2 Komodo Games: Larry's and Mark's opinions welcome

[TShackel]

Hi, here are two games played on my personal laptop tournament between houdini 4.00 and Komodo 10.1. I just wanted to point out how these games illustrate how far komodo has come in positional play, active piece play, closed position play, and attacking play. The 2nd game is a typical komodo win, and the first one is quite amazing.

In the first game, the first thing I want to emphasize is the good positional play out of the opening and good development. Then by move 20. Kh1, and 21. g4! was a shot out of the blue to find something on the kingside. The next thing I want to emphasize, is 22. Bb1!!. I give it two exclamation points because most computere would give this a bad score because it buries the bishop. But Komodo saw a good strategy. With it's next two moves Ne2! and c3! the b1 bishop is now a strong paticipant in the attack on KS. My congratulations to Mark and Larry for creating this genius of a chess program. It's game over by the time 28. Nf5 happened. A genius strategy by Komodo in this game.

[pgn][White "Komodo 10.1 64-bit"]
[Black "Houdini 4 x64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "0.41;0.36"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[TimeControl "5400+20"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz 2494 MHz W=30.9 plies; 4,414kN/s;
ShortLines.ctg B=24.3 plies; 6,104kN/s; ShortLines.ctg} 1. d4 {B 0} d6 {B 0}
2. e4 {B 0} Nf6 {B 0} 3. Nc3 {B 0} e5 {B 0} 4. Nf3 {B 0} Nbd7 {B 0} 5. Bc4 {B 0
} Be7 {B 0} 6. O-O {B 0} O-O {B 0 Both last book move} 7. a4 {0.41/26 143} c6 {
0.36/26 357 (exd4)} 8. Re1 {0.41/27 398 (a5)} a5 {0.34/24 205 (h6)} 9. h3 {0.
39/27 179} exd4 {0.42/25 248 (Nb6)} 10. Qxd4 {0.45/28 97} Qb6 {0.42/25 100} 11.
