Hard testposition from master Om

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Hard testposition from master Om

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[D]4rb2/1p1q1ppk/p1n1p2p/2p1Pn2/3PNR2/2P2K2/P2QBP2/6R1 w - -

Does Stockfish find the correct move ?

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Re: Hard testposition from master Om

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HA !
Komodo 8 gets the correct Rxf5 in one second FLAT on my (rather superb ! ) computer ! Beat THAT !
Stockfish finds it very late...another weakness discovered in the otherwise formidable Stockfish !
Actually, for a long time Stockfish recommends the losing 1. Kg2...HAHHAHA
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What was so hard about it anyway, except maybe for BLIND-FISH ! :lol:
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I noticed that most of the my programs found Rxf5 rather quickly whereas SF is not the case. You can't have it all.
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Re: Hard testposition from master Om

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On my comp the old Vitruvius 1.0 H jumps on Rxf5 at depth 15.
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noctiferus wrote:On my comp the old Vitruvius 1.0 H jumps on Rxf5 at depth 15.
Vitruvius 1.11_HEM on my i7 finds it pretty much in 1 sec. or less. I like that program by the way. I use it to analyze my human games sometimes.
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Re: Hard testposition from master Om

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"I use it to analyze"

me too. I find his analysis quite reliable.
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noctiferus wrote:"I use it to analyze"

me too. I find his analysis quite reliable.
I saw one GM's comment,"That it was too conservative" which I do not agree with. I think it's very positional (speculative sometimes) and solid all the way around. I noticed it rips throiugh the plys fast too.
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Agreed.
I remember that I saw somewhere that Roberto Munter stopped this project, to go on with Deep Saros.
Pity, if I remember correctly.
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noctiferus wrote:Agreed.
I remember that I saw somewhere that Roberto Munter stopped this project, to go on with Deep Saros.
Pity, if I remember correctly.
I believe you are right.
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Re: Hard testposition from master Om

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Even without looking at the position I guessed it would either be: Rook sac, Queen sac, or subtle Queen move.

SF is really good about finding minor piece sacrifices but tends to struggle with major pieces.

I doubt Rxf5 is really the problem here, but rather Qxh6+ in the followup. I've tried various search tweaks to find these types of moves. And I have even had some success but always with the downside of lowering the overall playing strength.