke4 Qd3+ 6.Rxd3 cxd3 7.Kxd3 Ke8 8.Kc4 Kf7 9.Ne5+ Ke8 10.Nxd7 Kd8 11.f7 Kc8 12.f6 Kc7 13.f8Q Kxd7 14.f7 (137.157.962) 12738 TB:396.492
25/69 0:13 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (182.804.998) 13189 TB:544.143
26/69 0:13 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (183.967.757) 13201 TB:547.888
27/69 0:14 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (186.834.947) 13249 TB:557.189
28/69 0:14 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (197.030.025) 13442 TB:586.697
29/69 0:15 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (203.349.888) 13500 TB:613.545
30/69 0:15 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (214.491.308) 13651 TB:659.499
31/69 0:16 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (225.223.925) 13847 TB:687.994
32/69 0:18 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (261.977.181) 14210 TB:780.819
33/69 0:20 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (293.906.909) 14304 TB:902.096
34/69 0:23 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (343.114.922) 14762 TB:1.103.042
35/70 0:28 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (436.933.289) 15254 TB:1.464.392
36/71 0:31 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (481.971.731) 15346 TB:1.630.932
37/71 0:32 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (494.695.217) 15433 TB:1.673.522
38/71 0:34 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (535.794.384) 15482 TB:1.839.681
39/71 0:35 +M34 1.Rxb3 cxb3 2.g6 Qxg8 3.Kc5 Ke8 4.f7+ Qxf7 5.gxf7+ Kxf7 6.Kd6 Ke8 7.f6 Kf7 8.Kxd7 (547.409.522) 15536 TB:1.889.413
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Re: A blast from the past...

Post by MikeGL » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:30 pm

peter wrote:Hi Mike!
MikeGL wrote: [pgn]
[Event "Analysis"]
[Site "Talkchess"]
[Date "2018.03.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish9"]
[Black "Stockfish9"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "0+20"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

17. Nh3 Nc6 18. Nf2 Ne7 19. Ng4 Nf5 20. Rf3 Rab8 21. Rh3 Qe7 22. Nf6+ gxf6
23. Rf1 fxe5 24. Rxf5 exf5 25. Qxh6 f6 26. Rg3+ Kf7 27. Rg7+ Ke6 28. Rxe7+
Kxe7 29. Qh7+ Ke6 30. Qxa7 Rfd8 {+-}
[/pgn]
Made a little Backward with your line and McBrain's one and commented with some evals with Contempt 0 at the corresponding positions with full hash from Backward each.
[pgn]
[Event "Blast from the Past CCC"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.03.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Blass, Uri"]
[Black "McBrain, SF"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Martan,Peter"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[PlyCount "13"]

17. Rf6 {0.0/43 SF} (17. Nh3 {-1.2/35 SF} Nc6 18. Nf2 Ne7 {0.0/39 SF} (18...
Qe8 {-1.2/35 SF}) 19. Ng4 Nf5 20. Rf3 Rab8 21. Rh3 Qe7 22. Nf6+ gxf6 23. Rf1
fxe5 24. Rxf5 exf5 25. Qxh6 f6 26. Rg3+ Kf7 27. Rg7+ Ke6 28. Rxe7+ Kxe7 29.
Qh7+ Ke6 30. Qxa7 Rfd8 {Mike L. 0.4/33 SF} (30... Rb1+ {0.0/37 SF})) 17... hxg5
18. Raf1 Qb7 19. R6f3 Nd7 20. Rxf7 Rxf7 21. Qxf7+ Kh7 22. Qh5+ Kg8 23. Qf7+ *
[/pgn]
Then with full hash after Backward of both lines 2MV in depth 40:

[d]rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 260318 64 POPCNT:

1. = (0.00): 17.Rf6 hxg5 18.Raf1 Qb7 19.R6f3 Nd7 20.Rxf7 Rxf7 21.Qxf7+ Kh7 22.Qh5+ Kg8 23.Qf7+

