Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

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BBauer
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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by BBauer » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:35 pm

Here is what I got with my modified SF based on lazy threads,using 6-piece syzygys.
Bc2 is found by depth 12. Score goes up to 7 but later down to 1.
As Bc2 is winning something is wrong with SF code.
Kind regards
Bernhard
[D]7k/1P6/2P2q2/4pB2/8/4Q2K/1r6/8 w - - 3 64

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FEN: 7k/1P6/2P2q2/4pB2/8/4Q2K/1r6/8 w - - 3 64

St-mod-15-11-08:
 1/1	00:00	 1k	66k	+2,00	Qe3-e4
 2/3	00:00	 2k	115k	+2,19	Bf5-d7 Qf6-f1+ Kh3-g4
 3/5	00:00	 4k	198k	+2,29	Bf5-d7 Qf6-f1+ Kh3-g4 Qf1-c4+ Kg4-f5
 4/7	00:00	 6k	280k	+2,01	Qe3-e4 Rb2-b3+ Kh3-g4 Qf6-d6 Bf5-d7
 5/8	00:00	 13k	343k	+3,99	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Rb2-b5 Bf5-g6 Qh6-g7
 6/10	00:00	 25k	418k	+3,44	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-g7+ Bf5-g6 Qg7-c7 Qe4-h1+ Kh8-g8 Qh1-d5+ Kg8-g7
 7/13	00:00	 31k	411k	+2,39	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-g7+ Bf5-g6 Qg7-e7 Qe4-f5 Rb2-b4+ Kg4-g3 Rb4-b3+ Kg3-g2
 8/13	00:00	 49k	382k	+2,08	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-g7+ Bf5-g6 Qg7-e7 Qe4-f5 Rb2-b4+ Kg4-f3 Rb4-b3+ Kf3-e2 Qe7-d6 Qf5-c8+ Kh8-g7 Qc8-d7+ Qd6xd7
 9/18	00:00	 148k	404k	+2,70	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-h2 Bf5-e6 Rb2-g2+ Kg4-f5 Qh2-h5+ Kf5-f6 Qh5-g5+ Kf6-f7 Qg5-g8+ Kf7-e7 Rg2-g7+ Ke7-f6 Qg8-d8+ Kf6xe5
 10/19	00:00	 297k	495k	+2,61	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-h2 Bf5-d7 Rb2-g2+ Kg4-f5 Qh2-h7+ Kf5xe5 Qh7-e7+ Bd7-e6 Rg2-b2 Qe4-g6 Rb2-b5+ Ke5-f4 Qe7-f8+ Kf4-e4
 11/25	00:01	 572k	555k	+3,19	Qe3-e4 Qf6-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-h2 Bf5-d7 Rb2-g2+ Kg4-f5 Qh2-h7+ Kf5xe5 Qh7-e7+ Bd7-e6 Rg2-b2 Qe4-d4 Rb2-b4 Qd4-d7 Qe7-g5+ Be6-f5 Rb4-b5+ Ke5-e4 Rb5-b4+ Ke4-d5 Qg5-g8+ Kd5-c5
 12/30+	00:03	 1.931k	522k	+2,51	Bf5-c2
 12/30+	00:04	 2.220k	548k	+3,28	Bf5-c2
 12/30	00:04	 2.539k	588k	+3,38	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Qf6-f8 Kh3-g3 Qf8-g7+ Kg3-f2 Qg7-f6+ Kf2-e1 Qf6-h4+ Ke1-f1 Kh8-g7 c6-c7 Rb4xe4 c7-c8Q
 13/30+	00:04	 2.734k	607k	+3,45	Bf5-c2
 13/30+	00:04	 2.930k	627k	+3,52	Bf5-c2
 13/30+	00:05	 4.074k	741k	+4,60	Bf5-c2
 13/30	00:05	 4.622k	794k	+4,92	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Qf6-f8 Kh3-h4 Qf8-g7 Kh4-h5 Qg7-f7+ Be4-g6 Qf7-d5 Qe3-h6+ Kh8-g8 Qh6-h7+ Kg8-f8 Qh7-h8+ Kf8-e7 Qh8-e8+ Ke7-d6 Qe8-f8+ Kd6xc6 Qf8xb4 Qd5-f3+ Kh5-g5
 14/30+	00:05	 4.749k	806k	+4,99	Bf5-c2
 14/30+	00:05	 4.775k	809k	+5,06	Bf5-c2
 14/42+	00:08	 7.569k	911k	+7,21	Bf5-c2
 14/42	00:08	 7.822k	919k	+7,36	Bf5-c2 Qf6-e6+ Kh3-g3 Qe6-g8+ Kg3-h4 Qg8-g7 Qe3-h3 Qg7-f6+ Kh4-g3+ Kh8-g7 Qh3-g4+ Kg7-f7 c6-c7 Rb2xc2 Qg4-d7+ Kf7-g6 Qd7-d3+ Kg6-g7 Qd3xc2 Qf6-f4+ Kg3-g2 Qf4-g4+ Kg2-f2 Qg4-f4+ Kf2-g1 Qf4-d4+ Kg1-f1
