To MODERATORS: Please STOP moving genuine tournaments!

[hgm]

It seems madness rules...

- Organizers of major Computer-Chess have clearly stated that participation suffers if they cannot announce them in the General Topics section.

- Many prospective participants of such events have now confirmed this.

Yet people keep arguing they want such announcements be moved to the tournament section.

Where does this sick desire to hurt others at no benefit to yourself suddenly come from?




Given that the moderator team seems to have decided to take a stance that is highly damaging to computer Chess in general, it has become essential for the future of computer Chess that the moderator team resigns immediately, and new elections are held. Which is a pity, because otherwise the moderation was functioning pretty well under this team.

[Henk]

Internet kills many real life meetings. Nothing to do about it. If you have no (good) internet connection it feels like you are totally isolated.

[BBauer]

Thank you!

Keep up the good work.
Kind regards
Bernhard

[mclane]

1) We believe that all posts about tournaments and matches, whether they are "genuine" (whatever that means) or not, whether they are about announcements or results, whether they involve any humans other than the TD/tester or not, belong in the T&M forum. We will henceforth be moving all such posts to that forum.

Rules and laws Are not made for themselves.
Moderators do not operate for themselves.

It all is done for a purpose. And the purpose is to please the people, the
Community, not to rule like a king or to bring something through because you have the power to do so

You sound like the bolshevistic party telling the soviets that the zk of the party decided this or that upon this or that golden law.

If you would not have been elected I would guess you are the admin Sam hull telling us that he is doing whatever HE wants to do.

But you are not the admin,
You were elected people.

Computerchess in our days is a dying hobby.

All computerchess companies, almost all, have died.
Many human chess players have no interest in computerchess anymore
Because the computers have developed so strong over the years.

IMO We need ALLLLLLL people, almost any person we can reach
For our Hobby.

It's contra productive to move events into the tournament forum
Where only a subgroup of people read it.
The idea behind computerchess is IMO to program machines to play chess and to make this fight public.
All those tournaments have the idea to make the tournament/ match / event
For the public community,

This forum was made for the public of computerchess enthusiasts,
To bring together programmers and customers and testers and marketing people all in one forum to exchange topics.

The idea was to bring people together. Not to separate each person in its own ghetto.

We are the people and you are the elected moderators.

Maybe it's time to recognize that you could overthink your rules.
Because the computerchess hobby needs attention and not separation.

[mclane]

It seems madness rules...

- Organizers of major Computer-Chess have clearly stated that participation suffers if they cannot announce them in the General Topics section.

- Many prospective participants of such events have now confirmed this.

Yet people keep arguing they want such announcements be moved to the tournament section.

Where does this sick desire to hurt others at no benefit to yourself suddenly come from?


Given that the moderator team seems to have decided to take a stance that is highly damaging to computer Chess in general, it has become essential for the future of computer Chess that the moderator team resigns immediately, and new elections are held. Which is a pity, because otherwise the moderation was functioning pretty well under this team.

Sometimes "principles" create a death ideal.
When principles are more important then the people the principles
Have been made for, I would call these principles a dead ideology.

In philosophy you can often see this.
There are philosophers with a dead ideal.
A bunch of laws and rules and values more made for the idea then for the people who could ever follow the idea.

Seems this is the problem here too.

[mclane]

Internet kills many real life meetings. Nothing to do about it. If you have no (good) internet connection it feels like you are totally isolated.

There are still many computerchess events in real life, taking place in hotels or universities,
People meet there and exchange friendship and watch the computers doing chess.


See klingenberg 2016:
https://youtu.be/a0KxVm-YbTQ


Or Leiden in Netherlands taking place end of June, beginning of July.
Also the dedicated computerchess market is not completely dead,
We saw novag die, fidelity and Excalibur dying, saitek and Mephisto
Died, but there still is Phoenix, millennium, pewatronic producing new dedicated chess computers.
There is Komodo, hiarcs and a few other chess software companies.

We are not dead yet.

And IMO we even see a renaissance in the moment.

What we now would need would be another young Bobby Fischer turning the attention of the public into chess again, as it happened in the 60ies and 70ies
In the Cold War.

[Graham Banks]

When you look at what the index page of the forum says about what each subforum is for, the moderators are actually correct in their interpretation.

[mclane]

When you look at what the index page of the forum says about what each subforum, the moderators are actually correct in their interpretation.

Would you wait behind a dead red traffic light because it is correct to wait there ?

If we define things, we have to make sure that the people do not die in following these "correct" laws and rules.

Rules were made to organize life ! But not to act against the people.
Even if this is "correct".

Words are words. But we are humans. We can go beyond words.

[hgm]

When you look at what the index page of the forum says about what each subforum, the moderators are actually correct in their interpretation.

Correct or not doesn't in anyway change the fact that their actions hurt many people, and benefit none.

You are still trying to justify pointless hurting of others. Why?

[Graham Banks]

When you look at what the index page of the forum says about what each subforum, the moderators are actually correct in their interpretation.

Correct or not doesn't in anyway change the fact that their actions hurt many people, and benefit none.

You are still trying to justify pointless hurting of others. Why?

I'm just pointing out what anybody can read, nothing else.