Man or human being versus asmFishW machine 2017-04-03

[MikeB]

This is totally fake. On move 25. Nb5 is 39. out 40. move choice for SF even at depths below 20, and that is also the case at depth 24 where the move has been allegedly played. Literally every other move is a better choice!!!
Even if SF played totally random move it would be stronger than that.
So there is no way SF actually played that move. Ergo this game is totally fake and fabricated.

Those are harsh words, food for thought , if you are using multipv at value greater than 1, that will change the search and very often produce different results that what was played in the game. As one example, McBrain2.2c (a SF engine) holds Nb5 from move 18 at 2.91 seconds until past move 30 at 2:49.40 with setting of multipv set to one . Why the rush to judgement for a long-time poster that almost always makes legitimate and interesting posts?

[Milos]

This is totally fake. On move 25. Nb5 is 39. out 40. move choice for SF even at depths below 20, and that is also the case at depth 24 where the move has been allegedly played. Literally every other move is a better choice!!!
Even if SF played totally random move it would be stronger than that.
So there is no way SF actually played that move. Ergo this game is totally fake and fabricated.

Those are harsh words, food for thought , if you are using multipv at value greater than 1, that will change the search and very often produce different results that what was played in the game. As one example, McBrain2.2c (a SF engine) holds Nb5 from move 18 at 2.91 seconds until past move 30 at 2:49.40 with setting of multipv set to one . Why the rush to judgement for a long-time poster that almost always makes legitimate and interesting posts?

In closed games where 20+ moves have score that differs +/- 5cp you can claim any move could be played, but is it really that's a another question. What was played in the game depends on many factors, TC, time left for particular move, SMP, hash size, what was in the hash from previous moves, etc., etc. And all that only if engine is legitimate which is always very dubious coz it's an online game.
Nb5 is a terrible move from many perspectives. It gives away white's strong knight leaving it with bad bishop and almost no way to brake the pawn wall. In addition it completely blocks queenside. Yes SF needs a bit of time to see that if it starts from an empty hash. However, in the game hash was not empty so that makes it much less probable that the given move was actually played.

[Milos]

[d]r2q1nk1/1pb2rnp/3p1p1B/pPpPp1pP/4P1P1/PP1BNP2/6K1/R2Q3R b - - 0 26

btw., above, black can even win, if it avoids playing b6, and instead proceeds with 26...Ne8. if white does not immediately capture on f8, something an engine would never do, as Bh6 is more valuable than Nf8, and the black winning lines is simply too long for engines to see, then black wins by transferring one knigth via e8-c7-a8-b6-c8-e7-g8 (Kh8 is played first, freeing g8 square), capturing the very much trapped h6 white bishop, and challenging an f5 white knigth with the other knigth on e7.

why did not you win the game this way?

And while you do all of that "manoeuvring" which for both knights takes at least 15 moves in total, white captures a5 pawn and totally destroys queenside making you loose the game well before you manage to capture that knight on h6. You are really hilarious with your chess "wisdom". So funny when some Bulgarian chess half-amateur that once had some inflated FIDE rating of 2100 Elo probably earned in a same fashion as Boris Ivanov starts persuading ppl he's smarter than 3400 Elo monsters...

[Father]

Thanks Carl.

I observe now, than there are some specialist in the forum, who resist accepting the evidence them, ther resist the truth and the reality in man versus machine, on the Race Between Machine and Man, and the competence results in the marathon or race bertween machine and man across the history.

Some of them(people) believe and are thinking that the machines are invincible. How wrong they are. !!!!

My job in chess is now and has been to find the achilles heel of computers.

I have for 40 years playing computers and proving and playing many time, proving that the imagination of human intelligence can destroy the best chess compùters algorithms and the super hardwares.

But the unbelievers are reluctant to believe and accept the irrefutable proof of the truth.

All of them reminds to me some people that denial in the human being history, the evidence that Jesus has risen, evidenced by the means of testimony of many people that were there.

There are those persons who believe that the sun does not produce the light of the days, that the moon does not rotate around the earth, that the oceans have not water, and that in the deserts usually there are just a few wather that produce the rain.

Today I wonder if chess computers really know how to play chess. My answer is: If you want to beat a feline, you must climb to the top of a tree, and catch the feline with a thin net.

Carl: I want to wish you a happy Easter.

Respectfully,


Pablo

[Leo]

Thanks Carl.

I observe now, than there are some specialist in the forum, who resist accepting the evidence them, ther resist the truth and the reality in man versus machine, on the Race Between Machine and Man, and the competence results in the marathon or race bertween machine and man across the history.

Some of them(people) believe and are thinking that the machines are invincible. How wrong they are. !!!!

My job in chess is now and has been to find the achilles heel of computers.

I have for 40 years playing computers and proving and playing many time, proving that the imagination of human intelligence can destroy the best chess compùters algorithms and the super hardwares.

But the unbelievers are reluctant to believe and accept the irrefutable proof of the truth.

All of them reminds to me some people that denial in the human being history, the evidence that Jesus has risen, evidenced by the means of testimony of many people that were there.

There are those persons who believe that the sun does not produce the light of the days, that the moon does not rotate around the earth, that the oceans have not water, and that in the deserts usually there are just a few wather that produce the rain.

Today I wonder if chess computers really know how to play chess. My answer is: If you want to beat a feline, you must climb to the top of a tree, and catch the feline with a thin net.

Carl: I want to wish you a happy Easter.

Respectfully,


Pablo

That A.R.B guy says he beats computers all the time with his system. I use his system in online matches.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

[d]r2q1nk1/1pb2rnp/3p1p1B/pPpPp1pP/4P1P1/PP1BNP2/6K1/R2Q3R b - - 0 26

btw., above, black can even win, if it avoids playing b6, and instead proceeds with 26...Ne8. if white does not immediately capture on f8, something an engine would never do, as Bh6 is more valuable than Nf8, and the black winning lines is simply too long for engines to see, then black wins by transferring one knigth via e8-c7-a8-b6-c8-e7-g8 (Kh8 is played first, freeing g8 square), capturing the very much trapped h6 white bishop, and challenging an f5 white knigth with the other knigth on e7.

why did not you win the game this way?

And while you do all of that "manoeuvring" which for both knights takes at least 15 moves in total, white captures a5 pawn and totally destroys queenside making you loose the game well before you manage to capture that knight on h6. You are really hilarious with your chess "wisdom". So funny when some Bulgarian chess half-amateur that once had some inflated FIDE rating of 2100 Elo probably earned in a same fashion as Boris Ivanov starts persuading ppl he's smarter than 3400 Elo monsters...

to just remind you, on above diagram, a5 black pawn is defended by 3! black pieces(Ra8,Bc7,Qd8 via x-ray), and not attacked by a single! white piece. (so talking about capturing is ... I do not know what)

there is time man, there is time, when black attacks white b5 pawn after Ne8-c7 (first you remove the c7 bishop), white should defend it with a3-a4, after which the position is perfectly blocked and black has all the time in the world.

Weak or strong, at least I spotted the manoeuver, no one else did, and your 3400-elo monsters do not even have a clue...

[Father]

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