 15/42-	00:08	 8.049k	921k	+6,13	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 15/42-	00:08	 8.056k	920k	+7,05	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 15/42-	00:10	 10.460k	963k	+1,92	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 15/42	00:11	 11.248k	999k	+2,41	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-f5 Rb2-b5 Kf5-g5 Qd6-e7+ Kg5-h5 Qe7-e6 Kh5-h4 Rb5-b3 Bg2-f3 Qe6-e7+ Kh4-g3 Qe7-d6 Qe4-h4+ Kh8-g7 Qh4-g5+ Kg7-h8
 16/42-	00:11	 12.106k	1.026k	+2,34	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 16/42+	00:11	 12.347k	1.032k	+2,41	Bf5-c2
 16/42+	00:12	 12.445k	1.034k	+2,52	Bf5-c2
 16/42-	00:12	 12.727k	1.041k	+2,43	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 16/42	00:12	 12.907k	1.047k	+2,36	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-f5 Rb2-b5 Kf5-g5 Rb5-b4 Qe4-f5 Rb4-f4 Qf5-c8+ Kh8-g7 Qc8-d7+ Qd6xd7 c6xd7 Rf4-f8 Bg2-d5 Rf8-d8
 17/42	00:13	 13.994k	1.067k	+2,33	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-f5 Rb2-b5 Kf5-g5 Rb5-b4 Qe4-f5 Rb4-f4 Qf5-c8+ Kh8-g7 Qc8-d7+ Qd6xd7 c6xd7 Rf4-f8 Bg2-d5 Rf8-d8 Kg5-f5 e5-e4
 18/42+	00:13	 15.016k	1.091k	+2,40	Bf5-c2
 18/42+	00:13	 15.136k	1.096k	+2,47	Bf5-c2
 18/42-	00:13	 15.161k	1.096k	+2,40	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 18/44+	00:14	 16.331k	1.130k	+2,49	Bf5-c2
 18/44+	00:16	 20.127k	1.220k	+2,69	Bf5-g4
 18/49+	00:17	 21.795k	1.267k	+2,96	Bf5-c2
 18/49	00:17	 23.053k	1.306k	+3,13	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-h5 Kh8-g7 Qe4-g4+ Kg7-f7 Qg4-f5+ Kf7-e8 Bg2-e4 Qd6-d1+ Kh5-g6 Qd1-d6+ Kg6-g7 Qd6-c7+ Kg7-h6 Qc7-d6+ Kh6-h7 Qd6-c7+ Kh7-h8 Ke8-e7 Qf5-c8 Qc7-d6 Kh8-g8 Qd6-d8+ Kg8-h7 Qd8-d6 c6-c7
 19/49+	00:18	 25.332k	1.361k	+3,20	Bf5-c2
 19/49-	00:18	 25.558k	1.364k	+3,12	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 19/49-	00:19	 26.370k	1.376k	+3,03	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 19/49+	00:19	 26.740k	1.385k	+3,11	Bf5-c2
 19/49+	00:19	 27.178k	1.395k	+3,31	Bf5-c2
 19/49	00:20	 29.307k	1.444k	+3,42	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-h5 Kh8-g7 Qe4-g4+ Kg7-f7 Qg4-f5+ Kf7-e8 Bg2-e4 Rb2-h2+ Kh5-g4 Rh2-b2 Qf5-h5+ Ke8-e7 Qh5-h7+ Ke7-f6 Qh7-h6+ Kf6-e7 Qh6-g7+ Ke7-e6 Be4-f5+ Ke6-d5 Qg7-d7 e5-e4 c6-c7 Qd6xd7 Bf5xd7
 20/49+	00:21	 33.107k	1.505k	+3,49	Bf5-c2
 20/49+	00:23	 35.426k	1.538k	+3,56	Bf5-c2
 20/49	00:23	 35.873k	1.545k	+3,50	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-h5 Kh8-g7 Qe4-g4+ Kg7-f7 Qg4-f5+ Kf7-e8 Bg2-e4 Rb2-h2+ Kh5-g4 Rh2-b2 Qf5-h5+ Ke8-e7 Qh5-h7+ Ke7-f6 Qh7-h6+ Kf6-e7 Qh6-g7+ Ke7-d8 Kg4-g5 Rb2-b6 Kg5-f5 Rb6-b5 Qg7-h8+ Kd8-e7 Qh8-h4+ Ke7-f8 Qh4-f6+ Qd6xf6+ Kf5xf6
 21/49+	00:24	 37.872k	1.578k	+3,56	Bf5-c2