2. -/+ (-1.05): 17.Nh3 Nc6 18.Nf2 Qe8 19.e4 Rd8 20.Rae1 d4 21.cxd4 cxd4 22.Ng4 f5 23.Qxe8 Rdxe8 24.exf5 exf5 25.Nf2 Rxe5 26.Nd3 Rxe1 27.Rxe1 Kf7 28.Ne5+ Nxe5 29.Rxe5 Rc8 30.Rxf5+ Ke6 31.Rf2 a5 32.Kf1 Rc4 33.Ke1 Rxa4 34.Kd2 Ra1 35.Kd3 Rd1+ 36.Kc4 a4 37.Kb4 Ra1 38.Re2+ Kf5 39.Rf2+ Kg5 40.Rd2 Ra2 41.Rxd4 Rxc2 42.Rd7 a3 43.Kxa3
Thanks Peter,

looks like your 18... Qe8 is a strong improvement for black.
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Re: A blast from the past...

Post by peter » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:12 am

MikeGL wrote:looks like your 18... Qe8 is a strong improvement for black.
Did let SF play out against Brainfish with 12 threads, 8G hash each, ponder on, full Syzygys loaded:
[pgn]
[Event "SCHWARZERBLITZ, Lang 90m+30s"]
[Site "SchwarzerBlitz"]
[Date "2018.03.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 260318 64 POPCNT"]
[Black "Brainfish 230318 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "-0.97;-1.15"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17"]
[PlyCount "118"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]

