AlphaZero SF game 10 Does Your Engine Find 29Qh3?

[zenpawn]

The Queen is positioned on H1 out of play.This looks like something from science fiction,an Alien game!

When I first saw this game, I was reminded of Carlsen's Qf4-g4-h3-h1 maneuver in Game 3 of the 2013 World Chess Championship in Chennai.

[pgn][Event "World Championship"]
[Site "Chennai"]
[Date "2013.11.12"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A07"]
[WhiteElo "2870"]
[BlackElo "2775"]
[PlyCount "102"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 g6 3. c4 dxc4 4. Qa4+ Nc6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. Nc3 e5 7. Qxc4 Nge7 8.
O-O O-O 9. d3 h6 10. Bd2 Nd4 11. Nxd4 exd4 12. Ne4 c6 13. Bb4 Be6 14. Qc1 Bd5
15. a4 b6 16. Bxe7 Qxe7 17. a5 Rab8 18. Re1 Rfc8 19. axb6 axb6 20. Qf4 Rd8 21.
h4 Kh7 22. Nd2 Be5 23. Qg4 h5 24. Qh3 Be6 25. Qh1 c5 26. Ne4 Kg7 27. Ng5 b5 28.
e3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Bd4 30. Re2 c4 31. Nxe6+ fxe6 32. Be4 cxd3 33. Rd2 Qb4 34.
Rad1 Bxb2 35. Qf3 Bf6 36. Rxd3 Rxd3 37. Rxd3 Rd8 38. Rxd8 Bxd8 39. Bd3 Qd4 40.
Bxb5 Qf6 41. Qb7+ Be7 42. Kg2 g5 43. hxg5 Qxg5 44. Bc4 h4 45. Qc7 hxg3 46. Qxg3
e5 47. Kf3 Qxg3+ 48. fxg3 Bc5 49. Ke4 Bd4 50. Kf5 Bf2 51. Kxe5 Bxg3+ 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[mclane]

Yes. AZ plays like a human.
Only more successful!

https://youtu.be/nk-q4SMba4s
I watched this video and right beside the board you can see the evaluation of stockfish 8 !!!

It shows the whole disaster.
The depth and evals look horrible distant from the game itself.

One gets the impression that either AZ or stockfish lives in a parallel universe.

Until move 36 stockfishs evals say its ahead or in a good position or it is a draw.

But if you look in the game this is of course not the case.

[FWCC]

I also did a Youtube video on game 10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKqD4RsmS1w

[carldaman]

rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29
In this position will your engine find Qh3 which engines say is STILL EQUAL?
I used latest SF and the move was not a choice.Engines like 29Bd4+

This game is amazing to me due to this position:
rn3r2/p3b2p/2p3k1/1p3bp1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4PB1/3RR1KQ b - - 0 26
The Queen is positioned on H1 out of play.This looks like something from science fiction,an Alien game!After going over this game,the whole point was that Black's Queenside was NEVER developed,and here AlphaZero makes the TAL decision to hang the knight for unseen compensation,truly amazing!
rnb2r2/p3bpkp/1ppq3N/6p1/Q7/2P3P1/P4PBP/R1B1R1K1 b - - 0 19
The turning point that I found in the game was 32...Re8 in this position
rn2r1q1/p5k1/2p2bp1/1p4p1/2P5/4B1PQ/5PK1/3R3R w - - 0 33
A truly remarkable game,but does your engine find or like 29.Qh3?

Just checked the first position, I'll look at the others later.

