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Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:59 pm

oops, SF still leading by 400.5/800, a full clearly distinguished half a point, so my first thoughts SF will still outperform H might be true, though all this might be very well just statistical noise.

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by JJJ » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:01 pm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
IWB wrote:www.inwoba.de is updated now!

Ingo
time for a scientific second run now, including Houdini contempt 0 and latest SF dev.
Yeah, I d like to see that too :)

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by JJJ » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:04 pm

Anyway dear Lyudmil, we gonna have to wait for fast.gm to relase their result. I predict Stockfish dev being better than houdini at bullet, after that, I don't know what will be the result at 10 min or 60 min.

Ah ! And I forgot Stockfish dev was not tested at 10 min and 60 min !

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Laskos » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:09 pm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:oops, SF still leading by 400.5/800, a full clearly distinguished half a point, so my first thoughts SF will still outperform H might be true, though all this might be very well just statistical noise.
I maybe didn't express myself properly. I try to see the scaling with time control, although the number of games will be insufficient for higher time controls. The first test was at 15''+ 0.15'', and Houdini lost, although by not that significant margin. The second test was at 60''+ 0.6'', and Houdini won, also with not that significant margin. The combined result is that on this time control span, the scaling is better for Houdini fairly significantly. 240''+ 2.4'' is probably the maximum I can get as time control with my CPU resources and time. We have to wait for FGRL results of Andreas.

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by h1a8 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:47 am

h1a8 wrote:
Houdini wrote:Houdini 6 has been released today.
More information on our web page http://www.cruxis.com/chess/houdini.htm .
Also in the updated User's Manual: http://www.cruxis.com/chess/manual/index.html .

Make sure to refresh the browser cache using F5 or Ctrl-F5 to get the most recent page.

Thank you for reading,
Robert
Any plans on releasing Houdini 6 for ios? We desperately need a top engine for analysis for such power Apple has on its devices.
Hopefully it will be part of an app that supports multiple arrow analysis and drag and drop moving.

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by david » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:30 am

hi there

thanks very much for this release.

I have a ryzen 1800 cpu and "x64-popc" is apparently the version of H6 that is installed.

however, at an early stage, H6 isn't doing so well against Stockfish 8 at 15 minute games. (H6 8 vs. S8 9); which is surprising.

There was an earlier thread which suggested that you had to choose the right executable for ryzen for stockfish (http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... n+popcount). Is there some way of checking which is the right H6 version for Ryzen ?

cheers
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Houdini » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:02 am

david wrote:I have a ryzen 1800 cpu and "x64-popc" is apparently the version of H6 that is installed.
Correct.
AMD Ryzen officially supports BMI2 instructions, but their implementation is very slow (the instructions are emulated, if I understand correctly). On Ryzen the BMI2 or "pext" compiles are about 20% slower than the POPCOUNT or "popc" compiles. The Houdini Setup is aware of this and will install the "popc" compile on AMD Ryzen.
david wrote:however, at an early stage, H6 isn't doing so well against Stockfish 8 at 15 minute games. (H6 8 vs. S8 9); which is surprising.
The variability of engine matches is huge, that's why rating lists are comprised of thousands of games. Even after 100 games the error margins are close to ±40 Elo.

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by CheckersGuy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:03 pm

Will there be minor patches leading up to TCEC Robert ? :lol: You surely haven`t shown all you cards yet, have you ?

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Leo » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:37 pm

CheckersGuy wrote:Will there be minor patches leading up to TCEC Robert ? :lol: You surely haven`t shown all you cards yet, have you ?
There are minor patches between TCEC rounds, not leading up to it. And why would he tell you if he had shown all his cards?
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by CheckersGuy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:56 pm

Leo wrote:
CheckersGuy wrote:Will there be minor patches leading up to TCEC Robert ? :lol: You surely haven`t shown all you cards yet, have you ?
There are minor patches between TCEC rounds, not leading up to it. And why would he tell you if he had shown all his cards?
First of all I didnt expect Houdart to tell me or anyone else I just hoped that he would :P
Secondly, where did Robert confirm that he will update Houdini between TCEC rounds ? Robert can surely patch H6 before TCEC starts or in between rounds if he wants to....

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