This is a slight mischaracterization. Yes, we vote for moderators. But we don't simultaneously vote for "change anything you don't like". I've been a moderator here more than anyone, and when we originally formed CCC (10 of us) one of the things we wanted was light-handed moderation. Quick action on personal attacks, but minimal action elsewhere. Later we modified CCC to include multiple fora for reasons already explained. Tournaments has been just fine as it has been used for EXACTLY what we intended when we created it, namely to collect all of the individual ongoing tournaments, their results, their games and such in one place where those that are interested can find them (even if they do have to look a lot as that is a HIGH volume forum due to all the testing and such that goes on along with reporting on same.Adam Hair wrote:There is no mechanism for the members to directly change anything about CCC other than our moderators. Instead, we vote for a 3 member panel of moderators to act in the best interest of the forum. CCC is the preeminent forum for computer chess and the moderators should always keep that in mind, but they are put in charge of the forum, not computer chess. If the moderators think they can improve the function of the forum without irreparably damaging this hobby, then they should do it.bob wrote:Then doesn't that beg the question, "why has this changed in 2016?" No vote was held by the membership to change anything...Adam Hair wrote:The announcement remained in the General forum in 2014.CRoberson wrote:Component oriented thinking isn't going to work here. The post is a "call for participants" and it was moved last year and I think it was moved inGraham Banks wrote:
I doubt that it will cause any hardship at all. Let's wait and see how the field compares with last year.
2014 which was our record lowest participation. Last year, I put some extra effort in hunting new email addresses and some of them participated.
Thanks to this mess, I'll likely put a day or two of extra work into it again. So, an increase in the participation levels will not prove anything about the sticky.
Let me state that no one has shown that moving the announcements to the T&M subforum and making them sticky upon request has hurt the author participation tournaments. If that can be shown, then an immediate remedy will be needed. But so far there has just been bellowing from people who do not want to make a simple change in their forum viewing habits.
Announcements where one asks for participation, such as WCCC, ACCA, even CEGT, perfectly fits in the general forum. Even announcing of the results since everyone pays attention to all of those belongs there. Round by round and game by game analysis still belongs in the tournaments fora.
And this is how it has been run for a LONG time. Until recently. Yet I have seen NO discussion about any reasons to change the policy and place ANYTHING that includes the word tournament or match in the tournaments forum.
Past moderation philosophy has been to politely suggest that the discussion move to the correct forum if it appears to be in the wrong one. But actually moving things should be EXTREMELY rare. For the longest this only happened when the original poster would ask us to move a post to a more correct place. We created the tournament forum because there were many complaints about round-by-round and game-by-game reporting causing new posts to fall off the bottom of the first page, which tended to cause them to become lost when very few want to actually scroll through all the ongoing tournaments, matches and rating list testing that is going on.
The complaint here is simple. ACCA, CCT, WCCC, etc are all well-known events, well-respected events, and have all been going on for many years. CCT, in fact, started RIGHT HERE. When an announcement is moved to the tournament forum, it quickly scrolls off the page and nobody notices. This tends to hide the announcement, and harms participation and spectating.
An announcement clearly is "of general interest" to all computer chess enthusiasts. And, as such, it belongs in the general forum where such announcements have been done for years.
So just because we vote for moderators (and the team concept seems to not be working since the last election did not even happen) does NOT mean we vote to just change things willy-nilly. That is certainly not the intent of any vote I have cast in the past. And that is, IMHO, a gross mischaracterization of what others voted for as well. Moving the post was simply a mistake that can easily be corrected, at the very least by NOT repeating this again. The length of this thread suggests it is problematic. Ideally, one changes things for a reason, not just random choices here and there.
My $.02 of course. But since the tournament forum was _MY_ idea anyway, I do have a pretty good idea of what the intent was. And it was SPECIFICALLY to move all the CCRL, etc type high-volume reports somewhere where the main forum doesn't scroll wildly every hour or two.