FEN: rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29

Zero-the-Hero:
1/1 00:00 158 158k +6.17 Qh1-e4 Qa3xa2
2/2 00:00 334 334k +14.32 Qh1-e4 Qa3xc3 Qe4xe7+ Kg7-g8 Be3xg5
3/4 00:00 527 527k +11.36 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5
4/6 00:00 1k 1,302k +9.69 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qh1-e4 Kf6-g7
6/8 00:00 3k 1,473k +10.60 Be3-d4+ Rf8-f6 Re1-e6 Nb8-d7 Rd1-e1 Qa3xa2 Re6xe7+ Qa2-f7
7/10 00:00 8k 1,944k +8.35 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5 Be7xg5 Be3-d4+ Qc3xd4+ Rd1xd4 c6-c5
8/12 00:00 20k 2,171k +6.27 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Re1-e3 g5-g4 Qh1-h4 Bf6xd4 c3xd4 Rf8-h8 Re3-e7+ Qa3xe7
20/37 00:00 2,474k 3,475k +0.85 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Rf8xf6 Re1-e8 Rf6-f8 Re8-e6 Qa3-c5 Rd1-d2 g5-g4 Rd2-e2 Qc5
-f5 Re6-e7+ Rf8-f7 Re7xf7+ Qf5xf7 Qh1-h4 Nb8-d7 Re2-e7 Nd7-e5 Kg1-g2 Kg7-g8 Re7xf7 Kg8xf7 Qh4-h7+ Kf7-e6

21/37 00:00 3,142k 3,415k +1.93 Qh1-h3 Be7-f6 Kg1-g2 Rf8-h8 Qh3-g4 Rh8-h5 Qg4-c8 Qa3xa2 Rd1-d6 Rh5-h8 Qc8-b7+ Qa2
-f7 Qb7xa8 Bf6-e5 Qa8xa7 Qf7xa7 Be3xa7 Be5xd6 Ba7-d4+ Kg7-g8 Re1-e8+ Bd6-f8 Bd4xh8 Nb8-d7 Re8-d8 Kg8xh8 Rd8xd7 Bf8-g7 Rd7
-c7 Bg7xc3 Rc7xc6 b5-b4 Rc6xg6

27/59+ 00:22 65,423k 2,967k +1.85 Qh1-h3
27/60 00:24 74,463k 2,984k +2.78 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Rf8xf6 Re1-e8 Rf6-f8 Re8-e6 Qa3-c5 Rd1-d2 g5-g4
Qh1-e4 Qc5-f5 Qe4-d4+ Kg7-g8 Re6-e7 Qf5-f6 Qd4-e3 Nb8-a6 Re7-e6 Qf6-f5 Rd2-d6 Kg8-g7 Qe3-d4+ Kg7-h6 Re6xg6+ Qf5xg6 Rd6xg6+
Kh6xg6 Qd4xg4+ Kg6-f6 Qg4-f3+ Kf6-g7 Qf3xc6 Ra8-d8 Qc6xa6 Rd8-d1+ Kg1-g2 Rd1-d2 Qa6xa7+ Rf8-f7 Qa7-c5 Rd2xf2+ Qc5xf2 Rf7xf2+ Kg2xf2 Kg7-f7 Kf2-f3 Kf7-f6 c3-c4 b5-b4 c4-c5 Kf6-e6 Kf3-e4 Ke6-d7

29/48- 00:38 117,287k 3,062k +1.72 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6
29/49+ 00:39 120,504k 3,074k +1.81 Qh1-h3
33/53- 01:35 322,085k 3,381k +4.23 Qh1-h3 Be7-f6

Cheers,
CL [/b]

Carl, what on earth is that for engine Is it a new program from Ed? Or the new Houdini perhaps?

It is a blend of the old and new paradigms. Think CSTAL on steroids, much stronger and with endgame knowledge, to boot.

[Geonerd]

ASM Fish eventually favors Qh3, but it's hardly a spirited endorsement. System as above, except hash now at 32GB.

1:33, 161B, 62/34+, +0.07 Qh3
1:43 179B, 62/77+ +0.15 Qh3
2:30 no change....

[Rebel]

Reposted with diagram included:

[D]rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29

Zero-the-Hero:
1/1 00:00 158 158k +6.17 Qh1-e4 Qa3xa2
2/2 00:00 334 334k +14.32 Qh1-e4 Qa3xc3 Qe4xe7+ Kg7-g8 Be3xg5
3/4 00:00 527 527k +11.36 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5
4/6 00:00 1k 1,302k +9.69 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qh1-e4 Kf6-g7
6/8 00:00 3k 1,473k +10.60 Be3-d4+ Rf8-f6 Re1-e6 Nb8-d7 Rd1-e1 Qa3xa2 Re6xe7+ Qa2-f7
7/10 00:00 8k 1,944k +8.35 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5 Be7xg5 Be3-d4+ Qc3xd4+ Rd1xd4 c6-c5
8/12 00:00 20k 2,171k +6.27 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Re1-e3 g5-g4 Qh1-h4 Bf6xd4 c3xd4 Rf8-h8 Re3-e7+ Qa3xe7

I have never seen such nonsense before.

