Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

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peter
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by peter »

Hi Mike!
MikeGL wrote:I tried to analyze (with engine assistance) and white can force its way for a
K+N invasion into black camp even if blacks king would position itself first at Ka5 or Ka6 before the b3 push. So I guess, the win is forced.
Please show!
Having your line would make it easier to others with weak hardware (such as me at the moment still).
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

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peter wrote:Hi Mike!
MikeGL wrote:I tried to analyze (with engine assistance) and white can force its way for a
K+N invasion into black camp even if blacks king would position itself first at Ka5 or Ka6 before the b3 push. So I guess, the win is forced.
Please show!
Having your line would make it easier to others with weak hardware (such as me at the moment still).
I am afraid I have also weak hardware.

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/6p1/8/3p3b/p1pPp1pP/BpP1PpP1/1P3P1R/K2N3N w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Kb1 Kd8 2. Kc1 Kd7 3. Kd2 Kd8 4. Ke1 Kd7 5. Kf1 Ke8 6. Rg2 Kf7 7. Rg1
Ke8 8. Ke1 Kd8 9. Kd2 Ke8 10. Re1 Kd7 11. Re2 (11. Bf8 g6 12. Re2 Kc6 13.
Ke1 Kd7 14. Rd2 Kc6 15. Rd3 Kb5 16. Kd2 Ka5 17. Kc1 Kb5 18. Rd2 Kc6 19. Rc2
bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kb5 21. Kb1 g5 22. Ka2 Bf7 23. b3 axb3+ 24. Ka3 Be8 25. Nb2
Bh5 26. Na4 Be8 27. Nc5 Kc6 28. Bh6 Kb5{+-}) 11. .. Kd8 (11. .. Kc6 12. Kc1
fxe2 13. Kd2 exd1=Q+ 14. Kxd1 Bf7 15. f3 gxf3 16. Nf2 Kd7 17. g4 Ke6 18.
Ke1 Kf6 19. Kf1 Be6 (19. .. g5 20. h5 Bg8 21. Kg1 Be6) 20. Kg1 g5 21. h5
Bd7 22. Kh2 Be6 23. Kg3 Bc8 24. Nh1 Ke6 25. Kh3 Bd7 26. Ng3 Kf6 27. Nf1 Kf7
28. Nd2 Kf6 29. Bd6 Kf7 30. Bc7 a3 31. bxa3 b2 32. Kg3 Bxg4) 12. Ke1 Ke8
13. Rd2 Kf7 14. Rd3 Ke8 15. Kd2 Kf7 16. Kc1 Ke8 17. Rd2 Kd7 18. Bf8 g6 19.
Rc2 bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kc6 21. Kb1 Kb5 22. Ka2 Ka5 23. Ka3 Kb5 24. Bb4 g5 25.
Bf8 Be8 26. Be7 Ka5 27. Bxg5 Kb5 28. b3 axb3 29. Nb2 Bf7 30. Na4 Ka5 31.
Bd8+ Kb5 32. Nc5 Be8 33. Bf6{+-} 1-0
[/pgn]


I noticed f8 square needs to be defended by King because of Bf8 forcing g6 and Bh5 will be trapped. Not easy to position black K to defend queens side because of f8 weakness.
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by peter »

MikeGL wrote:
I am afraid I have also weak hardware.

