Stockfish bench in i486 & Pentium 75mhz !

[lkaufman]

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo.

That sounds unbelievable to me. Can you cite evidence for this 2400 figure? One ply is so tactically weak that I can't imagine how this could be even close to correct. I may run some tests myself.

[mwyoung]

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo.

That sounds unbelievable to me. Can you cite evidence for this 2400 figure? One ply is so tactically weak that I can't imagine how this could be even close to correct. I may run some tests myself.

Do not be distressed. Tactics still rule!

Mephisto Gideon Professional 2445 Elo is smashing Stockfish NNUE at 1 ply into little Stockfish NNUE meatballs.

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Result:
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  #  name                                                      games    wins   draws  losses   score    los%  elo+/-
  1. Mephisto Gideon Professional (1993) for Winboard and UCI      8       8       0       0     8.0     0.0     0.0
  2. Stockfish 141020                                              8       0       0       8     0.0     0.0     0.0

Cross table:
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  #  name                                                         score   games         1         2
  1. Mephisto Gideon Professional (1993) for Winboard and UCI       8.0       8         x  11111111
  2. Stockfish 141020                                               0.0       8  00000000         x

Tech:
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Tech (average nodes, depths, time/m per move, others per game), counted for computing moves only, ignored moves with zero nodes:
  #  name                                                        nodes/m         NPS  depth/m   time/m    moves     time
  1. Mephisto Gideon Professional (1993) for Winboard and UCI     14963K     1397397     10.3     10.7     19.1    204.8
  2. Stockfish 141020                                                 4K      363629      1.0      0.0     20.5      0.2
     all ---                                                       7054K     1396278      5.5      5.2     19.8    102.5

[mwyoung]

I would like to see Stockfish run on a 6502 so we can try out how it plays against the old 8 bit dedicated chess computers.

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo. That is at least 500 Elo above the best dedicated chess computers.
SF-NNUE on 6502 would have for sure more than 1000nodes per move. It wouldn't be any contest, it would be a slaughter.

You could not even engine test your way out of a paper bag. And your engine testing are as spot on as your conclusions.
As usual!

Sargon from 1978 vs Stockfish NNUE @ 1 ply (TC=5m+5s)

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[mclane]

So the data that stockfish has 2400 ELO on 6502 are highly overestimated.

But Dave Kittinger, Ed Schroeder did really a good job getting the most out of the 5 MHz 6502.

[mwyoung]

So the data that stockfish has 2400 ELO on 6502 are highly overestimated.

But Dave Kittinger, Ed Schroeder did really a good job getting the most out of the 5 MHz 6502.

Yes, they were awesome! And do not forget Dan and Kathe Spracklen! The programmers of Sargon that is currently playing Stockfish NNUE @ 1 ply

Fidelity Elite Avant Garde Mobile Master (1986)

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MANUFACTURER

PROGRAMMER

Fidelity Electronics, Ltd.

Dan & Kathe Spracklen

2000

1986

$2495.00

1835

Year:

MFR ELO:

Original Price:

Wiki ELO:

Model #:

6081

My Serial #:

60388008

Processor OEM

MOS Tech.

Processor:

6502

Speed:

Type:

8 Bit

5 MHz

ROM:

28 KB

RAM:

16 KB

Battery Type:

Not Available

Power Adapter:

9V DC +/-

Display:

2 LCD + 64 LEDs

Board Type:

Magnet Sensory

Overall Size:

Board Size:

14x14 in

19x18x1.5/8 in

Options Select:

Button Select

Play Levels:

Preset + User

Opening Book:

8160 Half Moves

Take Back:

Complete Game

Position Setup:

Available

Position Verify:

Available

Move Analysis:

Display Info:

Available

Available

Solve Mate:

Mate in 15

Save Game:

Available

Ponder:

Available

Search Depth:

15 ply max.

Provide Hint:

Available

Teach Mode:

Not available

Change Sides:

Available

Active Level:

TM Level:

A6

Infinite Level:

B1

A3

Hardware Specification

Game Features

[lkaufman]

I would like to see Stockfish run on a 6502 so we can try out how it plays against the old 8 bit dedicated chess computers.

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo. That is at least 500 Elo above the best dedicated chess computers.
SF-NNUE on 6502 would have for sure more than 1000nodes per move. It wouldn't be any contest, it would be a slaughter.

You could not even engine test your way out of a paper bag. And your engine testing are as spot on as your conclusions.
As usual!