[carldaman]

Reposted with diagram included:

[D]rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29

Zero-the-Hero:
1/1 00:00 158 158k +6.17 Qh1-e4 Qa3xa2
2/2 00:00 334 334k +14.32 Qh1-e4 Qa3xc3 Qe4xe7+ Kg7-g8 Be3xg5
3/4 00:00 527 527k +11.36 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5
4/6 00:00 1k 1,302k +9.69 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qh1-e4 Kf6-g7
6/8 00:00 3k 1,473k +10.60 Be3-d4+ Rf8-f6 Re1-e6 Nb8-d7 Rd1-e1 Qa3xa2 Re6xe7+ Qa2-f7
7/10 00:00 8k 1,944k +8.35 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5 Be7xg5 Be3-d4+ Qc3xd4+ Rd1xd4 c6-c5
8/12 00:00 20k 2,171k +6.27 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Re1-e3 g5-g4 Qh1-h4 Bf6xd4 c3xd4 Rf8-h8 Re3-e7+ Qa3xe7

I have never seen such nonsense before.

What do you mean?

That was the Arena 3.5 output. It is what it is. I can post CB output, too, to compare.


rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 1

Analysis by Zero-the-Hero :

29.Bd4+ Rf6 30.Re6 Nd7 31.Rde1 Ne5 32.Bxe5 Rd8
+- (14.04) Depth: 7/8 00:00:00 4kN
29.Bd4+ Rf6 30.Re6 Nd7 31.Rde1 Ne5 32.R6xe5 Rh8 33.Rxe7+ Qxe7 34.Rxe7+ Kg8 35.Re8+ Kf7 36.Qxh8
+- (14.63) Depth: 8/11 00:00:00 6kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re2 Qf8 32.Rde1 Rf7 33.Re8 Nd7 34.Rxf8 Raxf8 35.Qe4
+- (3.52) Depth: 9/16 00:00:00 24kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Rd2 Qf8 32.Rde2 g4 33.Re8 Nd7 34.R1e7+ Rf7 35.Rxf7+ Kxf7 36.Rxf8+ Rxf8 37.Qxc6 Nf6 38.Qb7+ Kg8
+- (2.80) Depth: 10/20 00:00:00 34kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qxa2 33.Re7+ Rf7 34.Rxf7+ Qxf7 35.Rd8 Qg8 36.Rxg8+ Kxg8 37.Qe4 Kf7
+- (2.70) Depth: 11/24 00:00:00 87kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qxa2 33.Re7+ Rf7 34.Rxf7+ Qxf7 35.Rd8 Qg8 36.Rxg8+ Kxg8 37.Qh6 Kf7 38.Qh7+ Kf6
+- (2.90) Depth: 12/24 00:00:00 97kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qxa2 33.Re7+ Rf7 34.Rxf7+ Qxf7 35.Rd8 Qg8 36.Rxg8+ Kxg8 37.Qh6 a5 38.Qxg6+ Kf8 39.Qf5+ Ke7 40.Qxg5+ Kd6 41.Qf4+ Kc5 42.Qe5+ Kb6
+- (2.96) Depth: 13/28 00:00:00 107kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qxa2 33.Re7+ Rf7 34.Rxf7+ Qxf7 35.Rd8 Qg8 36.Rxg8+ Kxg8 37.Qh6 a6 38.Qxg6+ Kf8 39.Qf5+ Ke7 40.Qe5+ Kd8 41.Kh2
+- (3.77) Depth: 14/33 00:00:00 143kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qc5 33.Rd4 Rxf2 34.Qe4 Rf1+ 35.Kxf1 Qf5+ 36.Qxf5 gxf5 37.Rd8 Kf7 38.Rde8 a5 39.Kf2 Kg7
+- (3.88) Depth: 15/33 00:00:00 162kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qc5 33.Rd2 Rf7 34.Re8 Rf8 35.Rde2 Nd7 36.R8e7+ Qxe7 37.Rxe7+ Rf7 38.Rxf7+ Kxf7 39.Qxc6 Rd8 40.Qxb5 Nf8 41.Qxg5 Ne6 42.Qg4 Rd3 43.Qc4
