The Goering Gambit

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Carotino
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The Goering Gambit

Post by Carotino »

On this variant, very popular during the Romantic chess, rivers of ink have been spilled.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Bc5 6.d4 exd4 7.O-O d6 8.cxd4 Bb6 9.Nc3 Na5 10.Bg5 Ne7 11.Bxf7

After: 1... Kxf7 12.Nd5 Re8! (the best defense)

FEN: r1bqr3/ppp1nkpp/1b1p4/n2N2B1/3PP3/5N2/P4PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 2 13

Black can force a perpetual check with: 13.Bxe7 Rxe7 14.Ng5+ Kg8 15.Qh5 g6 16.Nf6+.

However, now comes the fun part:

for Stockfish-5 the best move is: 13.Nxe7??
for Komodo-8 the best move is: 13.e5??

Ippolit ver. 0.80 (single cpu): he instantly finds the best move (Bxe7) and the exact variant in less than 5 (five!) seconds. How is this possible? :)

1 -0.44 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 (0.00)
2 -0.44 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 (0.00)
3 -0.44 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 (0.00)
4 -0.74 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 3.Dd2 Rg8 (0.00)
5 -0.56 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cg5+ Rg8 3.Dh5 h6 4.Cxe7+ Dxe7 (0.00)
6 -0.56 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cg5+ Rg8 3.Dh5 h6 4.Cxe7+ Dxe7 (0.00)
7 -0.79 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 3.e5 Rg8 4.Dd3 Ae6 (0.01)
8 -0.89 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 3.d5 Rg8 4.Dd3 Ag4 5.Tac1 Axf3 6.Dxf3 (0.02)
9 -0.71 1.Cxe7 Txe7 2.e5 dxe5 3.Cxe5+ Rg8 4.Axe7 Dxe7 5.Te1 Af5 6.Df3 Tf8 7.Tac1 c6 (0.04)
10 -0.72 1.Cxe7 Txe7 2.e5 Rg8 3.exd6 cxd6 4.Axe7 Dxe7 5.Te1 Df8 6.Cg5 h6 7.Ce6 Axe6 8.Txe6 (0.07)
11 -0.76 1.Cxe7 Txe7 2.e5 Rg8 3.exd6 cxd6 4.Axe7 Dxe7 5.Te1 Df8 6.Da4 Af5 7.Cg5 Tc8 8.Tac1 (0.10)
12 -0.62 1.e5 Ae6 2.Cxe7 Txe7 3.d5 Ag4 4.e6+ Rg8 5.Tc1 Af5 6.Tc3 c6 7.Te1 Ac5 8.Cd4 Ag6 9.Axe7 Dxe7 (0.78)
13 -0.67 1.e5 Ae6 2.Cxe7 Txe7 3.d5 Ag4 4.h3 Axf3 5.Dxf3+ Rg8 6.e6 Ad4 7.Tad1 c5 8.dxc6 Cxc6 9.Axe7 Dxe7 10.De4 (0.91)
14 -0.61 1.e5 Ae6 2.Cxe7 Txe7 3.d5 Ag4 4.h3 Axf3 5.Dxf3+ Rg8 6.e6 Ad4 7.Tad1 c5 8.dxc6 Cxc6 9.Axe7 Dxe7 10.De4 Ae5 11.f4 (1.32)
15 +0.00 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cg5+ Rg8 3.Dh5 g6 4.Cf6+ Rg7 5.Dxh7+ Rxf6 6.e5+ Rxg5 7.f4+ Rf5 8.Dh3+ Re4 9.Df3+ Rf5 10.Dh3+ (4.65)
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by zullil »

Carotino wrote:On this variant, very popular during the Romantic chess, rivers of ink have been spilled.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Bc5 6.d4 exd4 7.O-O d6 8.cxd4 Bb6 9.Nc3 Na5 10.Bg5 Ne7 11.Bxf7

After: 1... Kxf7 12.Nd5 Re8! (the best defense)

[D]r1bqr3/ppp1nkpp/1b1p4/n2N2B1/3PP3/5N2/P4PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 2 13

Black can force a perpetual check with: 13.Bxe7 Rxe7 14.Ng5+ Kg8 15.Qh5 g6 16.Nf6+.

However, now comes the fun part:

for Stockfish-5 the best move is: 13.Nxe7??
for Komodo-8 the best move is: 13.e5??

