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carldaman
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Re: MillionBase 2017

Post by carldaman » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:55 am

MikeGL wrote:
jdart wrote:For the first one you might have the wrong score. I do not see any illegal castling here (or maybe it is a different game - this is the only Kulaots-Janocha in my db?):

[Event "EU-ch rapid"]
[Site "Wroclaw"]
[Date "2014.12.21"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Kulaots, Kaido"]
[Black "Janocha, Wieslaw Adam"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D11"]
[WhiteElo "2563"]
[BlackElo "2269"]
[PlyCount "34"]
[EventDate "2014.12.20"]
[EventType "swiss (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "POL"]
[SourceTitle "CBM 164 Extra"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2015.03.02"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2015.03.02"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qc2 g6 5. Bf4 Bf5 6. Qb3 Qb6 7. e3 Qxb3 8. axb3
Bxb1 9. Rxb1 e6 10. c5 Nbd7 11. h3 Be7 12. Ra1 O-O 13. Nd2 Nh5 14. Bh2 e5 15.
b4 exd4 16. exd4 Bf6 17. Nb3 Ng7 1/2-1/2
I checked with Millionbase, it's 1 move longer than the above posted game,
ended in 18th move.

[Event "European Rapid 2014"]
[Site "Wroclaw POL"]
[Date "2014.12.21"]
[Round "8.41"]
[White "Kulaots, K"]
[Black "Janocha, W"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2563"]
[BlackElo "2269"]
[ECO "D11"]
[EventDate "2014.12.20"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "FM"]
[WhiteFideId "4500261"]
[BlackFideId "1100548"]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Qc2 g6 5.Bf4 Bf5 6.Qb3 Qb6 7.e3 Qxb3 8.axb3
Bxb1 9.Rxb1 e6 10.c5 Nbd7 11.h3 Be7 12.Ra1 O-O 13.Nd2 Nh5 14.Bh2 e5 15.b4 exd4 16.exd4 Bf6 17.Nb3 Ng7 18.O-O-O Ne6 1/2-1/2
18. O-O-O is illegal since 9.Rxb1 was played earlier. :oops:

MikeGL
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Re: MillionBase 2017

Post by MikeGL » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:05 am

carldaman wrote:
MikeGL wrote:
jdart wrote:For the first one you might have the wrong score. I do not see any illegal castling here (or maybe it is a different game - this is the only Kulaots-Janocha in my db?):

[Event "EU-ch rapid"]
[Site "Wroclaw"]
[Date "2014.12.21"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Kulaots, Kaido"]
[Black "Janocha, Wieslaw Adam"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D11"]
[WhiteElo "2563"]
[BlackElo "2269"]
[PlyCount "34"]
[EventDate "2014.12.20"]
[EventType "swiss (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "POL"]
[SourceTitle "CBM 164 Extra"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2015.03.02"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2015.03.02"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Qc2 g6 5. Bf4 Bf5 6. Qb3 Qb6 7. e3 Qxb3 8. axb3
Bxb1 9. Rxb1 e6 10. c5 Nbd7 11. h3 Be7 12. Ra1 O-O 13. Nd2 Nh5 14. Bh2 e5 15.
b4 exd4 16. exd4 Bf6 17. Nb3 Ng7 1/2-1/2
I checked with Millionbase, it's 1 move longer than the above posted game,
ended in 18th move.

[Event "European Rapid 2014"]
[Site "Wroclaw POL"]
[Date "2014.12.21"]
[Round "8.41"]
[White "Kulaots, K"]
[Black "Janocha, W"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2563"]
[BlackElo "2269"]
[ECO "D11"]
[EventDate "2014.12.20"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "FM"]
[WhiteFideId "4500261"]
[BlackFideId "1100548"]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Qc2 g6 5.Bf4 Bf5 6.Qb3 Qb6 7.e3 Qxb3 8.axb3
Bxb1 9.Rxb1 e6 10.c5 Nbd7 11.h3 Be7 12.Ra1 O-O 13.Nd2 Nh5 14.Bh2 e5 15.b4 exd4 16.exd4 Bf6 17.Nb3 Ng7 18.O-O-O Ne6 1/2-1/2
18. O-O-O is illegal since 9.Rxb1 was played earlier. :oops:
Yes. Maybe CBM reduced it by one move so that the DB won't balk at
the illegal O-O-O move.

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Re: MillionBase 2017

Post by Rebel » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:48 am

Only the players can tell what really happened.

Jim Logan
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Re: MillionBase 2017

Post by Jim Logan » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:57 pm

Is this database still available - link is certainly not working.

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Re: MillionBase 2017

Post by Paloma » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:20 am


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Re: MillionBase 2017

Post by jdart » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:57 am

By what method or standard is the quality judged?
I assume they are filtered by rating. There are inherent issues with human games, though. Oversights and blunders are fairly common even in GM level games. Humans get tired, they overlook things, or they fail to calculate a key line sometimes.

--Jon

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