Be3 {0.47/31 216 (Bf4)} Qb4 {0.42/26 187 (Qxd4)} 12. Na2 {0.49/30 159 (Bd2)}
Qc5 {0.29/25 64} 13. Qd3 {0.57/31 114} Qh5 {0.31/26 81 (Ne5)} 14. Nc3 {0.50/31
180} Re8 {0.30/25 63 (Ne5)} 15. Rad1 {0.57/31 148 (Qd1)} Bf8 {0.32/25 61} 16.
Qe2 {0.56/32 174} h6 {0.29/25 117 (Ne5)} 17. Nd2 {0.37/28 114} Qg6 {0.22/26 508
} 18. Ba2 {0.34/30 241 (Kh2)} Nc5 {0.22/25 90} 19. Qf3 {0.40/27 61} Nfd7 {0.23/
25 333} 20. Kh1 {0.47/29 155 (Bxc5)} Na6 {0.19/26 75 (Nb6)} 21. g4 {0.64/26 69
(Nc4)} Nb4 {0.16/22 58} 22. Bb1 {0.79/26 65} b6 {0.28/24 235} 23. Ne2 {0.92/27
79 (Qg3)} Na6 {0.11/24 62 (Qf6)} 24. c3 {0.90/27 151 (Ba2)} Nac5 {0.33/25 382}
25. Qg2 {0.92/27 67} Bb7 {0.56/25 452 (Nxa4)} 26. f4 {1.13/27 98 (e5)} Rab8 {
0.50/23 85} 27. Nd4 {1.13/28 290} Qh7 {0.56/22 99} 28. Nf5 {1.68/29 202 (e5)}
h5 {1.76/22 156 (g6)} 29. g5 {2.88/28 124 (Bxc5)} g6 {2.52/21 132 (h4)} 30.
Nh6+ {3.45/26 97} Bxh6 {3.22/21 137} 31. gxh6 {3.75/27 108} Qxh6 {3.47/20 177}
32. Nc4 {3.83/28 55} Nxe4 {3.32/22 75 (d5)} 33. Bxe4 {4.22/32 157 (f5)} Rxe4 {
3.10/24 30} 34. Nxd6 {4.40/33 73} Re7 {3.18/25 30} 35. Nf5 {4.61/33 55} Qf8 {
3.18/24 0} 36. Nxe7+ {4.76/33 54} Qxe7 {3.06/23 3} 37. Bf2 {4.78/34 48 (Bxb6)}
Qd8 {4.23/23 30} 38. Kh2 {4.81/34 49} Qc7 {5.27/24 104} 39. Re7 {5.06/34 88} c5
{5.58/25 36} 40. Rexd7 {5.35/32 71} Qxd7 {5.51/24 0} 41. Rxd7 {5.50/33 56} Bxg2
{4.85/23 4} 42. Kxg2 {5.51/33 66} Kf8 {4.58/25 131 (Re8)} 43. c4 {6.59/32 127
(Kf3)} f6 {5.99/26 232 (Re8)} 44. Kf3 {7.01/33 100} g5 {6.00/24 71} 45. Be3 {
7.20/32 36 (fxg5)} gxf4 {6.09/26 99} 46. Kxf4 {7.60/33 45 (Bxf4)} Re8 {7.07/27
194} 47. Rd6 {8.17/35 113} f5 {5.75/25 100} 48. b3 {8.35/35 36} Re4+ {6.48/25
28} 49. Kf3 {8.39/39 44} Rh4 {6.76/25 23} 50. Kg3 {8.83/39 81 (Rxb6)} Re4 {7.
54/26 79} 51. Bf2 {8.83/43 59} Kf7 {7.52/26 30 (Re2)} 52. Rxb6 {9.67/36 70} 1-0