17. Nh3 Nc6 {[%eval -115,36] [%emt 0:03:10]} 18. Nf2 {[%eval -97,34] [%emt 0:
02:48]} Qe8 {[%eval -113,38] [%emt 0:00:05]} 19. e4 {[%eval -77,36] [%emt 0:02:
59]} Rd8 {[%eval -121,40] [%emt 0:02:51]} 20. Rae1 {[%eval -100,41] [%emt 0:02:
56] (exd5)} d4 {[%eval -115,45] [%emt 0:12:43]} 21. Ng4 {[%eval -87,42] [%emt
0:00:05] (cxd4)} f5 {[%eval -121,44] [%emt 0:04:56]} 22. Qxe8 {[%eval -96,44]
[%emt 0:00:00]} Rdxe8 {[%eval -116,45] [%emt 0:03:36]} 23. exf5 {[%eval -107,
45] [%emt 0:00:16]} Rxf5 {[%eval -120,43] [%emt 0:02:31]} 24. cxd4 {[%eval -97,
42] [%emt 0:00:00]} cxd4 {[%eval -121,44] [%emt 0:13:43]} 25. Rb1 {[%eval -96,
44] [%emt 0:01:49]} Rc8 {[%eval -129,38] [%emt 0:04:30] (h5)} 26. h3 {[%eval
-96,40] [%emt 0:15:37] (Tb7)} Rxf1+ {[%eval -125,36] [%emt 0:02:16]} 27. Kxf1 {
[%eval -79,40] [%emt 0:04:18]} a5 {[%eval -113,41] [%emt 0:02:22] (Se7)} 28.
Rb5 {[%eval -72,38] [%emt 0:02:11] (Tb2)} Nb4 {[%eval -152,34] [%emt 0:01:53]}
29. Rxa5 {[%eval -137,39] [%emt 0:06:31]} Rxc2 {[%eval -165,39] [%emt 0:00:19]}
30. Ra8+ {[%eval -119,32] [%emt 0:00:31]} Kh7 {[%eval -178,39] [%emt 0:02:35]
(Kf7)} 31. Rb8 {[%eval -162,38] [%emt 0:03:08] (Te8)} Nd5 {[%eval -197,41]
[%emt 0:08:10]} 32. Nf2 {[%eval -164,43] [%emt 0:00:16]} Ra2 {[%eval -200,40]
[%emt 0:02:05]} 33. Ke1 {[%eval -189,43] [%emt 0:10:58] (g3)} Kg6 {[%eval -220,
37] [%emt 0:02:32] (Ta3)} 34. Rf8 {[%eval -196,34] [%emt 0:01:09]} Nb4 {[%eval
-229,38] [%emt 0:01:43]} 35. Rf4 {[%eval -225,37] [%emt 0:04:04] (Tf3)} Rxa4 {
[%eval -253,44] [%emt 0:05:36]} 36. Rg4+ {[%eval -299,42] [%emt 0:05:37] (Ke2)}
Kh7 {[%eval -329,40] [%emt 0:04:45]} 37. Rf4 {[%eval -344,43] [%emt 0:04:03]}
Nd5 {[%eval -355,42] [%emt 0:02:28]} 38. Rf8 {[%eval -363,42] [%emt 0:02:29]}
Ne3 {[%eval -371,39] [%emt 0:00:00] (Ta3)} 39. g4 {[%eval -391,40] [%emt 0:09:
47] (Sd3)} Nc4 {[%eval -424,32] [%emt 0:02:09]} 40. Nd3 {[%eval -485,39] [%emt
0:05:47] (Te8)} Ra3 {[%eval -523,36] [%emt 0:02:46]} 41. Rf3 {[%eval -536,36]
[%emt 0:00:00]} Ra5 {[%eval -562,35] [%emt 0:03:44]} 42. Nf2 {[%eval -590,39]
[%emt 0:02:21]} Ra1+ {[%eval -636,35] [%emt 0:00:34]} 43. Ke2 {[%eval -620,38]
[%emt 0:01:39]} Ra2+ {[%eval -666,34] [%emt 0:00:52]} 44. Ke1 {[%eval -651,39]
[%emt 0:03:47]} Nxe5 {[%eval -717,35] [%emt 0:02:29]} 45. Rf8 {[%eval -666,37]
[%emt 0:00:24] (Tg3)} Ng6 {[%eval -747,35] [%emt 0:04:13] (Ta3)} 46. Rd8 {
[%eval -654,29] [%emt 0:00:26] (Tf3)} e5 {[%eval -772,34] [%emt 0:03:48]} 47.
Ne4 {[%eval -707,36] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nf4 {[%eval -795,34] [%emt 0:03:16]} 48.
Nc5 {[%eval -718,37] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kg6 {[%eval -807,37] [%emt 0:02:30] (Ta3)}