 21/49	00:25	 41.609k	1.620k	+3,58	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Be4-g2 Qf6-g7 Qe3-e4 Qg7-h6+ Kh3-g4 Qh6-d6 Kg4-h5 Kh8-g7 Qe4-g4+ Kg7-f7 Qg4-f5+ Kf7-e8 Bg2-e4 Rb2-h2+ Kh5-g4 Rh2-b2 Qf5-h5+ Ke8-e7 Qh5-h7+ Ke7-f6 Qh7-h6+ Kf6-e7 Qh6-g7+ Ke7-d8 Kg4-g5 Rb2-b6 Kg5-f5 Rb6-b5 Qg7-h8+ Kd8-e7 Qh8-h4+ Ke7-e8 Qh4-h7 Ke8-d8
 22/49+	00:26	 44.217k	1.654k	+3,65	Bf5-c2
 22/49+	00:27	 45.113k	1.666k	+3,72	Bf5-c2
 22/49-	00:28	 48.332k	1.690k	+3,65	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 22/52-	00:53	 102.468k	1.913k	+0,84	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 22/52+	01:00	 119.455k	1.990k	+1,46	Bf5-c2
 22/52+	01:08	 140.578k	2.060k	+4,27	Bf5-c2
 22/62	01:17	 165.272k	2.138k	+4,99	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-g8+ Kg5-f5 Qg8-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f8+ Kf4-g3 Qf8-f6 Qe3-f3 Rb5-g5+ Kg3-f2 Qf6-b2+ Qf3-e2 Qb2-f6+ Kf2-e3 Qf6-c3+ Qe2-d3 Qc3-e1+ Ke3-f3 Qe1-g3+ Kf3-e2 Qg3-h2+ Ke2-e3 Qh2-g3+ Ke3-d2 Qg3-f2+ Kd2-c3 Qf2-c5+ Qd3-c4 Rg5-g3+ Be4-d3 Qc5-a5+ Kc3-b3 Qa5-b6+ Kb3-a4 Rg3-g4 Bd3-e4 Qb6-a7+ Ka4-b5 Rg4-g5+ Be4-d5 Kh8-g7 Qc4-e4 Kg7-h6
 23/62-	01:17	 166.349k	2.141k	+4,92	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 23/62-	01:17	 166.435k	2.142k	+4,85	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 23/62-	01:18	 167.522k	2.145k	+3,74	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 23/62+	01:18	 169.349k	2.152k	+4,03	Bf5-c2
 23/75-	01:21	 176.044k	2.165k	+3,65	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 23/75	01:22	 178.422k	2.169k	+3,63	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-f5 Qe7-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f7+ Kf4-g3 Qf7-f6 Qe3-f3 Rb5-g5+ Kg3-f2 Qf6-b2+ Qf3-e2 Qb2-f6+ Kf2-e3 Qf6-c3+ Qe2-d3 Qc3-e1+ Ke3-f3 Qe1-g3+ Kf3-e2 Qg3-h2+ Ke2-e3 Qh2-g3+ Ke3-d2 Qg3-f2+ Kd2-c3 Qf2-c5+ Qd3-c4 Rg5-g3+ Be4-d3 Qc5-a3+ Kc3-d2 Qa3-b2+ Bd3-c2 Rg3-g2+ Kd2-d3 Qb2-e5 Qc4-e4 Qe5-b5+ Kd3-d4 Qb5-b6+ Kd4-d5 Qb6-b5+ Kd5-d6
 24/75+	01:34	 208.526k	2.215k	+3,70	Bf5-c2
 24/75-	01:35	 212.089k	2.222k	+3,63	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 24/75-	01:40	 226.736k	2.250k	+2,55	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 24/75+	01:40	 226.843k	2.250k	+2,84	Bf5-c2
 24/75	01:41	 228.321k	2.251k	+3,05	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-f5 Qe7-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f7+ Kf4-g3 Qf7-f6 Kg3-h3 Rb5-h5+ Kh3-g4 Qf6-h4+ Kg4-f3 Qh4-f6+ Kf3-e2 Qf6-b2+ Ke2-f1 Qb2-a1+ Qe3-e1 Qa1-f6+ Kf1-e2 Qf6-b2+ Ke2-d3 Qb2-b5+ Kd3-e3 Qb5-e5 Qe1-b4 Rh5-h3+ Ke3-d2 Qe5-h2+ Kd2-c1
 25/75-	01:42	 232.232k	2.258k	+2,98	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 25/75-	01:44	 236.159k	2.265k	+2,91	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 25/75-	01:59	 279.437k	2.330k	+1,82	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 25/75+	02:05	 294.785k	2.352k	+2,11	Bf5-c2