[Event "TIMSPC, Blitz 90m+20s"]
[Site "TIMSPC"]
[Date "2016.08.27"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 10.1 64-bit"]
[Black "Houdini 4 x64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B08"]
[Annotator "0.56;0.45"]
[PlyCount "100"]
[TimeControl "5400+20"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz 2493 MHz W=29.6 plies; 3,337kN/s;
ShortLines.ctg B=25.3 plies; 5,066kN/s; ShortLines.ctg} 1. e4 {B 0} d6 {B 0}
2. d4 {B 0} Nf6 {B 0} 3. Nc3 {B 0} g6 {B 0} 4. Nf3 {B 0} Bg7 {B 0} 5. Be2 {B 0}
O-O {B 0} 6. O-O {B 0} Bg4 {B 0 Both last book move} 7. h3 {0.56/29 213} Bxf3 {
0.45/25 101} 8. Bxf3 {0.56/28 52} Nc6 {0.44/26 113 (c6)} 9. Ne2 {0.65/26 82}
Re8 {0.49/27 74 (e5)} 10. c3 {0.61/27 95} Qd7 {0.55/25 120 (e5)} 11. Re1 {0.79/
27 330 (Be3)} e5 {0.51/26 73 (a5)} 12. d5 {0.83/29 98} Nb8 {0.53/28 121 (Ne7)}
13. c4 {0.82/29 86 (Be3)} a5 {0.59/26 112} 14. Nc3 {0.83/28 73} Qe7 {0.56/26
132 (Na6)} 15. Be3 {0.79/29 121} Na6 {0.60/27 145} 16. Rb1 {0.78/30 486} Nd7 {
0.60/27 142} 17. a3 {0.79/31 145} f5 {0.59/25 197} 18. Qc2 {0.79/30 205 (b4)}
f4 {0.62/24 97} 19. Bd2 {0.80/29 68} Nb6 {0.69/25 277 (Kh8)} 20. Be2 {0.96/28
106} h5 {0.70/25 65 (Reb8)} 21. b4 {1.14/29 193} axb4 {0.70/25 106} 22. axb4 {
1.15/30 164} Nd7 {0.87/25 132 (Kh7)} 23. Na4 {1.39/28 171 (Nb5)} Kh7 {0.71/25
93} 24. c5 {1.40/29 64 (Red1)} dxc5 {1.07/24 92} 25. Bxa6 {1.41/28 56} Rxa6 {
1.04/23 0} 26. Nxc5 {1.38/28 62} Nxc5 {1.11/26 93} 27. bxc5 {1.34/28 65} Ra7 {
1.15/25 266 (Rb8)} 28. Rb3 {1.39/32 102} Qd8 {1.14/26 175 (Qf7)} 29. Reb1 {1.
58/27 79} Qa8 {1.15/26 76 (Qc8)} 30. Be1 {1.69/27 115 (Qd3)} Rd8 {1.37/26 540}
31. Qc4 {1.71/31 160 (f3)} Rc8 {1.56/26 164 (Qc8)} 32. Kh2 {1.81/28 64} Kh6 {
1.59/25 42} 33. f3 {2.02/29 80} b6 {1.68/26 74} 34. cxb6 {2.10/31 83} cxb6 {1.
68/25 0} 35. Qd3 {2.16/33 85 (Qb5)} Ra2 {1.88/26 98 (b5)} 36. Rc3 {2.19/32 54}
Rxc3 {1.90/27 67} 37. Qxc3 {2.21/34 107} Qb7 {1.77/27 39} 38. Bh4 {2.26/32 79
(Qc4)} g5 {2.25/24 173} 39. Qc4 {2.31/29 46} Ra8 {2.20/25 66} 40. Bf2 {2.38/30
126} Rc8 {2.23/25 39} 41. Qd3 {2.37/29 110 (Qe2)} Qd7 {2.22/24 68} 42. Rxb6+ {
2.35/28 55} Kh7 {2.22/23 0} 43. Qd1 {2.46/29 197} Rd8 {2.40/24 304} 44. Re6 {
2.61/28 167} Re8 {2.40/24 134 (Qf7)} 45. Rxe8 {3.58/29 64 (Rc6)} Qxe8 {2.95/20
15} 46. h4 {3.70/33 71 (Qc2)} Qd8 {4.00/26 260 (gxh4)} 47. hxg5 {4.91/31 57}
Qxg5 {5.14/27 249 (Bf8)} 48. d6 {8.38/32 35} Bf6 {5.12/25 30 (Bf8)} 49. Qd5 {
11.78/34 39 (Bb6)} Kg7 {6.12/24 57} 50. Kh3 {14.81/33 51 (d7)} Bd8 {6.59/26 35
(Qg6) adjud.} 1-0[/pgn]