+- (4.25) Depth: 16/35 00:00:00 260kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qc5 33.Rd2 Rf7 34.Re8 Rf8 35.Rde2 Nd7 36.R8e7+ Qxe7 37.Rxe7+ Rf7 38.Rxf7+ Kxf7 39.Qxc6 Rd8 40.Qxb5 Nf8 41.Qxg5 Ne6 42.Qe3
+- (4.25) Depth: 17/38 00:00:00 374kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qc5 33.Rd2 Rf7 34.Re8 Rf8 35.Rde2 Nd7 36.R8e7+ Qxe7 37.Rxe7+ Rf7 38.Rxf7+ Kxf7 39.Qxc6 Rd8 40.Qxb5 Nf8 41.Qxg5 Ne6 42.Qe3 Rd7 43.c4 Rc7 44.Qd3
+- (4.25) Depth: 18/38 00:00:00 464kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Qe4 Rxe8 33.Qxe8 Qf8 34.Qe5+ Qf6 35.Qc7+ Kh6 36.Qc8 Nd7 37.Qxa8 Ne5 38.Qd8 Ng4 39.Qxf6 Nxf6 40.Kg2 g4 41.Rd8 Kg5
+- (1.69) Depth: 19/44 00:00:01 2642kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Qe4 Rxe8 33.Qxe8 Qf8 34.Qe5+ Qf6 35.Qc7+ Kh6 36.Qc8 Nd7 37.Qxa8 Ne5 38.Qd8 Kg7 39.Qxf6+ Kxf6 40.Rd8 a5 41.Kf1 Ke7 42.Rh8 a4 43.Ke2 Kd6 44.Ke3 c5 45.Rc8
+- (1.75) Depth: 20/44 00:00:01 2858kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qc5 33.Rd2 g4 34.c4 bxc4 35.Qe4 Qf5 36.Re7+ Rf7 37.Rxf7+ Kxf7 38.Qxc4+ Qe6 39.Qf4+ Qf6 40.Qxg4 a6 41.Rd3 Kg7 42.Rf3 Qd6 43.Qc8 Nd7 44.Qxa8 Qd5 45.Rf4 Qd1+ 46.Kh2 Qh5+ 47.Rh4
+- (2.87) Depth: 21/45 00:00:01 4268kN
29.Bd4+
+- (2.17 ++) Depth: 22/47 00:00:03 8982kN
29.Bd4+
+- (2.67 ++) Depth: 22/47 00:00:03 9134kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Bxf6+ Rxf6 31.Re8 Rf8 32.Re6 Qc5 33.Rd2 g4 34.Qe4 Qf5 35.Re7+ Rf7 36.Qd4+ Qf6 37.Rxf7+ Kxf7 38.Qxg4 a6 39.Qd1 Ra7 40.Rd6 Nd7 41.Rxf6+ Nxf6 42.Qd6 Re7 43.Qxc6 Ne4 44.Kg2 Kg7 45.Qd5 Re8 46.Qd4+ Kf7
+- (3.09) Depth: 22/47 00:00:03 9508kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (3.01 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:03 10386kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (2.94 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:03 10444kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (2.82 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:03 11193kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (2.66 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:03 11254kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (2.44 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:03 11349kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (2.14 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:03 11407kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+- (1.77 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:04 