 25/75-	02:11	 310.444k	2.354k	+1,73	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 25/75	02:17	 326.292k	2.368k	+1,41	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-f5 Qe7-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f7+ Kf4-g3 Qf7-f6 Qe3-f3 Rb5-g5+ Kg3-f2 Qf6-b2+ Qf3-e2 Qb2-b6+ Kf2-f3 Qb6-b3+ Qe2-d3 Qb3-f7+ Kf3-e3 Rg5-g3+ Ke3-e2 Qf7-h5+ Be4-f3 Rg3-g2+ Ke2-e3 Qh5-e5+ Qd3-e4 Qe5-c3+ Ke3-f4 Qc3-f6+ Qe4-f5 Qf6-d4+ Bf3-e4 Rg2-f2+ Kf4-g4 Qd4-d1+ Be4-f3
 26/75-	02:31	 362.317k	2.391k	+1,34	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 26/75-	02:38	 381.150k	2.406k	+1,27	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 26/76+	02:47	 403.882k	2.415k	+1,34	Bf5-c2
 26/76+	03:24	 489.781k	2.397k	+2,79	Bf5-c2
 26/76-	03:28	 498.711k	2.391k	+2,41	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 26/76-	03:31	 504.563k	2.386k	+1,64	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 26/76	03:54	 554.216k	2.358k	+0,98	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-f5 Qe7-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f7+ Kf4-g3 Qf7-f6 Be4-f3 Rb5-b4 Bf3-g4 Kh8-g7 Kg3-h3 Rb4-b1 Bg4-f3 Qf6-f5+ Kh3-g3 Qf5-g6+ Kg3-h4 Rb1-b4+ Kh4-h3 Qg6-f5+ Kh3-h2 Rb4-b2+ Bf3-e2 Qf5-h5+ Kh2-g3 Qh5-g6+ Kg3-h4 Qg6xc6 Qe3-g3+ Qc6-g6 Qg3-c7+ Kg7-f8 Qc7-f4+ Kf8-g7 b7-b8Q Rb2xb8
 27/76+	04:02	 569.877k	2.346k	+1,05	Bf5-c2
 27/76-	04:17	 595.241k	2.309k	+0,98	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 27/76-	04:40	 635.735k	2.268k	+0,87	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 27/76+	04:40	 636.314k	2.269k	+0,96	Bf5-c2
 27/76	04:41	 639.080k	2.269k	+1,11	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-f5 Qe7-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f7+ Kf4-g3 Qf7-f6 Qe3-f3 Rb5-g5+ Kg3-f2 Qf6-b2+ Qf3-e2 Qb2-b6+ Kf2-f3 Qb6-b3+ Qe2-d3 Qb3-f7+ Kf3-e3 Rg5-g3+ Ke3-e2 Qf7-h5+ Be4-f3 Rg3-g2+ Ke2-e3 Qh5-e5+ Qd3-e4 Qe5-c3+ Ke3-f4 Qc3-f6+ Qe4-f5 Qf6-d4+ Bf3-e4 Rg2-f2+ Kf4-g4 Qd4-d1+ Kg4-h4 Rf2xf5 b7-b8Q+ Kh8-g7 Qb8-b2+ Kg7-g6 Be4xf5+ Kg6xf5
 28/76-	05:01	 684.345k	2.266k	+1,04	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 28/76-	05:16	 720.356k	2.277k	+0,97	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 28/76-	05:28	 755.296k	2.297k	+0,87	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4
 28/76	06:21	 873.895k	2.292k	+0,77	Bf5-c2 Rb2-b4 Bc2-e4 Rb4-b2 Kh3-g4 Qf6-e6+ Kg4-g5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-f5 Qe7-f7+ Kf5xe5 Qf7-g7+ Ke5-e6 Qg7-g8+ Ke6-f5 Rb2-b5+ Kf5-f4 Qg8-f7+ Kf4-g3 Qf7-f6 Kg3-h3 Rb5-h5+ Kh3-g4 Qf6-h4+ Kg4-f3 Qh4-f6+ Kf3-e2 Qf6-b2+ Ke2-f1 Qb2-a1+ Qe3-e1 Qa1-f6+ Kf1-e2 Qf6-b2+ Ke2-e3 Rh5-h6 Ke3-f3 Qb2-f6+ Kf3-e2 Qf6-b2+ Ke2-e3 Qb2-a3+ Ke3-d4 Qa3-a7+ Kd4-e5 Qa7-c5+ Ke5-f4 Qc5-d6+ Kf4-g4 Qd6-e6+ Kg4-g3 Rh6-g6+ Kg3-f3 Rg6-f6+ Kf3-e3 Qe6-b3+ Ke3-d4 Qb3-b6+ Kd4-d3 Qb6-a6+ Kd3-d2 Qa6-a5+ Kd2-c2
 29/80+	06:58	 962.914k	2.298k	+0,84	Bf5-c2
 29/80+	07:11	 992.270k	2.298k	+0,91	Bf5-c2
 29/80+	07:20	 1.011.698k	2.296k	+1,16	Bf5-c2