49. Re8 {[%eval -756,33] [%emt 0:02:19]} Rc2 {[%eval -839,34] [%emt 0:02:25]}
50. Nb3 {[%eval -837,34] [%emt 0:02:35]} Nd3+ {[%eval -858,33] [%emt 0:00:30]
(Th2)} 51. Kd1 {[%eval -767,29] [%emt 0:01:17]} Rh2 {[%eval -869,32] [%emt 0:
01:21]} 52. Re6+ {[%eval -818,30] [%emt 0:00:47] (h4)} Kf7 {[%eval -905,33]
[%emt 0:02:19]} 53. Rb6 {[%eval -868,35] [%emt 0:00:43]} Nf2+ {[%eval -939,33]
[%emt 0:02:11]} 54. Kc2 {[%eval -915,34] [%emt 0:01:15] (Ke1)} Nxh3+ {[%eval
-1334,31] [%emt 0:05:03] (Txh3)} 55. Nd2 {[%eval -1222,31] [%emt 0:03:04] (Kb1)
} e4 {[%eval -1687,29] [%emt 0:02:05]} 56. Kc1 {[%eval -1555,27] [%emt 0:00:00]
} Nf2 {[%eval -2010,28] [%emt 0:03:01]} 57. Rb7+ {[%eval -1815,28] [%emt 0:00:
00]} Kf6 {[%eval -2334,28] [%emt 0:02:14]} 58. Kb1 {[%eval -2195,27] [%emt 0:
00:01] (Tb6+)} e3 {[%eval -5791,27] [%emt 0:02:20]} 59. Rb6+ {[%eval -4449,27]
[%emt 0:00:11] (Sf3)} Kf7 {[%eval -7047,26] [%emt 0:01:29] (Ke7)} 60. Nf3 {
[%eval -7377,27] [%emt 0:02:41]} d3 {[%eval -13269,35] [%emt 0:00:00]} 61. Rb7+
{[%eval -13267,31] [%emt 0:01:28]} Ke6 {[%eval -32723,39] [%emt 0:04:49]} 62.
Rb2 {[%eval -32735,39] [%emt 0:00:00] (Tb8)} Rh3 {[%eval -32739,53] [%emt 0:01:
49]} 63. Nd2 {[%eval -32741,46] [%emt 0:00:00] (Sd4+)} e2 {[%eval -32741,67]
[%emt 0:02:58] (Kd5)} 64. Rb6+ {[%eval -32743,59] [%emt 0:00:31]} Kd5 {[%eval
-32743,75] [%emt 0:01:43]} 65. Rb5+ {[%eval -32745,75] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kd4 {
[%eval -32745,82] [%emt 0:02:52]} 66. Kb2 {[%eval -32747,84] [%emt 0:00:00]
(Tb4+)} e1=Q {[%eval -32747,88] [%emt 0:02:29]} 67. Nb3+ {[%eval -32749,95]
[%emt 0:00:00]} Kc4 {[%eval -32749,99] [%emt 0:02:11]} 68. Rb7 {[%eval -32751,
103] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ne4 {[%eval -32751,106] [%emt 0:02:18]} 69. Rc7+ {[%eval
-32753,116] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nc5 {[%eval -32753,126] [%emt 0:02:14]} 70. Rxc5+ {
[%eval -32755,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kb4 {[%eval -32755,120] [%emt 0:00:00]} 71.
Nd4 {[%eval -32757,127] [%emt 0:00:05] (Tb5+)} Rh2+ {[%eval -32757,127] [%emt
0:00:10]} 72. Rc2 {[%eval -32759,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qc3+ {[%eval -32759,127]
[%emt 0:00:00]} 73. Kb1 {[%eval -32761,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} dxc2+ {[%eval
-32761,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} 74. Nxc2+ {[%eval -32763,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qxc2+
{[%eval -32763,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} 75. Ka1 {[%eval -32765,127] [%emt 0:00:00]}
Rh1# {[%eval -32765,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} 0-1
[/pgn]
Evals, depths and times included at quoting.