11986kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+/- (1.27 --) Depth: 23/46 00:00:04 14373kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+/= (0.62 --) Depth: 23/49 00:00:06 20777kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6 30.Be5 Qxa2 31.Bd6 Nd7 32.Bxf8+ Nxf8 33.Qxc6 Rd8 34.Rxd8 Bxd8 35.Re8 Bf6 36.Rxf8 Qb1+ 37.Kh2 Qf5 38.Rc8 Qxf2+ 39.Qg2 Qf5 40.Rc7+ Kh6 41.Qh3+ Qxh3+ 42.Kxh3 a5 43.Rb7 Bxc3 44.Rxb5 Kh5 45.g4+ Kh6 46.Rc5 Be1 47.Rc7 Bf2 48.Rc2 Be1 49.Ra2 Bb4 50.Kg3 Be1+ 51.Kf3
+/- (0.89) Depth: 23/49 00:00:07 22444kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+/- (0.82 --) Depth: 24/49 00:00:07 24515kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+/- (0.74 --) Depth: 24/50 00:00:07 25184kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+/= (0.63 --) Depth: 24/50 00:00:08 25810kN
29.Bd4+ Bf6
+/= (0.47 --) Depth: 24/50 00:00:08 26706kN
29.Kg2
+/= (0.60 ++) Depth: 24/50 00:00:09 29071kN
29.Kg2
+/- (0.89 ++) Depth: 24/50 00:00:09 29460kN
29.Kg2
+/- (1.27 ++) Depth: 24/50 00:00:09 29976kN
29.Kg2
+- (1.77 ++) Depth: 24/50 00:00:09 31186kN
29.Kg2 Bf6 30.Qh3 Rh8 31.Qg4 Rh5 32.Qc8 Qxa2 33.Qb7+ Qf7 34.Qxa8 Nd7 35.Qxa7 Ne5 36.Qxf7+ Kxf7 37.Bd4 g4 38.Re4 Rf5 39.Rh1 Kg8 40.Rhe1 Nf3 41.Rd1 Ne5 42.Bxe5 Bxe5 43.Rxg4 Kf7
+- (2.12) Depth: 24/50 00:00:10 32117kN
29.Kg2
+- (2.20 ++) Depth: 25/37 00:00:11 35400kN
29.Kg2
+- (2.27 ++) Depth: 25/37 00:00:11 35436kN
29.Kg2
+- (2.39 ++) Depth: 25/37 00:00:11 36082kN
29.Kg2
+- (2.55 ++) Depth: 25/38 00:00:11 36536kN
29.Kg2
+- (2.76 ++) Depth: 25/38 00:00:11 37270kN
29.Kg2
+- (3.05 ++) Depth: 25/38 00:00:11 38565kN
29.Kg2
+- (3.44 ++) Depth: 25/43 00:00:12 41183kN
29.Kg2 Bf6
+- (2.05 --) Depth: 25/43 00:00:13 42729kN
29.Kg2
+- (2.99 ++) Depth: 25/43 00:00:14 45450kN
29.Kg2 Bc5
+/- (1.40 --) Depth: 25/48 00:00:15 49052kN
29.Kg2 Bc5 30.Qh3 Bxe3 31.Rxe3 Qc5 32.g4 Rf7 33.c4 Qf8 34.Rh1 Rxf2+ 35.Kg1 Rf1+ 36.Qxf1 Qxf1+ 37.Kxf1 bxc4 38.Re7+ Kg8 39.Rh6 c3 40.Rxg6+ Kf8 41.Re5 Kf7 42.Rgxg5 Nd7 43.Rgf5+ Kg8 44.Re6 c5 45.Rg6+ Kh7 46.Rd6 Nb6 47.Rh5+ Kg8 48.Rxc5 Rf8+ 49.Ke2
+- (2.51) Depth: 25/48 00:00:16 52708kN
29.Kg2 Bc5
+- (2.43 --) Depth: 26/49 00:00:17 55320kN
29.Kg2 Bc5
+- (2.36 --) Depth: 26/49 00:00:17 55568kN
29.Kg2 Bc5
+- (2.25 --) Depth: 26/49 00:00:17 56386kN
29.Qh3
+- (2.34 ++) Depth: 26/49 00:00:18 58626kN
29.Qh3
+- (2.55 ++) Depth: 26/49 00:00:18 59036kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (2.09 --) Depth: 26/49 00:00:18 61161kN
29.Qh3 Bf6 30.Kg2 Rh8 31.Qg4 Qf8 32.Bxg5 Rh5 33.Bf4 Bxc3 34.Re3 Qf5 35.Qxf5 Rxf5 36.Rxc3 g5 37.Bd6 Nd7 38.Rxc6 Re8 39.Bb4 Nf6 40.Bc5 Re2 41.Be3 Rxa2 42.Rh1 Kf7 43.Rh8 Ra4 44.Bc5 Rxc5 45.Rxc5 b4 46.Rxg5