In the second game, Komodo deecided to close the game with 12. d5 so we can examine its closed position skills. 13. c4 was a logical followup gaining space, and setting up potential pawn play on QS. A little subtlety like 16. Rb1 and playing that first with the consistent intention of a3 and b4, is pretty amazing to me that it can pllay this practically human move. Most engines wouldn't stumble onto b4 until they played a3, but this Rb1 shows forsight. After move 19...Nb6 black isi in trouble because both its knights are away from KS where it would hope for an attack if they were there. But now white's QS play is much stronger and Komodo's eval clearly sees this. Komodo consistently continues with b4 and c5 showing how it knows how to play closed positions on the wings. The rest of the game was nice a positional leading to an extra passed d-pawn anad a win. The first game though really struck me as amazing, while the second one was a typical komodo positinall win that demonstrated good closed positin skills.

[pgn][Event "TIMSPC, Blitz 90m+20s"]
[Site "TIMSPC"]
[Date "2016.08.27"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 10.1 64-bit"]
[Black "Houdini 4 x64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B08"]
[Annotator "0.56;0.45"]
[PlyCount "100"]
[TimeControl "5400+20"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz 2493 MHz W=29.6 plies; 3,337kN/s;
ShortLines.ctg B=25.3 plies; 5,066kN/s; ShortLines.ctg} 1. e4 {B 0} d6 {B 0}
2. d4 {B 0} Nf6 {B 0} 3. Nc3 {B 0} g6 {B 0} 4. Nf3 {B 0} Bg7 {B 0} 5. Be2 {B 0}
O-O {B 0} 6. O-O {B 0} Bg4 {B 0 Both last book move} 7. h3 {0.56/29 213} Bxf3 {
0.45/25 101} 8. Bxf3 {0.56/28 52} Nc6 {0.44/26 113 (c6)} 9. Ne2 {0.65/26 82}
Re8 {0.49/27 74 (e5)} 10. c3 {0.61/27 95} Qd7 {0.55/25 120 (e5)} 11. Re1 {0.79/
27 330 (Be3)} e5 {0.51/26 73 (a5)} 12. d5 {0.83/29 98} Nb8 {0.53/28 121 (Ne7)}
13. c4 {0.82/29 86 (Be3)} a5 {0.59/26 112} 14. Nc3 {0.83/28 73} Qe7 {0.56/26
132 (Na6)} 15. Be3 {0.79/29 121} Na6 {0.60/27 145} 16. Rb1 {0.78/30 486} Nd7 {
0.60/27 142} 17. a3 {0.79/31 145} f5 {0.59/25 197} 18. Qc2 {0.79/30 205 (b4)}
f4 {0.62/24 97} 19. Bd2 {0.80/29 68} Nb6 {0.69/25 277 (Kh8)} 20. Be2 {0.96/28
106} h5 {0.70/25 65 (Reb8)} 21. b4 {1.14/29 193} axb4 {0.70/25 106} 22. axb4 {
1.15/30 164} Nd7 {0.87/25 132 (Kh7)} 23. Na4 {1.39/28 171 (Nb5)} Kh7 {0.71/25
93} 24. c5 {1.40/29 64 (Red1)} dxc5 {1.07/24 92} 25. Bxa6 {1.41/28 56} Rxa6 {
1.04/23 0} 26. Nxc5 {1.38/28 62} Nxc5 {1.11/26 93} 27. bxc5 {1.34/28 65} Ra7 {
1.15/25 266 (Rb8)} 28. Rb3 {1.39/32 102} Qd8 {1.14/26 175 (Qf7)} 29. Reb1 {1.
58/27 79} Qa8 {1.15/26 76 (Qc8)} 30. Be1 {1.69/27 115 (Qd3)} Rd8 {1.37/26 540}
31. Qc4 {1.71/31 160 (f3)} Rc8 {1.56/26 164 (Qc8)} 32. Kh2 {1.81/28 64} Kh6 {
1.59/25 42} 33. f3 {2.02/29 80} b6 {1.68/26 74} 34. cxb6 {2.10/31 83} cxb6 {1.
68/25 0} 35. Qd3 {2.16/33 85 (Qb5)} Ra2 {1.88/26 98 (b5)} 36. Rc3 {2.19/32 54}
Rxc3 {1.90/27 67} 37. Qxc3 {2.21/34 107} Qb7 {1.77/27 39} 38. Bh4 {2.26/32 79
(Qc4)} g5 {2.25/24 173} 39. Qc4 {2.31/29 46} Ra8 {2.20/25 66} 40. Bf2 {2.38/30
126} Rc8 {2.23/25 39} 41. Qd3 {2.37/29 110 (Qe2)} Qd7 {2.22/24 68} 42. Rxb6+ {
2.35/28 55} Kh7 {2.22/23 0} 43. Qd1 {2.46/29 197} Rd8 {2.40/24 304} 44. Re6 {
2.61/28 167} Re8 {2.40/24 134 (Qf7)} 45. Rxe8 {3.58/29 64 (Rc6)} Qxe8 {2.95/20
15} 46. h4 {3.70/33 71 (Qc2)} Qd8 {4.00/26 260 (gxh4)} 47. hxg5 {4.91/31 57}
Qxg5 {5.14/27 249 (Bf8)} 48. d6 {8.38/32 35} Bf6 {5.12/25 30 (Bf8)} 49. Qd5 {
11.78/34 39 (Bb6)} Kg7 {6.12/24 57} 50. Kh3 {14.81/33 51 (d7)} Bd8 {6.59/26 35
(Qg6) adjud.} 1-0[/pgn]