Ippolit ver. 0.80 (single cpu): he instantly finds the best move (Bxe7) and the exact variant in less than 5 (five!) seconds. How is this possible? :)

1 -0.44 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 (0.00)
2 -0.44 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 (0.00)
3 -0.44 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 (0.00)
4 -0.74 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 3.Dd2 Rg8 (0.00)
5 -0.56 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cg5+ Rg8 3.Dh5 h6 4.Cxe7+ Dxe7 (0.00)
6 -0.56 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cg5+ Rg8 3.Dh5 h6 4.Cxe7+ Dxe7 (0.00)
7 -0.79 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 3.e5 Rg8 4.Dd3 Ae6 (0.01)
8 -0.89 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cxe7 Dxe7 3.d5 Rg8 4.Dd3 Ag4 5.Tac1 Axf3 6.Dxf3 (0.02)
9 -0.71 1.Cxe7 Txe7 2.e5 dxe5 3.Cxe5+ Rg8 4.Axe7 Dxe7 5.Te1 Af5 6.Df3 Tf8 7.Tac1 c6 (0.04)
10 -0.72 1.Cxe7 Txe7 2.e5 Rg8 3.exd6 cxd6 4.Axe7 Dxe7 5.Te1 Df8 6.Cg5 h6 7.Ce6 Axe6 8.Txe6 (0.07)
11 -0.76 1.Cxe7 Txe7 2.e5 Rg8 3.exd6 cxd6 4.Axe7 Dxe7 5.Te1 Df8 6.Da4 Af5 7.Cg5 Tc8 8.Tac1 (0.10)
12 -0.62 1.e5 Ae6 2.Cxe7 Txe7 3.d5 Ag4 4.e6+ Rg8 5.Tc1 Af5 6.Tc3 c6 7.Te1 Ac5 8.Cd4 Ag6 9.Axe7 Dxe7 (0.78)
13 -0.67 1.e5 Ae6 2.Cxe7 Txe7 3.d5 Ag4 4.h3 Axf3 5.Dxf3+ Rg8 6.e6 Ad4 7.Tad1 c5 8.dxc6 Cxc6 9.Axe7 Dxe7 10.De4 (0.91)
14 -0.61 1.e5 Ae6 2.Cxe7 Txe7 3.d5 Ag4 4.h3 Axf3 5.Dxf3+ Rg8 6.e6 Ad4 7.Tad1 c5 8.dxc6 Cxc6 9.Axe7 Dxe7 10.De4 Ae5 11.f4 (1.32)
15 +0.00 1.Axe7 Txe7 2.Cg5+ Rg8 3.Dh5 g6 4.Cf6+ Rg7 5.Dxh7+ Rxf6 6.e5+ Rxg5 7.f4+ Rf5 8.Dh3+ Re4 9.Df3+ Rf5 10.Dh3+ (4.65)
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Re: The Goering Gambit

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Carotino wrote:On this variant, very popular during the Romantic chess, rivers of ink have been spilled.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Bc5 6.d4 exd4 7.O-O d6 8.cxd4 Bb6 9.Nc3 Na5 10.Bg5 Ne7 11.Bxf7

After: 1... Kxf7 12.Nd5 Re8! (the best defense)

FEN: r1bqr3/ppp1nkpp/1b1p4/n2N2B1/3PP3/5N2/P4PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 2 13

Black can force a perpetual check with: 13.Bxe7 Rxe7 14.Ng5+ Kg8 15.Qh5 g6 16.Nf6+.

However, now comes the fun part:

for Stockfish-5 the best move is: 13.Nxe7??
Latest development version of Stockfish finds the drawing line at depth 32, in about a minute (with 16 threads):

Code: Select all

info depth 32 currmove e4e5 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 currmove d5b6 currmovenumber 2
info depth 32 currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 36
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -173 lowerbound nodes 1014376846 nps 16453267 time 61652 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -167 lowerbound nodes 1016599153 nps 16423780 time 61898 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -158 lowerbound nodes 1021798259 nps 16341451 time 62528 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -147 lowerbound nodes 1023157799 nps 16313362 time 62719 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -131 lowerbound nodes 1027129697 nps 16265692 time 63147 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -109 lowerbound nodes 1028986025 nps 16242616 time 63351 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -79 lowerbound nodes 1033508894 nps 16200976 time 63793 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp -39 lowerbound nodes 1042015225 nps 16142510 time 64551 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4d4 a1c1 a5c4 f1d1 d4c5 f3d5 c5b4 g1h1 c4e5
info depth 32 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 32 currmove d5b6 currmovenumber 2
info depth 32 currmove f3d2 currmovenumber 25
info depth 32 seldepth 53 score cp 0 nodes 1053811161 nps 16011960 time 65814 multipv 1 pv g5e7 e8e7 f3g5 f7g8 d1h5 g7g6 d5f6 g8g7 h5h7 g7f6 e4e5 f6g5 f2f4 g5f5 h7h3 f5e4 h3f3 e4f5 f3h3
info depth 33 currmove g5e7 currmovenumber 1
info depth 33 currmove f1e1 currmovenumber 14
info depth 33 currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 29
info depth 33 currmove a1b1 currmovenumber 35
info depth 33 currmove f3e1 currmovenumber 36
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by jdart »

This is actually the Evans Gambit.