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by stavros » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:53 pm

MikeB wrote:
stavros wrote:for me the real rating difference will be on users pcs when sf 7 comes out
and rating lists,the tcec 8 superfinal its only for entertainment purpose,
or promotion or....
I would take the time control, the opening book, and the hardware of the Super Final over any blitz or bullet time control offered by other ratings lists.
right, back to reality: 99% of users dont have that, so for a average pc
rating lists and tests will show the difference.

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by MikeB » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:57 pm

stavros wrote:
MikeB wrote:
stavros wrote:for me the real rating difference will be on users pcs when sf 7 comes out
and rating lists,the tcec 8 superfinal its only for entertainment purpose,
or promotion or....
I would take the time control, the opening book, and the hardware of the Super Final over any blitz or bullet time control offered by other ratings lists.
right, back to reality: 99% of users dont have that, so for a average pc
rating lists and tests will show the difference.
You missed my point. Of course most of us don't have that.

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by stavros » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:36 pm

MikeB wrote:
stavros wrote:
MikeB wrote:
stavros wrote:for me the real rating difference will be on users pcs when sf 7 comes out
and rating lists,the tcec 8 superfinal its only for entertainment purpose,
or promotion or....
I would take the time control, the opening book, and the hardware of the Super Final over any blitz or bullet time control offered by other ratings lists.
right, back to reality: 99% of users dont have that, so for a average pc
rating lists and tests will show the difference.
You missed my point. Of course most of us don't have that.
i agree with you i wish i had that compo but...

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by neelbasant » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:53 pm

Here is the winning line..

[Event "TCEC SuperFinal 8"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2015.11.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "P2: 5 Stockfish"]
[Black "Komodo"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "IM Erik Kislik"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "7k/1P6/2P2q2/4pB2/8/4Q2K/1r6/8 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2013.11.20"]