Keep up the great work Mark and Larry. My only request is you keep this good stuff in komodo going forward and don't get rid of it!!

[shrapnel]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

[reflectionofpower]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Is Houdini 200716 something that is beyond Houdini 4 and being worked on by Houdart?

[Vinvin]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Is Houdini 200716 something that is beyond Houdini 4 and being worked on by Houdart?

Yes, it's the version playing TCEC : http://tcec.chessdom.com/live.php
I've seen an announcement saying the current development version is already 15 elo above 200716.

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 N Engine           Rtng  Pts  Gm     SB St      Ho      Ko      Fi      An      Jo      Ry      Gu     
 1 Stockfish 160716 3224 30.0  43 586.50 ······· ====1=  ==1===  ===1=1  =11==1  1=1==11 =1=1=1  1=11== 
 2 Houdini 200716   3176 27.5  43 538.75 ====0=  ······· ======1 ======  ==1=1=  =11=11  ==11=1  11==1= 
 3 Komodo 10.1      3230 26.0  43 513.00 ==0===  ======0 ······· 1=====  =11101  11====  1===1=  ===111 
 4 Fire 5           3099 22.0  42 444.75 ===0=0  ======  0=====  ······· 1=====  ==1===  =1=1==  =====1 
 5 Andscacs 0.872b  3106 18.5  43 364.50 =00==0  ==0=0=  =00010  0=====  ······· ====0=  10==1== =1=11= 
 6 Jonny 8          3018 16.5  43 336.50 0=0==00 =00=00  00====  ==0===  ====1=  ······· 1=====  ==10=0 
 7 Rybka 4.1        3120 16.0  43 329.75 =0=0=0  ==00=0  0===0=  =0=0==  01==0== 0=====  ······· =====1 
 8 Gull 3           3123 14.5  42 305.75 0=00==  00==0=  ===000  =====0  =0=00=  ==01=1  =====0  ·······

[reflectionofpower]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Is Houdini 200716 something that is beyond Houdini 4 and being worked on by Houdart?

Yes, it's the version playing TCEC : http://tcec.chessdom.com/live.php
I've seen an announcement saying the current development version is already 15 elo above 200716.

Code: Select all

 N Engine           Rtng  Pts  Gm     SB St      Ho      Ko      Fi      An      Jo      Ry      Gu     
 1 Stockfish 160716 3224 30.0  43 586.50 ······· ====1=  ==1===  ===1=1  =11==1  1=1==11 =1=1=1  1=11== 
 2 Houdini 200716   3176 27.5  43 538.75 ====0=  ······· ======1 ======  ==1=1=  =11=11  ==11=1  11==1= 
 3 Komodo 10.1      3230 26.0  43 513.00 ==0===  ======0 ······· 1=====  =11101  11====  1===1=  ===111 
 4 Fire 5           3099 22.0  42 444.75 ===0=0  ======  0=====  ······· 1=====  ==1===  =1=1==  =====1 
 5 Andscacs 0.872b  3106 18.5  43 364.50 =00==0  ==0=0=  =00010  0=====  ······· ====0=  10==1== =1=11= 
 6 Jonny 8          3018 16.5  43 336.50 0=0==00 =00=00  00====  ==0===  ====1=  ······· 1=====  ==10=0 
 7 Rybka 4.1        3120 16.0  43 329.75 =0=0=0  ==00=0  0===0=  =0=0==  01==0== 0=====  ······· =====1 
 8 Gull 3           3123 14.5  42 305.75 0=00==  00==0=  ===000  =====0  =0=00=  ==01=1  =====0  ·······

I always liked Houdini's style.