+- (2.04) Depth: 26/49 00:00:20 68370kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (1.97 --) Depth: 27/34 00:00:21 70397kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (1.89 --) Depth: 27/34 00:00:21 71450kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (1.78 --) Depth: 27/36 00:00:22 73576kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (1.62 --) Depth: 27/36 00:00:23 76498kN
29.Qh3
+- (1.75 ++) Depth: 27/45 00:00:24 79283kN
29.Qh3
+- (2.04 ++) Depth: 27/45 00:00:24 79828kN
29.Qh3
+- (2.42 ++) Depth: 27/45 00:00:24 81744kN
29.Qh3 Bf6 30.Kg2 Rh8 31.Qg4 Qf8 32.Bxg5 Rh5 33.Bf4 Bxc3 34.Re3 Bf6 35.Rd6 Qf7 36.Re1 Kh7 37.Rh1 Bg7 38.Rxh5+ gxh5 39.Qf3 Na6 40.Qxc6 Rf8 41.Qxb5 Qf5 42.Qxa6 Qe4+ 43.f3 Qc2+ 44.Rd2 Qb1 45.Kh2 Rf7 46.Qe6 Qf5 47.Qc6 Bf6 48.Kg2 h4
+- (2.40) Depth: 27/48 00:00:25 82276kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (2.32 --) Depth: 28/44 00:00:26 86951kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (2.25 --) Depth: 28/44 00:00:26 87641kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (2.14 --) Depth: 28/48 00:00:27 88746kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (1.98 --) Depth: 28/48 00:00:27 89296kN
29.Qh3 Bf6
+- (1.76 --) Depth: 28/48 00:00:28 92021kN
29.Qh3 Bf6 30.Kg2 Rh8 31.Qg4 Qf8 32.Bxg5 Rh5 33.Bf4 Bxc3 34.Re3 Bf6 35.Rd6 Qf7 36.Rf3 Qf8 37.Bh6+ Rxh6 38.Rfxf6 Qxf6 39.Rxf6 Kxf6 40.Qf4+ Kg7 41.Qe5+ Kf7 42.Qc7+ Nd7 43.Qxd7+ Kg8 44.Qe6+ Kg7 45.Qxc6 Rf8 46.Qxb5 Rh5 47.Qb2+ Kh6 48.Qd2+ Kh7 49.Qd7+ Kg8 50.Qe6+ Kh7
+/- (1.50) Depth: 28/50 00:00:28 93380kN
29.Qh3
+/- (1.57 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:33 110mN
29.Qh3
+- (1.65 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:33 110mN
29.Qh3
+- (1.76 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:33 110mN
29.Qh3
+- (1.92 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:33 111mN
29.Qh3
+- (2.13 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:34 112mN
29.Qh3
+- (2.42 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:34 114mN
29.Qh3
+- (2.81 ++) Depth: 29/50 00:00:35 117mN
29.Qh3
+- (3.31 ++) Depth: 29/54 00:00:37 123mN
29.Qh3 Bf6 30.Kg2 Rh8 31.Qg4 Rh5 32.Qc8 Qxa2 33.Qb7+ Qf7 34.Qxa8 Nd7 35.Qxc6 Ne5 36.Qxb5 a6 37.Qd5 a5 38.Bxg5 Rxg5 39.f4 Rh5 40.fxe5 Be7 41.Qxf7+ Kxf7 42.Rd7 a4 43.Ra7 a3 44.Kf3 Ke6 45.Ra5 Rh3 46.Re4 g5 47.Ra6+ Kf7 48.Rd4 Rh2 49.Rd7 a2 50.Rda7
+- (3.79) Depth: 29/54 00:00:39 129mN
29.Qh3
+- (3.86 ++) Depth: 30/53 00:00:43 146mN

