Houdini 5 has been released

[Daniel Anulliero]

Current results of IPON so far! (235 out of 3300 played)

http://www.inwoba.de/H5.html

SF8- 3297
K10.2-3264
H5-3247
Far beyond stockfish, Oops.

But it is saying now
Houdini-SF 8- +10 -16

So SF8 is crushing it!

+10 -16 was 38%
Now is 40,7%
But indeed I think Stockfish is stronger

[Houdini]

6. Indeed H5 has 3 losses on time in 480 games. That is below 1% ... overall. All 3 cases would be draws. It lost 1.5 points out of 480 possible ... not even worth mentioning it. But I will keep an eye on it!
Ingo

That's unexpected, if the number increases further I will have to make an update to add a bit more security in the time management.

As for the "200 Elo" improvement claim, that's a measure in the best case scenario (self-play with 1 thread at super-fast TC).

It's rather difficult to produce a meaningful estimate of the Elo difference when the test conditions can vary immensely (TC, opponents, number of threads). In the TCEC chat I've always been reluctant to quote a value, it just doesn't mean a lot. Then again, the first thing people always ask is "how many Elo stronger" .

If the measured results by the rating lists are too different from the "marketing" 200 Elo value, I'll definitely update the web page; maybe 150 Elo is more accurate in a real situation against many opponents at normal time controls.

Thank you all for your support,
Robert

[Hurnavich]

I'm having time losses in 5 min and 3 min games

[Guenther]

Current results of IPON so far! (235 out of 3300 played)

http://www.inwoba.de/H5.html

SF8- 3297
K10.2-3264
H5-3247
Far beyond stockfish, Oops.

But it is saying now
Houdini-SF 8- +10 -16

So SF8 is crushing it!

+10 -16 was 38%
Now is 40,7%
But indeed I think Stockfish is stronger

OTH it overperforms against Komodo 10.2!

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Houdini 5 - Komodo 10.2 (3264)		25.0	-	16.0		60.98%		Perf=3341

[Houdini]

I'm having time losses in 5 min and 3 min games

With or without time increment?

[MikeB]

Current results of IPON so far! (235 out of 3300 played)

http://www.inwoba.de/H5.html

SF8- 3297
K10.2-3264
H5-3247
Far beyond stockfish, Oops.

But it is saying now
Houdini-SF 8- +10 -16

So SF8 is crushing it!

+10 -16 was 38%
Now is 40,7%
But indeed I think Stockfish is stronger

OTH it overperforms against Komodo 10.2!

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Houdini 5 - Komodo 10.2 (3264)		25.0	-	16.0		60.98%		Perf=3341

Seeing similar result vs K10.2 at micro TC 15 /0.25 ...this is running H5 32bit under wine on macOS.

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500 game(s) loaded
Rank Name                    Rating   Δ     +    -     #     Σ    Σ%     W    L    D   W%    =%   OppR 
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   1 Houdini 5 Pro w32-popc   3114   0.0    9    9   500  271.5  54.3  120   77  303  24.0  60.6  3086 
   2 Komodo 10.2 64-bit       3086  28.4    9    9   500  228.5  45.7   77  120  303  15.4  60.6  3114 
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[Damir]

No time losses here of any kind..

[Hurnavich]

Without time increment 3min to the death games

[Damir]

Not unless you guys are using Arena GUI which can be very buggy and cause not just Houdini to lose on time, but many other engines as well...

[Hurnavich]

fritz 14 GUI

I test more see how it goes but a little more time management
Security would be good Komodo has a setting to compensate,
I think not that I needed it.