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Gary Kasparov on Deep Thinking ... 12/13/2017 ...

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https://en.chessbase.com/post/kasparov- ... g-in-chess

Kasparov on Deep Learning in chess

by Frederic Friedel

12/13/2017

quotes from the article...

The process for maturing as a chess player today is much shorter. You have grandmasters who are 14, 15, who know much more today than Bobby Fischer knew forty years ago.

Kasparov's Law: a human plus a machine will beat a super-computer quite handily. It's all about interface, it's about empowering machines with our creativity. The result could be phenomenal.

Advanced Chess: it sounds ironic but you don't need a very strong player to get the best result of human plus machine combination. It sounds like heresy, but I would say you don't want a strong player. You need a good operator, a decent player who will guide the machine — not use the machine to back up his or her own ideas, to maximize the effect of the machine's play.

The game of chess is an ultimate endgame with 32 pieces.

Today I still think that Magnus with white on a good day will probably secure a draw against the machine.
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Re: Gary Kasparov on Deep Thinking ... 12/13/2017 ...

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pilgrimdan wrote:https://en.chessbase.com/post/kasparov- ... g-in-chess

Kasparov on Deep Learning in chess

by Frederic Friedel

12/13/2017

quotes from the article...

The process for maturing as a chess player today is much shorter. You have grandmasters who are 14, 15, who know much more today than Bobby Fischer knew forty years ago.

Kasparov's Law: a human plus a machine will beat a super-computer quite handily. It's all about interface, it's about empowering machines with our creativity. The result could be phenomenal.

Advanced Chess: it sounds ironic but you don't need a very strong player to get the best result of human plus machine combination. It sounds like heresy, but I would say you don't want a strong player. You need a good operator, a decent player who will guide the machine — not use the machine to back up his or her own ideas, to maximize the effect of the machine's play.

The game of chess is an ultimate endgame with 32 pieces.

Today I still think that Magnus with white on a good day will probably secure a draw against the machine.
Kasparov seems to have absolutely delusional and retarded point of view on anything in life outside of chess pattern recognition, i.e. in anything related to real life. He's not much better in understanding real life than Alpha0, and certainly much worse in chess than it...
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Re: Gary Kasparov on Deep Thinking ... 12/13/2017 ...

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pilgrimdan wrote:
Today I still think that Magnus with white on a good day will probably secure a draw against the machine.
Count the conditions in that sentence :lol:
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Re: Gary Kasparov on Deep Thinking ... 12/13/2017 ...

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pilgrimdan wrote:
Kasparov's Law: a human plus a machine will beat a super-computer quite handily
He might act OTB-chess promoter, not as scientist.

Anyway, here is full interview for this quote:

http://www.kasparov.com/garry-kasparova ... 24th-2017/
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Re: Gary Kasparov on Deep Thinking ... 12/13/2017 ...

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yurikvelo wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:
Kasparov's Law: a human plus a machine will beat a super-computer quite handily
He might act OTB-chess promoter, not as scientist.

Anyway, here is full interview for this quote:

http://www.kasparov.com/garry-kasparova ... 24th-2017/
thanks for the link...
some interesting quotes from Kasparov from the article...

we do many things without knowing exactly how we do them...
so this is the area where machines are vulnerable...
because it still has to learn from some kind of experience...
it needs something — at least the rules of the game...
you have to bring in something that will help the machine to start learning...
it’s like square one...
if there’s nothing there... if you can’t explain it...
that’s a problem...
machines could have the best algorithms in the universe
but it will never have purpose...
and the problem is for us to explain purpose to a machine
we don’t know what our purpose is