{Endgames in which your king is being chased for a very long time by the
opponent's queen are some of the most unpleasant to play and calculate for the
side being chased: on every move, you have to try to calculate how to reach
safety and find a safe haven. In some cases, it is psychologically
overwhelming. Optically, in many cases having no pawn cover for your king
makes you feel like there is no way to protect the king from endless checks.
To help deal with this psychological flaw, once every couple of months, I turn
on an engine with 6-man Tablebases and play through some difficult endgames I
played with an exposed king in the past. Each time I discover something new,
and defensive ideas and patterns click a little bit more in my mind. Sometimes
extremely visually unpleasant moves start to look natural, and confusing lines
start to seem digestible. Queen endings in particular are very difficult for
human players to handle well. The following endgame features one of the most
impressive and unbelievable king walks I have ever seen.} 1. Bc2 $1 {This is a
beautiful move, intending Qe4 with an immediate win. The bishop cannot be
captured because the rook is overloaded with defending b8. It is an optically
surprising move because it looks like it can be captured but it really cannot.}
Rb4 2. Be4 $1 {Now that Qe4 is not possible, the bishop comes back to e4 to
block the fourth rank to protect its king.} Rb2 3. Kg4 $1 Qe6+ 4. Kg5 Qe7+ 5.
Kf5 Qf7+ 6. Kxe5 {This is a very difficult plan to decide on, but what most
likely could be determined by process of elimination: amazingly, Black appears
to hold the position by all normal means and attempts by White, so the only
way forward is to take the pawn and try to avoid the checks with the queen and
rook. The bishop will be instrumental in blocking those checks and taking away
important checking squares.} Qg7+ 7. Ke6 $3 {This is a beautiful piece of
reciprocal logic: coming to f5 immediately does not work because Black gets
perpetual check. By coming to e6 first, White makes it harder for Black's
queen to conveniently check the king.} (7. Kf5 Rb5+ 8. Kf4 Qh6+ 9. Kf3 Qh3+ $11
) 7... Qg8+ 8. Kf5 Rb5+ (8... Qf7+ 9. Kg4 Qe6+ (9... Qg8+ 10. Qg5 Qe6+ 11. Qf5
Qg8+ 12. Kh3 Rb3+ 13. Bf3 $18) 10. Kg3 Qg8+ 11. Kf4 Qf7+ 12. Bf5 Rb4+ 13. Kg3
Rb3 14. Bd3 Qg7+ 15. Kh3 {and the checks stop.}) 9. Kf4 {The king now begins
the journey home.} Qf7+ (9... Qg5+ 10. Kf3 Qh5+ 11. Kf2 Qh4+ 12. Ke2 $18) 10.
Kg3 Qf6 {With the king cut off on the g-file, Black shoots for ...Rg5+. White
can luckily allow the king to pass though with accurate defense.} (10... Qg7+
11. Kf2 Qf6+ 12. Ke2 Rb2+ (12... Qb2+ 13. Qd2 {ends the checks.}) 13. Ke1 Qh4+
14. Kd1 Qh5+ 15. Kc1 {and Black must resign.}) 11. Qf3 $1 Rg5+ 12. Kf2 Qb2+ 13.
Qe2 Qd4+ 14. Kf3 Qf6+ 15. Ke3 Qc3+ 16. Qd3 Qe1+ 17. Kf3 Rg3+ {Black can win
the queen, but White will promote with check.} (17... Qg3+ 18. Ke2 {walks the
king to safety.}) 18. Kf4 Qf2+ 19. Bf3 {finally stops the checks and wins for
White. After traveling all the way to e6 and back, the king has walked from f2
to f3 to e3 to f3 to f4 and found safety. Each time, the king tried to find a
way to block checks from the front. Now that Black is checking from behind,
the king resides safely on f4.} Qh2 20. Qc3+ Rg7+ (20... Kh7 21. Qc2+ $1 {
White had other ways to win, but this is the simplest and most satisfying.}
Qxc2 22. Be4+ Qxe4+ 23. Kxe4 Rg8 24. c7 {is a funny finish to the game.}) 21.
Ke3 Qh6+ 22. Kd4 {Now White's king is safe, and can comfortably hide behind
the pawns on b7 and c6. No special calculation is required from here on out.}
Qd6+ 23. Kc4 Qf4+ 24. Kb5 Qf5+ 25. Ka6 Qb1 26. c7 Qa2+ 27. Kb5 (27. Kb6 Qb1+
28. Ka7 Qa2+ 29. Kb8 Qh2 30. Qa1 {This prevents checks on the a-file.} Kh7 31.
Ka8 Qxc7 32. b8=Q $18 {is another way to queen.}) 27... Qb1+ 28. Ka4 Qa2+ 29.
Kb4 Qb1+ 30. Ka3 $18 *

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by M ANSARI » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:24 pm

The only winning moves seems to have been Bc2 ... here is clip analysis with 3 pv for K9.