Goering Gambit is:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. c3

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Carotino
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by Carotino »

True, mine was an inaccuracy. The exact definition is: Evans Gambit, variant Goering Attack.

"Latest development version of Stockfish finds the drawing line at depth 32, in about a minute (with 16 threads)"

Stockfish: 16 threads, 1 min.
Ippolit 0.80: 1 (one) thread, 5 seconds (to be precise: 4.65 sec.).

There is a big difference... Houston, we have a problem.
Too many cuts? Or what else?
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by reflectionofpower »

About 6 engines of mine found it pretty quickly on my 4 core i7 but Deep Junior 2010 (Psycho) found it instantly.
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by peter »

Very good finding, Roberto!
Gull3 seems to have the same weakness here
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by jefk »

[quote="peter"]Very good finding, Roberto!
Gull3 seems to have the same weakness here[/quote]

yes the Evan's gambit is sound and fun to play,
The Black move 5...Bc5 is probably not so good
(instead of Bg5 after ...NA5 White can also play Be2).

What i have as main Evan's gambit lines is something like this
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. O-O Nf6 8. e5 d5 9. exf6 dxc4 10. fxg7 Rg8 11. Re1+ Be6 12. Bg5 Qd5 13. Nbd2 Rxg7 14. Ne4 Kf8 15. Bh6 Bg4 16. Nf6
( 16. Rb1 Qh5 17. Qc1 Bxf3 18. Qa3+ Bb4 19. Bxg7+ Kxg7 20. cxb4 Bxe4 21. Rxe4 b5 22. Qg3+ Kh8 23. Rbe1 )
16... Qf5 17. Bxg7+ Kxg7 18. Nxg4 Qxg4 19. Nxd4 Qxd1 20. Raxd1 Bxc3 =
but there are lots of sidelines of course.

Haven't included Evan's in my book (Goering, yes!) because of
a possible 3...Nf6 the two knights game. But then with 4.d4 White
can also continue in gambit style, so it is a playable alternative
besides the move 2.d4 which i like if White goes for a gambit.

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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by Eelco de Groot »

I don't get it, why this is so hard for Stockfish. If in check there is no early pruning, so that should rule out nullmove, ProbCut, Futility pruning when above alpha (or the so called static nullmove). In the next ply any check then receives an extension of a full ply, unless the check has a negative Static Exchange Evaluation. Modifying the extension rule to include all checks when in positions with a with a bad static eval makes no difference. Modifying LMR makes no difference.

This position takes too long:

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2014.12.13"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Bc5 6. d4
exd4 7. O-O d6 8. cxd4 Bb6 9. Nc3 Na5 10. Bg5 Ne7 11. Bxf7+
Kxf7 12. Nd5 Re8 13. Bxe7 Rxe7 14. Ng5+ Kg8 15. Qh5 g6 *[/pgn]


[D]r1bq2k1/ppp1r2p/1b1p2p1/n2N2NQ/3PP3/8/P4PPP/R4RK1 w - -

Engine: Sf20141112_007 MOD MP (Q6700, 4 threads, 512 MB)
by Tord Romstad, Marco Costalba and Joona Kiiski

18/22 0:01 -2.12 16.Qh4 Rf7 17.Qh6 Rg7 18.e5 dxe5
19.Nxh7 Rxh7 20.Qxg6+ Rg7 21.Nf6+ Kf8
22.Qh6 Qd6 23.dxe5 Qc6 24.g3 Nc4
25.Qh8+ Kf7 26.Nh5 (2.843.737) 2346

19/24 0:02 -3.00 16.Qh4 Rf7 17.Rfd1 c6 18.Nxb6 axb6
19.Rdc1 b5 20.Qh6 Re7 21.Rc3 d5
22.Rg3 Qf8 23.Qxf8+ Kxf8 24.exd5 Nc4
25.dxc6 bxc6 (5.475.036) 2470

