Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Very interesting, go Nakamura!
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
So not only is Nakamura using an older engine, he is also using a vastly slower computer? Why doesn't he just use his normal laptop?Nitro wrote:One month after the very entertaining match between GM Naroditsky + Rybka and Stockfish (described here by Naroditsky: http://www.chess.com/article/view/how-r ... -the-world), we will be hosting another match with the best chess player in the United States: Hikaru Nakamura (FIDE 2787 Elo, and a remarkable 2906 Elo at Blitz).
The format will be similar, but not exactly the same. The first two games will be the same as the previous match: Nakamura will be able to use Rybka 3 on a 2008 MacBook to analyze moves in a 45'/30" match against the latest build of Stockfish on a current 8-core Mac Pro. Each side will play as white once, and Stockfish will have no opening book (and no tablebases).
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
My guess is the machine is there just to help him from making an embarrassing blunder.
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
But yet again,this is not a classic game of chess....Jhoravi wrote:I don't like that idea because it limits the analytical strength of the main engine. The pawn handicap is ideal because despite the odds, its analytical power is at maximum and it's very interesting how it uses those resources to get around the material deficit.Adam Hair wrote: I would prefer to see a time odds match also.
It's some kind of a mutation and it does not prove anything....
To go a little bit further,it's actually an ugly variation of chess....
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Exactly....Jim Collins wrote:My guess is the machine is there just to help him from making an embarrassing blunder.
Tactical that is....
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Thank you again... !Nitro wrote:One month after the very entertaining match between GM Naroditsky + Rybka and Stockfish (described here by Naroditsky: http://www.chess.com/article/view/how-r ... -the-world), we will be hosting another match with the best chess player in the United States: Hikaru Nakamura (FIDE 2787 Elo, and a remarkable 2906 Elo at Blitz).
The format will be similar, but not exactly the same. The first two games will be the same as the previous match: Nakamura will be able to use Rybka 3 on a 2008 MacBook to analyze moves in a 45'/30" match against the latest build of Stockfish on a current 8-core Mac Pro. Each side will play as white once, and Stockfish will have no opening book (and no tablebases).
For the last two games, Nakamura will play by himself (no help from Rybka), but he will have move-and-pawn odds against Stockfish. Specifically, he will play as white both games, and Stockfish will play black with one pawn removed. The pawn to be removed will be selected at random by rolling an 8-sided die before each of the two games. The time control will be the same as the first two games.
The actual games will be played on a physical chess board; I'll be making the moves on behalf of Stockfish.
We will be broadcasting the games live on chess.com, but we'd also like to invite any of you to attend the match in person, where you'll be able to see real-time mirrored feeds from both of the two computers, watch Nakamura play live, and interact with him and other chess fans.
The event is next Saturday (August 23) in Hillsborough, California (just a bit south of San Francisco). If you'd like to come, please RSVP here:
https://www.facebook.com/events/312975918877354/
We'll have complimentary snacks, lunch, and drinks.
In the meantime, feel free to vote on who you think will win the match!
I have no patience to the final results of this interesting duel...
Btw,
If Nakamura will use a very well-optimized strong book for Rybka 3,
Then I expect to see almost equal performance ...
To be honest (in case of serious matches),
Engines should not be tested without pawns or without books,
because (depending on speed hardware, hashtable size, time control etc..) they are repeating and playing almost same games...
and a good memorized GM can remember the previous played games and of course later can make draws even against top engines
Keep up he good work,
Sedat
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
He dosen't have to be a GM Sedat ....Sedat Canbaz wrote:Thank you again... !Nitro wrote:One month after the very entertaining match between GM Naroditsky + Rybka and Stockfish (described here by Naroditsky: http://www.chess.com/article/view/how-r ... -the-world), we will be hosting another match with the best chess player in the United States: Hikaru Nakamura (FIDE 2787 Elo, and a remarkable 2906 Elo at Blitz).
The format will be similar, but not exactly the same. The first two games will be the same as the previous match: Nakamura will be able to use Rybka 3 on a 2008 MacBook to analyze moves in a 45'/30" match against the latest build of Stockfish on a current 8-core Mac Pro. Each side will play as white once, and Stockfish will have no opening book (and no tablebases).
For the last two games, Nakamura will play by himself (no help from Rybka), but he will have move-and-pawn odds against Stockfish. Specifically, he will play as white both games, and Stockfish will play black with one pawn removed. The pawn to be removed will be selected at random by rolling an 8-sided die before each of the two games. The time control will be the same as the first two games.
The actual games will be played on a physical chess board; I'll be making the moves on behalf of Stockfish.
We will be broadcasting the games live on chess.com, but we'd also like to invite any of you to attend the match in person, where you'll be able to see real-time mirrored feeds from both of the two computers, watch Nakamura play live, and interact with him and other chess fans.
The event is next Saturday (August 23) in Hillsborough, California (just a bit south of San Francisco). If you'd like to come, please RSVP here:
https://www.facebook.com/events/312975918877354/
We'll have complimentary snacks, lunch, and drinks.
In the meantime, feel free to vote on who you think will win the match!
I have no patience to the final results of this interesting duel...
Btw,
If Nakamura will use a very well-optimized strong book for Rybka 3,
Then I expect to see almost equal performance ...
To be honest (in case of serious matches),
Engines should not be tested without pawns or without books,
because (depending on speed hardware, hashtable size, time control etc..) they are repeating and playing almost same games...
and a good memorized GM can remember the previous played games and of course later can make draws even against top engines
Keep up he good work,
Sedat
A 30-40 games against the chess engine making the same moves will be more than enough for a guy like you or me to hold the silicon beast to a draw
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Hello Wael,Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
He dosen't have to be a GM Sedat ....
A 30-40 games against the chess engine making the same moves will be more than enough for a guy like you or me to hold the silicon beast to a draw
Dr.D
I am glad that you see the reality too
For example, in case of MP Blitz testing and without books,
We can see slightly more different games....
But at slow time controls,
The similarity of the games are much close to each other...
And here is an example : SCCT Swiss (45m+15s) - Without books:
Just is needed to be played the same moves...:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=133
And exception draws...
Even some of top engines can be beaten (if we will follow the mentioned above special setup)
Best,
Sedat
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
The answer is clear - if the games would be chess960 then that would be a huge improvementDr.Wael Deeb wrote: But yet again,this is not a classic game of chess....
It's some kind of a mutation and it does not prove anything....
To go a little bit further,it's actually an ugly variation of chess....
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Re: Nakamura vs Stockfish, public match 8/23
Actually that is a good idea.Modern Times wrote:The answer is clear - if the games would be chess960 then that would be a huge improvementDr.Wael Deeb wrote: But yet again,this is not a classic game of chess....
It's some kind of a mutation and it does not prove anything....
To go a little bit further,it's actually an ugly variation of chess....
Dr.D
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