New game
[d]7k/1P6/2P2q2/4pB2/8/4Q2K/1r6/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Komodo 9.01 64-bit:

1. +- (5.25): 64.Bc2 Rb4 65.Be4 Rb2 66.Kg4 Qe6+ 67.Kg5 Qe7+ 68.Kf5 Qf7+ 69.Kxe5 Qg7+ 70.Ke6 Qg8+ 71.Kf5 Rb5+ 72.Kf4 Qf7+ 73.Kg3 Qf6 74.Qf3 Qd6+ 75.Qf4 Rg5+ 76.Kf3 Qd1+ 77.Kf2 Qd4+ 78.Qe3 Qb2+ 79.Qe2 Qf6+ 80.Ke3 Qc3+ 81.Qd3 Qe1+ 82.Kf3 Qg3+ 83.Ke2 Qh2+ 84.Ke3 Qg3+ 85.Kd2 Qf2+ 86.Kc3 Qc5+ 87.Kb3 Qb6+ 88.Kc2 Qf2+ 89.Qd2 Rc5+ 90.Kd3 Qg3+ 91.Ke2 Qg4+ 92.Kf1 Rf5+ 93.Bxf5 Qxf5+ 94.Ke1 Qe4+ 95.Kd1
2. = (0.08): 64.Kg4 Rg2+ 65.Kf3 Rb2 66.Qe4 Qd6 67.Be6 Qd1+ 68.Kg3 Qg1+ 69.Kh4 Qg7 70.b8R+ Rxb8 71.Kh3 Qh6+ 72.Qh4 Qxh4+ 73.Kxh4 e4 74.c7 Rf8 75.Kg3 e3 76.c8Q Rxc8 77.Bxc8 Kg7 78.Ba6 Kf6 79.Kf4 Ke6 80.Kxe3 Kf5 81.Be2 Kf6 82.Kd4 Kf5 83.Bd3+ Kf6 84.Be4 Kg7 85.Ke3 Kh8 86.Kd3 Kg7 87.Bf3 Kg8 88.Kc2 Kg7
3. = (0.00): 64.Qe4 Qh6+ 65.Kg4 Qh2 66.Kg5 Kg7 67.Bh3 Qd2+ 68.Kh5 Qh6+ 69.Kg4 Qd6 70.Kh5 Qh6+

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by Thanar » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:33 pm

Wow, that was fascinating. Thanks for the analysis, Neel!

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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by AdminX » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:43 pm

neelbasant wrote:Here is the winning line..
[pgn]
[Event "TCEC SuperFinal 8"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2015.11.11"]
[Round "?"]
[White "P2: 5 Stockfish"]
[Black "Komodo"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "IM Erik Kislik"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "7k/1P6/2P2q2/4pB2/8/4Q2K/1r6/8 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "59"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2013.11.20"]