20/25 0:02 -2.92 16.Qh6 Rg7 17.e5 dxe5 18.Nxh7 Rxh7
19.Qxg6+ Rg7 20.Nf6+ Kf8 21.Qh6 Qd6
22.dxe5 Qxe5 23.Rae1 Bxf2+ 24.Kxf2 Qc5+
25.Qe3 Qxe3+ 26.Kxe3 Rxg2 27.Nd5+ Kg8
28.Nxc7 Nc4+ 29.Kd3 (7.111.630) 2521

21/27 0:03 -2.70++ 16.Qh6 (7.615.214) 2533

21/27 0:03 -2.56++ 16.Qh6 (7.748.248) 2537

21/27 0:03 -2.36++ 16.Qh6 (7.937.124) 2540

21/28 0:03 -2.19 16.Qh6 Qf8 17.Qxf8+ Kxf8 18.Nxe7 Kxe7
19.d5 h6 20.Nf3 Bd7 21.Rab1 g5 22.h3 Rf8
23.Nd2 c6 24.Rbc1 Bc5 25.Rb1 a6
26.dxc6 (9.594.539) 2547

22/28 0:04 -2.27-- 16.Qh6 Qf8 (10.484.648) 2575

22/28 0:04 -2.20++ 16.Qh6 (10.938.725) 2587

22/28 0:04 -2.27-- 16.Qh6 Qf8 (11.186.888) 2586

22/28 0:04 -2.22 16.Qh6 Qf8 17.Qxf8+ Kxf8 18.Nxe7 Kxe7
19.d5 h6 20.Nf3 Bg4 21.Rac1 g5 22.h4 Bxf3
23.gxf3 gxh4 24.Kg2 c6 25.dxc6 Nxc6
26.f4 Nb4 27.Rcd1 Nxa2 (11.431.607) 2574

23/28 0:05 -2.22 16.Qh6 Qf8 17.Qxf8+ Kxf8 18.Nxe7 Kxe7
19.d5 h6 20.Nf3 Bd7 21.Rfc1 Rf8
22.Rc3 g5 23.h3 h5 24.Rf1 g4 25.Nh4 Rf6
26.hxg4 hxg4 27.Rcc1 g3 (14.926.409) 2577

24/28 0:07 -2.31-- 16.Qh6 Qf8 (18.466.728) 2630

24/31 0:07 -2.37-- 16.Qh6 Qf8 (20.057.161) 2653

24/31 0:08 -2.46-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (23.026.163) 2674

24/31 0:08 -2.38++ 16.Qh6 (23.802.583) 2673

24/31 0:09 -2.49-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (24.640.538) 2680

24/31 0:09 -2.60 16.Qh6 Rg7 17.e5 dxe5 18.Nxh7 Bxd4
19.Ndf6+ Kf7 20.Rac1 Nc6 21.Rfd1 Bf5
22.g4 Be6 23.a3 Qh8 24.Re1 Bxg4
25.Rb1 Rxh7 26.Nxh7 Qg7 27.Ng5+ Kg8
28.Qxg7+ Kxg7 29.Rxb7 (26.792.204) 2680

25/31 0:11 -2.70-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (29.868.002) 2695

25/31 0:12 -2.76-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (33.015.009) 2701

25/31 0:13 -2.69++ 16.Qh6 (35.549.673) 2707

25/31 0:14 -2.77-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (38.329.191) 2714

25/31 0:14 -2.66++ 16.Qh6 (40.141.489) 2710

25/32 0:15 -2.82-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (43.166.321) 2711

25/32 0:16 -2.58++ 16.Qh6 (43.812.114) 2708

25/32 0:16 -2.53 16.Qh6 Rg7 17.e5 dxe5 18.Nxh7 Rxh7
19.Qxg6+ Rg7 20.Nf6+ Kf8 21.Qh6 Nc6
22.dxe5 Bd4 23.Rad1 Be6 24.Rfe1 Qe7
25.Qf4 a5 26.Rxd4 Nxd4 27.Nh7+ Ke8
28.Nf6+ Kd8 29.Qxd4+ (44.664.436) 2706

26/32 0:18 -2.63-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (50.509.486) 2723

26/32 0:19 -2.69-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (52.278.063) 2729

26/32 0:20 -2.78-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (55.809.111) 2727

26/33 0:23 -2.92-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (63.343.433) 2732

26/34 0:27 -2.82 16.Qh6 Rg7 17.e5 dxe5 18.Nxh7 Bxd4
19.Ndf6+ Kf7 20.Rfd1 Nc4 21.Rab1 Bf5
22.Rbc1 Nb2 23.Rd2 (74.624.476) 2734

27/34 0:30 -2.93-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (82.795.044) 2744

27/34 0:32 -2.99-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (90.342.500) 2754