[TShackel]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Umm, calm down I guess? Houdini 4.0 is currently number 3 on CCRL, hardly obsolete. And who's leading all the rating lists? Komdoo 10.1 is. You act like the TCEC proves it's inferior. You're judging that one engine is better than another after one game? It takes many games. I blame cato for the opening choice. I'm partially trying to be funny, but also a little bit true. Starting out with such a disadvantage after opening book is pretty ridiculous. 10.1 is the strongest engine out there right now, and it plays beautifully like these games show. Komodo's always on top, so it doesn't get liked by a lot of pepole is what I'm presuming.

I'm not planning to respond to you if you respond with another post like your first.

[APassionForCriminalJustic]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Umm, calm down I guess? Houdini 4.0 is currently number 3 on CCRL, hardly obsolete. And who's leading all the rating lists? Komdoo 10.1 is. You act like the TCEC proves it's inferior. You're judging that one engine is better than another after one game? It takes many games. I blame cato for the opening choice. I'm partially trying to be funny, but also a little bit true. Starting out with such a disadvantage after opening book is pretty ridiculous. 10.1 is the strongest engine out there right now, and it plays beautifully like these games show. Komodo's always on top, so it doesn't get liked by a lot of pepole is what I'm presuming.

I'm not planning to respond to you if you respond with another post like your first.

Tim, let's be real. The strongest engine right now, in the world, is unequivocally and undoubtedly Stockfish. Komodo 10.1 leads the rating lists because Graham chooses to only use Stockfish 7. Anyone who follows Stockfish development knows that Stockfish is already in excess of 60+ Elo over Stockfish 7. Komodo is a fantastic engine, and super strong - but we need to quit lying to ourselves. Even in the last few days there have been like 10 patches committed. In the end Komodo development will not be able to beat a community dedicated to the improvement of an engine. Komodo is just "unlucky" is that typical excuse; Houdini has been quite improved, and Stockfish is far stronger than last TCEC. What we are seeing is Komodo's superiority faltering. Komodo will be effectively superseded. Team Komodo should be fortunate that AsmFish is not used as its scaling with huge threads is out of this world.

PS Houdini 4 is old news. But hey, I agree, it is still the number three engine that we presently have access too.

If you want real results that can be trusted take a look at this: http://spcc.beepworld.de/long-thinkingtime.htm

Those are real results; clearly Stockfish is stronger whether you like it or not. Anyone trusting a rating list using Stockfish 7 needs to rethink what they think they know.

[pohl4711]

If you want real results that can be trusted take a look at this: http://spcc.beepworld.de/long-thinkingtime.htm

Those are real results; clearly Stockfish is stronger whether you like it or not. Anyone trusting a rating list using Stockfish 7 needs to rethink what they think they know.

Thanx!
But at the moment, the number of games is still very, very small. I plan to update my website on wednesday. Then we will have much more games. And CroChess 1.01 as a third opponent for that Komodo-Gauntlet.
With 20'+5", only 25 games/day are played. So we all have to be patient...

Stefan (SPCC)

[Nay Lin Tun]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Hello Anil,
I dont know you and Mr Tim, I am writing this comment as it is too unpleasant to read as a forum member and I will report to admin if I see similar post again. I am writing this not based on personal feeling or fan of something but based on the general sense as a forum member.
Why you start flaming to someone without any reason. 1. H4 is not a history, it is the most updated one available for the public, he is not using H1 or H2. 2. One game is nothing to know the performance of an engine unless u see a critical flaw in a certain position. 3. Why you accused Komodo as the Pretender, based on what? 4. Even if you are H fan, he didn't flame Houdini, he just praised K's performance as a winner , which in fact is not critizing to the loser , H4.
regards,
Nay