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/6p1/8/3p3b/p1pPp1pP/BpP1PpP1/1P3P1R/K2N3N w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Kb1 Kd8 2. Kc1 Kd7 3. Kd2 Kd8 4. Ke1 Kd7 5. Kf1 Ke8 6. Rg2 Kf7 7. Rg1
Ke8 8. Ke1 Kd8 9. Kd2 Ke8 10. Re1 Kd7 11. Re2 (11. Bf8 g6 12. Re2 Kc6 13.
Ke1 Kd7 14. Rd2 Kc6 15. Rd3 Kb5 16. Kd2 Ka5 17. Kc1 Kb5 18. Rd2 Kc6 19. Rc2
bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kb5 21. Kb1 g5 22. Ka2 Bf7 23. b3 axb3+ 24. Ka3 Be8 25. Nb2
Bh5 26. Na4 Be8 27. Nc5 Kc6 28. Bh6 Kb5{+-}) 11. .. Kd8 (11. .. Kc6 12. Kc1
fxe2 13. Kd2 exd1=Q+ 14. Kxd1 Bf7 15. f3 gxf3 16. Nf2 Kd7 17. g4 Ke6 18.
Ke1 Kf6 19. Kf1 Be6 (19. .. g5 20. h5 Bg8 21. Kg1 Be6) 20. Kg1 g5 21. h5
Bd7 22. Kh2 Be6 23. Kg3 Bc8 24. Nh1 Ke6 25. Kh3 Bd7 26. Ng3 Kf6 27. Nf1 Kf7
28. Nd2 Kf6 29. Bd6 Kf7 30. Bc7 a3 31. bxa3 b2 32. Kg3 Bxg4) 12. Ke1 Ke8
13. Rd2 Kf7 14. Rd3 Ke8 15. Kd2 Kf7 16. Kc1 Ke8 17. Rd2 Kd7 18. Bf8 g6 19.
Rc2 bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kc6 21. Kb1 Kb5 22. Ka2 Ka5 23. Ka3 Kb5 24. Bb4 g5 25.
Bf8 Be8 26. Be7 Ka5 27. Bxg5 Kb5 28. b3 axb3 29. Nb2 Bf7 30. Na4 Ka5 31.
Bd8+ Kb5 32. Nc5 Be8 33. Bf6{+-} 1-0
[/pgn]
Nevermind Mike, problem to me rather is, that your .pgn is only 33 moves long. and you deviate right from the start from author's solution (if it really is his one, I talk about the one given at YACPDB), so the taking of the white Rook happens at a time, when White's h-pawn is still on the board, which changes a lot, as you wrote somewhere by yourself. Could well be, that Black should just wait with this till White has given the h-pawn, which he probably would have to sooner or later yet.

The deviation of yours is 1...Kd8 instead of ...Kf7, so just theoretically even if your line worked, it doesn't mean it would do so for the other one first black move too., just to be sophisticated.
:)

And even at this one your line, I don't see any progress after just 32...Kc6 instead of ...Be8 (?) there.
BTW, after that 33.Ne6 instead of your last move 33.Be8 (?!) get's #37- output of MF already.

Taking back the last 3 plies with full hash and playing 32...Kc6 instead of your ...Be8 (?) lets evals drop, output looks like that:

[d]3B4/5b2/2k5/2Np4/2pPp1pP/KpP1PpP1/5P2/7N w - - 0 1

Analysis by MateFinder 020118 64:

33.Kb2 Kd6 34.Bg5 Kc7 35.Na6+ Kc6 36.Nb4+ Kd6 37.Bf4+ Ke7 38.Bh6 Kd7 39.Kb1 Ke6 40.Nc6 Be8 41.Ne5 Bh5 42.Bg7 Ke7 43.Kb2 Ke6 44.Bf8 Kf5 45.Be7 Ke6 46.Bd8 Kd6 47.Bg5 Ke6 48.Ka1 Kd6 49.Kb1 Kc7 50.Bh6 Kd6 51.Bf8+ Ke6 52.Kc1 Kf5 53.Kb2 Ke6 54.Bb4 Kf5 55.Kb1 Ke6 56.Bc5 Kf5 57.Be7 Ke6 58.Bg5 Kd6 59.Bf4 Ke6 60.Nc6 Kd7 61.Nb4 Ke6 62.Kb2 Be8 63.Bh6 Bf7 64.Bg7 Kd6
+- (6.95) Depth: 59/64 00:03:07 1556MN

Please don't follow this output- line ply by ply too far as for proving anything, at the end eval isn't much better then at start, yet there will be some blunder- moves for any side maybe, didn't have a closer look by myself.

But just be so kind and give a line of your own with some eval- progress to be seen, if you manage to get some after 32...Kc6, the position of the dia.

To me Black's King seems to be able to hold opposition against white one again, doesn't it?

My hope went off after author's solution up to move nr. 49, where Marek found 49. Ke1 (?) going wrong.