{Endgames in which your king is being chased for a very long time by the
opponent's queen are some of the most unpleasant to play and calculate for the
side being chased: on every move, you have to try to calculate how to reach
safety and find a safe haven. In some cases, it is psychologically
overwhelming. Optically, in many cases having no pawn cover for your king
makes you feel like there is no way to protect the king from endless checks.
To help deal with this psychological flaw, once every couple of months, I turn
on an engine with 6-man Tablebases and play through some difficult endgames I
played with an exposed king in the past. Each time I discover something new,
and defensive ideas and patterns click a little bit more in my mind. Sometimes
extremely visually unpleasant moves start to look natural, and confusing lines
start to seem digestible. Queen endings in particular are very difficult for
human players to handle well. The following endgame features one of the most
impressive and unbelievable king walks I have ever seen.} 1. Bc2 $1 {This is a
beautiful move, intending Qe4 with an immediate win. The bishop cannot be
captured because the rook is overloaded with defending b8. It is an optically
surprising move because it looks like it can be captured but it really cannot.}
Rb4 2. Be4 $1 {Now that Qe4 is not possible, the bishop comes back to e4 to
block the fourth rank to protect its king.} Rb2 3. Kg4 $1 Qe6+ 4. Kg5 Qe7+ 5.
Kf5 Qf7+ 6. Kxe5 {This is a very difficult plan to decide on, but what most
likely could be determined by process of elimination: amazingly, Black appears
to hold the position by all normal means and attempts by White, so the only
way forward is to take the pawn and try to avoid the checks with the queen and
rook. The bishop will be instrumental in blocking those checks and taking away
important checking squares.} Qg7+ 7. Ke6 $3 {This is a beautiful piece of
reciprocal logic: coming to f5 immediately does not work because Black gets
perpetual check. By coming to e6 first, White makes it harder for Black's
queen to conveniently check the king.} (7. Kf5 Rb5+ 8. Kf4 Qh6+ 9. Kf3 Qh3+ $11
) 7... Qg8+ 8. Kf5 Rb5+ (8... Qf7+ 9. Kg4 Qe6+ (9... Qg8+ 10. Qg5 Qe6+ 11. Qf5
Qg8+ 12. Kh3 Rb3+ 13. Bf3 $18) 10. Kg3 Qg8+ 11. Kf4 Qf7+ 12. Bf5 Rb4+ 13. Kg3
Rb3 14. Bd3 Qg7+ 15. Kh3 {and the checks stop.}) 9. Kf4 {The king now begins
the journey home.} Qf7+ (9... Qg5+ 10. Kf3 Qh5+ 11. Kf2 Qh4+ 12. Ke2 $18) 10.
Kg3 Qf6 {With the king cut off on the g-file, Black shoots for ...Rg5+. White
can luckily allow the king to pass though with accurate defense.} (10... Qg7+
11. Kf2 Qf6+ 12. Ke2 Rb2+ (12... Qb2+ 13. Qd2 {ends the checks.}) 13. Ke1 Qh4+
14. Kd1 Qh5+ 15. Kc1 {and Black must resign.}) 11. Qf3 $1 Rg5+ 12. Kf2 Qb2+ 13.
Qe2 Qd4+ 14. Kf3 Qf6+ 15. Ke3 Qc3+ 16. Qd3 Qe1+ 17. Kf3 Rg3+ {Black can win
the queen, but White will promote with check.} (17... Qg3+ 18. Ke2 {walks the
king to safety.}) 18. Kf4 Qf2+ 19. Bf3 {finally stops the checks and wins for
White. After traveling all the way to e6 and back, the king has walked from f2
to f3 to e3 to f3 to f4 and found safety. Each time, the king tried to find a
way to block checks from the front. Now that Black is checking from behind,
the king resides safely on f4.} Qh2 20. Qc3+ Rg7+ (20... Kh7 21. Qc2+ $1 {
White had other ways to win, but this is the simplest and most satisfying.}
Qxc2 22. Be4+ Qxe4+ 23. Kxe4 Rg8 24. c7 {is a funny finish to the game.}) 21.
Ke3 Qh6+ 22. Kd4 {Now White's king is safe, and can comfortably hide behind
the pawns on b7 and c6. No special calculation is required from here on out.}
Qd6+ 23. Kc4 Qf4+ 24. Kb5 Qf5+ 25. Ka6 Qb1 26. c7 Qa2+ 27. Kb5 (27. Kb6 Qb1+
28. Ka7 Qa2+ 29. Kb8 Qh2 30. Qa1 {This prevents checks on the a-file.} Kh7 31.
Ka8 Qxc7 32. b8=Q $18 {is another way to queen.}) 27... Qb1+ 28. Ka4 Qa2+ 29.
Kb4 Qb1+ 30. Ka3 $18 *[/pgn]
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Re: Komodo strikes first at the TCEC Superfinal

Post by Maharadja » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:44 pm

shrapnel wrote:
Maharadja wrote:Bc2 wins in all lines and it was in SF pv moves earlier, somehow it played Kg4.
Well, if it was that simple and obvious, Stockfish would have played it !
Maybe you should play instead of Stockfish. :)
The winning line was in SF pv as early as move 60 including the bizarre 70 Ke6! as can be seen from the archives

60. g4 h5 61. c6 hxg4+ 62. Bxg4 Qd6 63. Bf5 Qf6 64. Bc2 Rb4 65. Be4 Rb2 66. Kg4 Qe6+ 67. Kg5 Qe7+ 68. Kf5 Qf7+ 69. Kxe5 Qg7+ 70. Ke6 Qg8+ 71. Kf5 Rb5+ 72. Kf4

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