Sargon from 1978 vs Stockfish NNUE @ 1 ply (TC=5m+5s)

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Sargon from 1978?? My recollection was that in 1978 the best chess computer one could buy ( excluding million dollar computers or the like) was no better than 1500 (probably much worse), and that was with 2 hours; at 5+5 should be like 1000 or worse. SF one ply shouldn't be that bad! What am I missing here? Chess computers one could buy weren't half-decent until early 1980s, unless my memory is quite wrong.

[mclane]

Could be sargon 1978 is the sargon that was published as BOOK by the spracklens.

Wasn’t it done/written in assembler and published in a book before the spracklen did business with fidelity ?

Because in 1978 fidelity was still using ron Nelsons chess engine on 8088 or z80 While spracklen used 6502.

FIDELITY did Chess chess challenger 1-8 and Chess Challenger 10.
Then came chess challenger 9 with 6502 and spracklen program. That was 1982.

Before was Fidelity Voice Sensory Chess Challenger with z80 and ron nelson in 1980
and almost same case but now spracklen inside

Fidelity Champion Sensory Chess Challenger With 6502 and spracklen engine in 1981.

[mwyoung]

I would like to see Stockfish run on a 6502 so we can try out how it plays against the old 8 bit dedicated chess computers.

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo. That is at least 500 Elo above the best dedicated chess computers.
SF-NNUE on 6502 would have for sure more than 1000nodes per move. It wouldn't be any contest, it would be a slaughter.

You could not even engine test your way out of a paper bag. And your engine testing are as spot on as your conclusions.
As usual!

Sargon from 1978 vs Stockfish NNUE @ 1 ply (TC=5m+5s)

Live feed:

Sargon from 1978?? My recollection was that in 1978 the best chess computer one could buy ( excluding million dollar computers or the like) was no better than 1500 (probably much worse), and that was with 2 hours; at 5+5 should be like 1000 or worse. SF one ply shouldn't be that bad! What am I missing here? Chess computers one could buy weren't half-decent until early 1980s, unless my memory is quite wrong.

You are correct about 1200 Elo and more if you are confusing the USCF rating. But as you know 5 full width sucky plies, and better then 1 really smart ply. And at this level tactics rule.

[Milos]

I would like to see Stockfish run on a 6502 so we can try out how it plays against the old 8 bit dedicated chess computers.

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo. That is at least 500 Elo above the best dedicated chess computers.
SF-NNUE on 6502 would have for sure more than 1000nodes per move. It wouldn't be any contest, it would be a slaughter.

You could not even engine test your way out of a paper bag. And your engine testing are as spot on as your conclusions.
As usual!

Sargon from 1978 vs Stockfish NNUE @ 1 ply (TC=5m+5s)

Live feed:

Sargon from 1978?? My recollection was that in 1978 the best chess computer one could buy ( excluding million dollar computers or the like) was no better than 1500 (probably much worse), and that was with 2 hours; at 5+5 should be like 1000 or worse. SF one ply shouldn't be that bad! What am I missing here? Chess computers one could buy weren't half-decent until early 1980s, unless my memory is quite wrong.

You are missing that a retard is playing an engine called Sargon on 2950x CPU and has 50kN/s. As usual all his tests are outright fake.

[mwyoung]

I would like to see Stockfish run on a 6502 so we can try out how it plays against the old 8 bit dedicated chess computers.

SF-NNUE depth 1 which is 500-1000 nodes is 2400Elo. That is at least 500 Elo above the best dedicated chess computers.
SF-NNUE on 6502 would have for sure more than 1000nodes per move. It wouldn't be any contest, it would be a slaughter.

You could not even engine test your way out of a paper bag. And your engine testing are as spot on as your conclusions.
As usual!

Sargon from 1978 vs Stockfish NNUE @ 1 ply (TC=5m+5s)

Live feed:

Sargon from 1978?? My recollection was that in 1978 the best chess computer one could buy ( excluding million dollar computers or the like) was no better than 1500 (probably much worse), and that was with 2 hours; at 5+5 should be like 1000 or worse. SF one ply shouldn't be that bad! What am I missing here? Chess computers one could buy weren't half-decent until early 1980s, unless my memory is quite wrong.

You are missing that a retard is playing an engine called Sargon on 2950x CPU and has 50kN/s. As usual all his tests are outright fake.

I know, and did you see the fake Mephisto Gideon professional by Ed Schröder crush Stockfish even worse....Ask Ed if MGP is also fake.

You can download the "fake" Sargon for UCI here. https://chessengines.blogspot.com/2020/ ... n-100.html