27/34 0:33 -2.92++ 16.Qh6 (91.910.793) 2749

27/34 0:33 -2.78++ 16.Qh6 (92.959.136) 2750

27/34 0:34 -2.72 16.Qh6 Rg7 17.e5 dxe5 18.Nxh7 Rxh7
19.Qxg6+ Rg7 20.Nf6+ Kf8 21.Qh6 Nc6
22.dxe5 Bd4 23.Rad1 Be6 24.Rfe1 Nxe5
25.Qf4 Rf7 26.Nh7+ Kg8 27.Qxd4 Qxd4
28.Rxd4 Rf5 29.Nf6+ (95.234.996) 2746

28/35 0:35 -2.66++ 16.Qh6 (98.126.808) 2737

28/35 0:36 -2.60++ 16.Qh6 (99.003.482) 2737

28/35 0:39 -2.67-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (108.944.952) 2743

28/35 0:42 -2.81-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (116.148.109) 2744

28/36 0:51 -3.02-- 16.Qh6 Rg7 (139.689.516) 2734

28/36 0:56 -3.04 16.Qh6 Rg7 17.e5 dxe5 18.Nxh7 Rxh7
19.Qxg6+ Rg7 20.Nf6+ Kf8 21.Qh6 Bh3
22.Nh5 Qg5 23.Qxg7+ Qxg7 24.Nxg7 Kxg7
25.gxh3 exd4 26.Rac1 c5 27.Rfe1 c4
28.Kg2 Rh8 29.Re6 (153.406.944) 2732

29/36 0:57 -2.98++ 16.Qh6 (158.455.092) 2737

29/36 1:02 -2.92++ 16.Nf6+ (170.541.947) 2747

29/36 1:03 -2.82++ 16.Nf6+ (172.961.030) 2743

29/36 1:03 -2.68++ 16.Nf6+ (174.445.152) 2741

29/36 1:04 -2.48++ 16.Nf6+ (177.849.209) 2741

29/36 1:05 -2.16++ 16.Nf6+ (180.781.854) 2742

29/44 1:06 -1.69++ 16.Nf6+ (181.882.047) 2742

29/44 1:07 -0.99++ 16.Nf6+ (184.537.294) 2744

29/46 1:09 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (190.793.941) 2744

30/46 1:12 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (198.123.578) 2738

31/46 1:14 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (203.612.249) 2739

32/46 1:18 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (215.338.585) 2739

33/46 1:24 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (231.371.189) 2742

34/46 1:33 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (256.895.682) 2753

35/46 1:41 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (279.085.410) 2746

36/46 2:00 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (334.526.088) 2779

37/46 2:22 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (399.966.144) 2804

38/46 2:38 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (445.742.035) 2808

39/46 3:01 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (515.031.273) 2830

40/46 3:50 0.00 16.Nf6+ Kg7 17.Qxh7+ Kxf6 18.e5+ Kxg5
19.f4+ Kf5 20.Qh3+ Ke4 21.Qf3+ Kf5
22.Qh3+ (665.189.582) 2883

best move: Nd5-f6 time: 4:18.666 min n/s: 2.883.728 nodes: 748.052.485
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Uri Blass
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Re: The Goering Gambit

Post by Uri Blass »

Carotino wrote:True, mine was an inaccuracy. The exact definition is: Evans Gambit, variant Goering Attack.

"Latest development version of Stockfish finds the drawing line at depth 32, in about a minute (with 16 threads)"

Stockfish: 16 threads, 1 min.
Ippolit 0.80: 1 (one) thread, 5 seconds (to be precise: 4.65 sec.).

There is a big difference... Houston, we have a problem.
Too many cuts? Or what else?
The problem is
why Ippolit find this super hard combination so fast.

You need to find that black is losing in the following line
in order to find the combination.
22.Rac1 is winning for white but if you try real weak engines they need some seconds to see that white does not lose after Kxd4 so seeing it from the root position is too complex.

[pgn]
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "URIBLASS-THINK"]
[Date "2014.12.14"]
[Round "?"]
[White "UriBlass"]
[Black "Houdini_3_x64"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2000"]
[Time "10:29:50"]
[WhiteElo "2000"]
[TimeControl "120+6"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqr3/ppp1nkpp/1b1p4/n2N2B1/3PP3/5N2/P4PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 13"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "18"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

13. Bxe7 Rxe7 14. Ng5+ Kg8 15. Qh5 g6 16. Nf6+ Kg7 17. Qxh7+ Kxf6 18. e5+
Kxg5 19. f4+ Kf5 20. Qh3+ Ke4 21. Qf3+ Kxd4 *[/pgn]
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