4k3/6p1/8/3p3b/p1pPp1pP/BpP1PpP1/1P3P1R/K2N3N w - - 0 1

1. Kb1 Kf7 2. Kc1 Ke8 3. Kd2 Kf7 4. Ke1 Ke8 5. Kf1 Kf7 6. Rg2 Ke8 7. Rg1 Kf7 8.
Ke1 Ke8 9. Kd2 Kd7 10. Re1 Kc6 11. Re2 Kd7 12. Kc1 Kc6 13. Rc2 Kb5 14. Kd2 Kc6
15. Rc1 Kd7 16. Ra1 Ke6 17. Bc5 Be8 18. h5 Bd7 19. Rc1 Be8 20. Rc2 Bxh5 21. Kc1
Kf7 22. Rd2 Ke6 23. Rd3 Kf7 24. Kd2 Ke6 25. Ke1 Kd7 26. Rd2 Ke6 27. Re2 Kd7 28.
Kd2 Ke6 29. Re1 Kf7 30. Rg1 Ke6 31. Ke1 Kf6 32. Kf1 Ke6 33. Rg2 Kf6 34. Rh2 g6
35. Rg2 Kf5 36. Rg1 Ke6 37. Ke1 Kd7 38. Kd2 Ke6 39. Re1 Kd7 40. Re2 Ke6 41. Ke1
Kd7 42. Rd2 Ke6 43. Rd3 Kd7 44. Kd2 Ke6 45. Kc1 Kf7 46. Rd2 Ke8 47. Rc2 Kd7 48.
Kd2 g5

[d]8/8/4k3/2Bp2pb/p1pPp1p1/1pP1PpP1/1P1K1P2/2RN3N w - - 0 50

Do you have a repair from there onwards too already maybe?
Peter.
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by MikeGL »

peter wrote: [d]8/8/4k3/2Bp2pb/p1pPp1p1/1pP1PpP1/1P1K1P2/2RN3N w - - 0 50
Do you have a repair from there onwards too already maybe?
Will try to analyze this position, but this looks like we'll end up with Rc2 bxc2 line that reverts back to the b3 move. Where a N+B or K+N attack on pawns
would win. Will try and post shorty.
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by MikeGL »

peter wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
I am afraid I have also weak hardware.

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/6p1/8/3p3b/p1pPp1pP/BpP1PpP1/1P3P1R/K2N3N w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Kb1 Kd8 2. Kc1 Kd7 3. Kd2 Kd8 4. Ke1 Kd7 5. Kf1 Ke8 6. Rg2 Kf7 7. Rg1
Ke8 8. Ke1 Kd8 9. Kd2 Ke8 10. Re1 Kd7 11. Re2 (11. Bf8 g6 12. Re2 Kc6 13.
Ke1 Kd7 14. Rd2 Kc6 15. Rd3 Kb5 16. Kd2 Ka5 17. Kc1 Kb5 18. Rd2 Kc6 19. Rc2
bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kb5 21. Kb1 g5 22. Ka2 Bf7 23. b3 axb3+ 24. Ka3 Be8 25. Nb2
Bh5 26. Na4 Be8 27. Nc5 Kc6 28. Bh6 Kb5{+-}) 11. .. Kd8 (11. .. Kc6 12. Kc1
fxe2 13. Kd2 exd1=Q+ 14. Kxd1 Bf7 15. f3 gxf3 16. Nf2 Kd7 17. g4 Ke6 18.
Ke1 Kf6 19. Kf1 Be6 (19. .. g5 20. h5 Bg8 21. Kg1 Be6) 20. Kg1 g5 21. h5
Bd7 22. Kh2 Be6 23. Kg3 Bc8 24. Nh1 Ke6 25. Kh3 Bd7 26. Ng3 Kf6 27. Nf1 Kf7
28. Nd2 Kf6 29. Bd6 Kf7 30. Bc7 a3 31. bxa3 b2 32. Kg3 Bxg4) 12. Ke1 Ke8
13. Rd2 Kf7 14. Rd3 Ke8 15. Kd2 Kf7 16. Kc1 Ke8 17. Rd2 Kd7 18. Bf8 g6 19.
Rc2 bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kc6 21. Kb1 Kb5 22. Ka2 Ka5 23. Ka3 Kb5 24. Bb4 g5 25.
Bf8 Be8 26. Be7 Ka5 27. Bxg5 Kb5 28. b3 axb3 29. Nb2 Bf7 30. Na4 Ka5 31.
Bd8+ Kb5 32. Nc5 Be8 33. Bf6{+-} 1-0
[/pgn]
[d]3B4/5b2/2k5/2Np4/2pPp1pP/KpP1PpP1/5P2/7N w - - 0 1