[Rebel]

Reposted with diagram included:

[D]rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29

Zero-the-Hero:
1/1 00:00 158 158k +6.17 Qh1-e4 Qa3xa2
2/2 00:00 334 334k +14.32 Qh1-e4 Qa3xc3 Qe4xe7+ Kg7-g8 Be3xg5
3/4 00:00 527 527k +11.36 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5
4/6 00:00 1k 1,302k +9.69 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qh1-e4 Kf6-g7
6/8 00:00 3k 1,473k +10.60 Be3-d4+ Rf8-f6 Re1-e6 Nb8-d7 Rd1-e1 Qa3xa2 Re6xe7+ Qa2-f7
7/10 00:00 8k 1,944k +8.35 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5 Be7xg5 Be3-d4+ Qc3xd4+ Rd1xd4 c6-c5
8/12 00:00 20k 2,171k +6.27 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Re1-e3 g5-g4 Qh1-h4 Bf6xd4 c3xd4 Rf8-h8 Re3-e7+ Qa3xe7

I have never seen such nonsense before.

What do you mean?

That was the Arena 3.5 output. It is what it is. I can post CB output, too, to compare.

I don't doubt you nor Arena but the (origin of the) engine and what kind of settings were used to produce such ridiculous scores in the early plies.

[carldaman]

Reposted with diagram included:

[D]rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29

Zero-the-Hero:
1/1 00:00 158 158k +6.17 Qh1-e4 Qa3xa2
2/2 00:00 334 334k +14.32 Qh1-e4 Qa3xc3 Qe4xe7+ Kg7-g8 Be3xg5
3/4 00:00 527 527k +11.36 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5
4/6 00:00 1k 1,302k +9.69 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qh1-e4 Kf6-g7
6/8 00:00 3k 1,473k +10.60 Be3-d4+ Rf8-f6 Re1-e6 Nb8-d7 Rd1-e1 Qa3xa2 Re6xe7+ Qa2-f7
7/10 00:00 8k 1,944k +8.35 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5 Be7xg5 Be3-d4+ Qc3xd4+ Rd1xd4 c6-c5
8/12 00:00 20k 2,171k +6.27 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Re1-e3 g5-g4 Qh1-h4 Bf6xd4 c3xd4 Rf8-h8 Re3-e7+ Qa3xe7

I have never seen such nonsense before.

What do you mean?

That was the Arena 3.5 output. It is what it is. I can post CB output, too, to compare.

I don't doubt you nor Arena but the (origin of the) engine and what kind of settings were used to produce such ridiculous scores in the early plies.

It is what it is. I'm showing it's possible to produce the same moves that AlphaZero did, using a strong alpha-beta engine. In the OpenTal thread there is an example of how it typically plays - very attractive attacking chess.

[Rebel]

Reposted with diagram included:

[D]rn3r2/p3b1k1/2p3p1/1p4p1/8/q1P1B1P1/P4P2/3RR1KQ w - - 0 29

Zero-the-Hero:
1/1 00:00 158 158k +6.17 Qh1-e4 Qa3xa2
2/2 00:00 334 334k +14.32 Qh1-e4 Qa3xc3 Qe4xe7+ Kg7-g8 Be3xg5
3/4 00:00 527 527k +11.36 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5
4/6 00:00 1k 1,302k +9.69 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Bd4xf6+ Kg7xf6 Qh1-e4 Kf6-g7
6/8 00:00 3k 1,473k +10.60 Be3-d4+ Rf8-f6 Re1-e6 Nb8-d7 Rd1-e1 Qa3xa2 Re6xe7+ Qa2-f7
7/10 00:00 8k 1,944k +8.35 f2-f4 Qa3xc3 f4xg5 Be7xg5 Be3-d4+ Qc3xd4+ Rd1xd4 c6-c5
8/12 00:00 20k 2,171k +6.27 Be3-d4+ Be7-f6 Re1-e3 g5-g4 Qh1-h4 Bf6xd4 c3xd4 Rf8-h8 Re3-e7+ Qa3xe7

I have never seen such nonsense before.

What do you mean?

That was the Arena 3.5 output. It is what it is. I can post CB output, too, to compare.

I don't doubt you nor Arena but the (origin of the) engine and what kind of settings were used to produce such ridiculous scores in the early plies.

It is what it is. I'm showing it's possible to produce the same moves that AlphaZero did, using a strong alpha-beta engine. In the OpenTal thread there is an example of how it typically plays - very attractive attacking chess.

And ZTH default would crush ZTH with the settings you used here, not true?