[lkaufman]

Houdini 4 is Ancient History.
Its like matching a Stone Age man with a club against a modern soldier with a Rocket-Launcher !
In case you're not aware, Komodo 10.1 just got blown away by Houdini 200716 at the TCEC.
None of Komodo's too cute for words "good positional play" or anything else you mentioned, helped it to withstand the Brilliance and Ferocity of the new Houdini Engine !
I hope for a Stockfish-Houdini Super-Final as I've always maintained that only the Houdini Engine is capable of beating the new Stockfish, which too is looking awesome, by the way.
This is the end of the reign of the Pretender.
All HAIL the Return of the True King of Computer Chess, HOUDINI !
HOUDART HOUDART HOUDART !

Umm, calm down I guess? Houdini 4.0 is currently number 3 on CCRL, hardly obsolete. And who's leading all the rating lists? Komdoo 10.1 is. You act like the TCEC proves it's inferior. You're judging that one engine is better than another after one game? It takes many games. I blame cato for the opening choice. I'm partially trying to be funny, but also a little bit true. Starting out with such a disadvantage after opening book is pretty ridiculous. 10.1 is the strongest engine out there right now, and it plays beautifully like these games show. Komodo's always on top, so it doesn't get liked by a lot of pepole is what I'm presuming.

I'm not planning to respond to you if you respond with another post like your first.

Tim, let's be real. The strongest engine right now, in the world, is unequivocally and undoubtedly Stockfish. Komodo 10.1 leads the rating lists because Graham chooses to only use Stockfish 7. Anyone who follows Stockfish development knows that Stockfish is already in excess of 60+ Elo over Stockfish 7. Komodo is a fantastic engine, and super strong - but we need to quit lying to ourselves. Even in the last few days there have been like 10 patches committed. In the end Komodo development will not be able to beat a community dedicated to the improvement of an engine. Komodo is just "unlucky" is that typical excuse; Houdini has been quite improved, and Stockfish is far stronger than last TCEC. What we are seeing is Komodo's superiority faltering. Komodo will be effectively superseded. Team Komodo should be fortunate that AsmFish is not used as its scaling with huge threads is out of this world.

PS Houdini 4 is old news. But hey, I agree, it is still the number three engine that we presently have access too.

If you want real results that can be trusted take a look at this: http://spcc.beepworld.de/long-thinkingtime.htm

Those are real results; clearly Stockfish is stronger whether you like it or not. Anyone trusting a rating list using Stockfish 7 needs to rethink what they think they know.

Note that CCRL does rate newer Stockfishes at 40/4, and the July 16 version (about same date as Komodo 10.1) was only 26 elo above SF7, nothing like 60+ claimed. Probably the gain would be even less at 40/40. If you add 26 elo to the IPON, CCRL 40/40, CEGT 40/20, and CEGT 5' + 3" ratings of SF 7, Komodo 10.1 would still generally be on top. It is clear that for whatever reason, Komodo does not do well directly against Stockfish, but almost always does better than Stockfish against other engines. Whether this makes Stockfish or Komodo stronger is a matter of opinion. It's like when Tigran Petrosian was World Champion (based on matches) but rarely won tournaments, was he really the best player in the world? There is no simple answer, it depends on your definition of best player.
We continue to make good steady progress, but so does Stockfish, so the race goes on, regardless of TCEC. The rating lists are the main standard of which engine is best. Now Houdini will also be in the race once version 5 is released, but let's not forget that Mr. Houdart is not the original author of Houdini, who is the still-unknown "Roberto Pescatori", a pseudonym for whoever really wrote the Ippolit program. Mr. Houdart does deserve credit for having improved Ippolit greatly, but he has never admitted that the first "Houdini" was one of the Ippolit versions despite clear and overwhelming evidence to that effect.