Analysis by MateFinder 020118 64:

33.Kb2 Kd6 34.Bg5 Kc7 35.Na6+ Kc6 36.Nb4+ Kd6 37.Bf4+ Ke7 38.Bh6 Kd7 39.Kb1 Ke6 40.Nc6 Be8 41.Ne5 Bh5 42.Bg7 Ke7 43.Kb2 Ke6 44.Bf8 Kf5 45.Be7 Ke6 46.Bd8 Kd6 47.Bg5 Ke6 48.Ka1 Kd6 49.Kb1 Kc7 50.Bh6 Kd6 51.Bf8+ Ke6 52.Kc1 Kf5 53.Kb2 Ke6 54.Bb4 Kf5 55.Kb1 Ke6 56.Bc5 Kf5 57.Be7 Ke6 58.Bg5 Kd6 59.Bf4 Ke6 60.Nc6 Kd7 61.Nb4 Ke6 62.Kb2 Be8 63.Bh6 Bf7 64.Bg7 Kd6
+- (6.95) Depth: 59/64 00:03:07 1556MN

Please don't follow this output- line ply by ply too far as for proving anything, at the end eval isn't much better then at start, yet there will be some blunder- moves for any side maybe, didn't have a closer look by myself.

But just be so kind and give a line of your own with some eval- progress to be seen, if you manage to get some after 32...Kc6, the position of the dia.

There seems to be a movement in eval after the following line:
[pgn]

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.01.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish8"]
[Black "Stockfish8"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3B4/5b2/2k5/2Np4/2pPp1pP/KpP1PpP1/5P2/7N w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Be7 Kc7 (1... Bg6 2. Ne6{+-}) 2. Na4 Be8 3. Nb2 Kb6 {+-}(3... Bf7{+-})
[/pgn]

Will try with the difficult position, without h4. That is more interesting if a win is possible, i think.
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by peter »

MikeGL wrote:Will try with the difficult position, without h4. That is more interesting if a win is possible, i think.
Thanks, Mike, yes, I think so too, you could be right about the other one, even if I'm not quite sure about that neither still.
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by MikeGL »

MikeGL wrote:
peter wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
I am afraid I have also weak hardware.

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.01.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[WhiteElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4k3/6p1/8/3p3b/p1pPp1pP/BpP1PpP1/1P3P1R/K2N3N w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Kb1 Kd8 2. Kc1 Kd7 3. Kd2 Kd8 4. Ke1 Kd7 5. Kf1 Ke8 6. Rg2 Kf7 7. Rg1
Ke8 8. Ke1 Kd8 9. Kd2 Ke8 10. Re1 Kd7 11. Re2 (11. Bf8 g6 12. Re2 Kc6 13.
Ke1 Kd7 14. Rd2 Kc6 15. Rd3 Kb5 16. Kd2 Ka5 17. Kc1 Kb5 18. Rd2 Kc6 19. Rc2
bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kb5 21. Kb1 g5 22. Ka2 Bf7 23. b3 axb3+ 24. Ka3 Be8 25. Nb2
Bh5 26. Na4 Be8 27. Nc5 Kc6 28. Bh6 Kb5{+-}) 11. .. Kd8 (11. .. Kc6 12. Kc1
fxe2 13. Kd2 exd1=Q+ 14. Kxd1 Bf7 15. f3 gxf3 16. Nf2 Kd7 17. g4 Ke6 18.
Ke1 Kf6 19. Kf1 Be6 (19. .. g5 20. h5 Bg8 21. Kg1 Be6) 20. Kg1 g5 21. h5
Bd7 22. Kh2 Be6 23. Kg3 Bc8 24. Nh1 Ke6 25. Kh3 Bd7 26. Ng3 Kf6 27. Nf1 Kf7
28. Nd2 Kf6 29. Bd6 Kf7 30. Bc7 a3 31. bxa3 b2 32. Kg3 Bxg4) 12. Ke1 Ke8
13. Rd2 Kf7 14. Rd3 Ke8 15. Kd2 Kf7 16. Kc1 Ke8 17. Rd2 Kd7 18. Bf8 g6 19.
Rc2 bxc2 20. Kxc2 Kc6 21. Kb1 Kb5 22. Ka2 Ka5 23. Ka3 Kb5 24. Bb4 g5 25.
Bf8 Be8 26. Be7 Ka5 27. Bxg5 Kb5 28. b3 axb3 29. Nb2 Bf7 30. Na4 Ka5 31.
Bd8+ Kb5 32. Nc5 Be8 33. Bf6{+-} 1-0
[/pgn]
[d]3B4/5b2/2k5/2Np4/2pPp1pP/KpP1PpP1/5P2/7N w - - 0 1