That doesn't prove Black's winning for sure of course, but I too would rather take the early threefold for White at 17th.
Peter.

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Re: A blast from the past...

Post by lech » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:24 am

[d]rn3rk1/p2q1pp1/4p2p/2ppP1NQ/P7/2P1P3/2P3PP/R4RK1 w - -
I tried Sting SF 9.9 with hash 1024 and only 1 thread (30 minutes on a very slow old machine).
Sting is very useful (gives possibility to reach a high depth) in solving difficult tactical middle-game positions too.

The both Stockfish 9 and Sting SF 9.9 together are able to find the real best move practically in each position. :)

Code: Select all

info depth 29 multipv 1 score cp -101 nodes 808614314 nps 549654 time 1471133 pv g5h3 b8c6 h3f2 c6e7 e3e4 c5c4 f2g4 d5e4 g4f6 g7f6 a1d1 d7b7 e5f6 g8h7 f6e7 b7e7 h5e5 f7f5 d1d4 a8c8 d4d6 c8e8 d6c6 e7g7 e5d4 e8d8 d4g7 h7g7 c6e6 d8d2 f1f2 d2d1 f2f1 f8d8 e6e7 g7f6 e7a7
info depth 30
info currmove g5h3 currmovenumber 1
info currmove g5f3 currmovenumber 2
info currmove e3e4 currmovenumber 3
info currmove a1b1 currmovenumber 4
info currmove f1b1 currmovenumber 5
info currmove h5g4 currmovenumber 6
info currmove a1d1 currmovenumber 7
info currmove f1d1 currmovenumber 8
info currmove g5e4 currmovenumber 9
info currmove h5h4 currmovenumber 10
info currmove g5h7 currmovenumber 11
info currmove h5d1 currmovenumber 12
info currmove a1a3 currmovenumber 13
info currmove f1f6 currmovenumber 14
info depth 30 multipv 1 score cp -88 lowerbound nodes 981262266 nps 556799 time 1762327 pv f1f6
info currmove f1f6 currmovenumber 1
info depth 30 multipv 1 score cp -76 lowerbound nodes 1010452767 nps 559036 time 1807489 pv f1f6 c5c4 f6h6 g7h6 h5h6 b8c6 h6h7
info currmove f1f6 currmovenumber 1
info depth 30 multipv 1 score cp -58 lowerbound nodes 1051136709 nps 561908 time 1870654 pv f1f6 c5c4 f6h6 g7h6 h5h6 b8c6 h6h7
info currmove f1f6 currmovenumber 1
info depth 30 multipv 1 score cp -31 lowerbound nodes 1089748355 nps 564273 time 1931243 pv f1f6 c5c4 f6h6 g7h6 h5h6 b8c6 h6h7
info currmove f1f6 currmovenumber 1
info currmove g5h3 currmovenumber 2
info currmove h5g4 currmovenumber 3
info currmove g5e4 currmovenumber 4
info currmove f1f3 currmovenumber 5
info currmove h5g6 currmovenumber 6
info currmove f1f2 currmovenumber 7
info currmove g1h1 currmovenumber 8
info currmove g5f3 currmovenumber 9
info currmove g1f2 currmovenumber 10
info currmove h5f3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove h5h4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove a1e1 currmovenumber 13
info currmove f1e1 currmovenumber 14
info currmove g5h7 currmovenumber 15
info currmove h5d1 currmovenumber 16
info currmove f1f5 currmovenumber 17
info currmove h5h3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove h5e2 currmovenumber 19
info currmove f1f4 currmovenumber 20
info currmove a1d1 currmovenumber 21
info currmove f1d1 currmovenumber 22
info currmove e3e4 currmovenumber 23
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 24
info currmove a4a5 currmovenumber 25
info currmove a1c1 currmovenumber 26
info currmove f1c1 currmovenumber 27
info currmove c3c4 currmovenumber 28
info currmove a1b1 currmovenumber 29
info currmove f1b1 currmovenumber 30
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 31
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 32
info currmove a1a3 currmovenumber 33
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 34
info currmove a1a2 currmovenumber 35
info currmove f1f7 currmovenumber 36
info currmove g5f7 currmovenumber 37
info currmove g5e6 currmovenumber 38
info currmove h5f7 currmovenumber 39
info currmove h5h6 currmovenumber 40
info depth 30 multipv 1 score cp 0 nodes 1217441829 nps 570649 time 2133431 pv f1f6 h6g5 a1f1 d7a4 f6f7 f8f7 h5f7 g8h7 f7h5 h7g8 h5f7
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Martin Hertz
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Re: A blast from the past...

Post by Martin Hertz » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:29 pm

MikeB wrote:Good Analysis!

Here's a a very cool position from your hard 2016 test suite #57 with analysis dev McBrain v9.1, current dev SF also gets this just as fast ...

[d]5kN1/3p1q2/5P2/5PP1/2pK4/1p1R4/1P6/8 w - - 0 1
I've tested some DOS programs under real DOS at 3.3 GHz on this position:

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WChess 1.05        11  00:00:02

M-Chess Pro 5.0    08  00:00:05

Chess Genius 3.0   10  00:00:07

Socrates 3.0       11  00:00:12

M-Chess 1.70       08  00:00:14

Gideon Pro 1.0     12  00:00:20

Turbo Chess (1985) 11  00:03:18
Chess System Tal, Fritz 1 and Fritz 3 are not able to find it after around 1 hour.

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