Analysis by MateFinder 020118 64:

33.Kb2 Kd6 34.Bg5 Kc7 35.Na6+ Kc6 36.Nb4+ Kd6 37.Bf4+ Ke7 38.Bh6 Kd7 39.Kb1 Ke6 40.Nc6 Be8 41.Ne5 Bh5 42.Bg7 Ke7 43.Kb2 Ke6 44.Bf8 Kf5 45.Be7 Ke6 46.Bd8 Kd6 47.Bg5 Ke6 48.Ka1 Kd6 49.Kb1 Kc7 50.Bh6 Kd6 51.Bf8+ Ke6 52.Kc1 Kf5 53.Kb2 Ke6 54.Bb4 Kf5 55.Kb1 Ke6 56.Bc5 Kf5 57.Be7 Ke6 58.Bg5 Kd6 59.Bf4 Ke6 60.Nc6 Kd7 61.Nb4 Ke6 62.Kb2 Be8 63.Bh6 Bf7 64.Bg7 Kd6
+- (6.95) Depth: 59/64 00:03:07 1556MN

Please don't follow this output- line ply by ply too far as for proving anything, at the end eval isn't much better then at start, yet there will be some blunder- moves for any side maybe, didn't have a closer look by myself.

But just be so kind and give a line of your own with some eval- progress to be seen, if you manage to get some after 32...Kc6, the position of the dia.

There seems to be a movement in eval after the following line:
[pgn]

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.01.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish8"]
[Black "Stockfish8"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2400"]
[TimeControl "1800+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3B4/5b2/2k5/2Np4/2pPp1pP/KpP1PpP1/5P2/7N w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "6"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. Be7 Kc7 (1... Bg6 2. Ne6{+-}) 2. Na4 Be8 3. Nb2 Kb6 {+-}(3... Bf7{+-})
[/pgn]

Will try with the difficult position, without h4. That is more interesting if a win is possible, i think.
Maybe you are correct about the impossible win without h4 pawn.
Position is a bit difficult and might take some time or maybe there is really none.
The B of black is defending important squares for the N so a N+B attack on pawns looks impossible on my analysis. A cook after bxc2 without h4 pawn? Will let my machine calculate overnight and see tomorrow if eval improves.
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Re: Help save Otto Titusz Blathy (see yacpdb id 278043)

Post by Dann Corbit »

I made a data update for the EPD records, where all positions are now analyzed to 70 plies or more (for positions where there is a checkmate, my database only updates if a shorter mate is found, so those may have lower depths recorded, but the positions have been analyzed to at least 70 ply).

I analyzed these to greater depth:

[d]4k3/6p1/8/3p3b/p1pPp1pP/BpP1PpP1/1P3P1R/K2N3N w - - acd 107; ce 1153; acs 39600; pv Kb1 Kf7 Kc1 Ke6 Bb4 Kf6 Kb1 Ke6 Bf8 Kf7 Bd6 Kg8 Kc1 Kf7 Kd2 Kg8 Ke1 g6 Kf1 Kg7 Ba3 Kf7 Kg1 Kg7 Bb4 Kg8 Kf1 Kh7 Bc5 Kg7 Be7 Kf7 Bb4 Kg7 Bc5 Kg8 Ba7 Kg7 Bb6 Kf7 Kg1 Kf6 Bc5 Kg7 Ba3 Kf7 Bd6 Kg8 Bc7 Kg7 Ba5 Kf7 Kf1 Kg7 Bc7 Kf6 Be5+ Kf7 Bf4 Kf8 Bh6+ Kg8 Ke1 Kf7 Bf4 Kg7 Kd2 Kg8 Be5 Kf7 Kc1 Ke6 Kb1 Kf7 Bf4 Kg7 Kc1 Kf7 Bh6 Kf6 Kb1 Kf7 Ka1 Kg8 Bf4 Kf7 Bc7 Kg7 Be5+ Kf7 Kb1 Kg8 Bf6 Kf7 Bg5 Kg8 Ka1 Kf7 Bd8 Kg8 Bb6 Kf7 Ba5 Kg7 Bb4 Kg8 Be7 Kf7 ; bm Kb1;

[d]8/5k2/8/2Bp2pb/p1pPp1p1/1pP1PpP1/1PR2P2/3NK2N b - - acd 126; ce -186; acs 86400; pv bxc2 Kd2 cxd1=R+ Kxd1 Ke6 Ba3 Kd7 Kc1 Kc6 Kc2 Bf7 Be7 Be8 Bf8 Bd7 Ba3 Kb7 Kc1 Bf5 Kb1 Kc6 Be7 Kb5 Ka2 Be6 Bxg5 Bc8 Be7 Bf5 Ba3 Be6 Bc5 Ka5 Bd6 Kb5 Ka3 Bd7 Bc5 Be6 Bb4 Bd7 Be7 Be6 Bc5 Bd7 Bf8 Be6 Bh6 Bc8 Bg5 Bd7 Bf6 Be6 Bd8 Bg8 Bg5 Be6 Bf4 Bd7 Bd6 Bf5 Bc7 Be6 Ka2 Bf5 Bd8 Bd7 Ka3 Bf5 Bh4 Bd7 Ka2 Be6 Bf6 Bf5 Be5 Be6 Ka3 Bd7 Bg7 Be6 Bf6 Bd7 Be5 Be6 Bg7 Bf7 Bh6 Be6 Bf8 Bd7 Bb4 Be6 Ka2 Bd7 Kb1 Be6 Be7 Bf5 Kc2 Bg6 Bd6 Bf5 Kd2 Bd7 Bb4 Kb6 Kd1 Kb7 Be7 Ka8 Ba3 Bc6 Kc1 Bb7 Kb1 Bc8 Bd6 Kb7 Ka1 Kc6 Be5 a3 bxa3 Bd7 Bf4 Kb6 ; bm bxc2;

[d]8/5k2/8/2Bp2pb/p1pPp1p1/1pP1PpP1/1P2RP2/3NK2N b - - acd 98; ce -1022; acs 86400; pv Bg6 Kd2 Kf6 Re1 Bf7 Kc1 Bg6 Bb6 Ke7 Rg1 Ke8 Rf1 Ke7 Ba5 Bh5 Rg1 Bg6 Bb4+ Kf7 Kb1 Kf6 Bc5 Kf7 Re1 Ke8 Ba3 Kf7 Rg1 Ke6 Bf8 Kf6 Bb4 Kf7 Bc5 Bf5 Rf1 Be6 Bd6 Bd7 Re1 Be6 Rg1 Kg6 Kc1 Bf7 Re1 Be6 Bc5 Bf7 Be7 Be6 Kb1 Bd7 Bc5 Be6 Rg1 Kg7 Kc1 Kg6 Bb6 Kh7 Bd8 Kg6 Be7 Bf7 Bd6 Kh6 Re1 Bg6 Be7 Bf5 Kb1 Kg6 Rf1 Be6 Bd8 Bf5 Re1 Bd7 Bb6 Bf5 Rg1 Be6 Rf1 Bd7 Bc5 Bf5 Bf8 Be6 Kc1 Kf7 Bd6 Kg6 Re1 Kf7 Kb1 Kf6 ; bm Bg6;
Taking ideas is not a vice, it is a virtue. We have another word for this. It is called learning.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.