Muller, Hyatt, Schroder and other elderly

[kgburcham]

Most here are tired of reading how the old programmers feel.
When these three have gone to shoot pool with St. Peter then the young and new wont have these same feelings and complaints.
I wonder how the young and new will manage their tournaments.
I wonder if the young and new will care about reverse engineering.
I wonder if the young and new will use words like "stealing code".
The next 5 years will be interesting.
Muller and Hyatt---I suspect that most of what you say is true, I suspect that most of your ideas and opinions are correct but do you really expect the young and new to care about your complaints?
Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

[Harvey Williamson]

Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

Until they are asked to write a Chess program from scratch and they will say,
"How?"

[gerold]

Hyatt, Muller and Schroder have pointed out how hard it may be to set-up a new WCCC. Requires more than one man running one computer with top engines playing.

[gerold]

Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

Until they are asked to write a Chess program from scratch and they will say,
"How?"

A super plus on that comment.

[kgburcham]

Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

Until they are asked to write a Chess program from scratch and they will say,
"How?"

Ok Harvey good answer.
But this same young and new full of energy is at the top of his class and has new ideas and starts with a combination of Stockfish, Komodo, and Houdini 8, improves and tunes and has number one chess program, doesn't have to start from scratch and wont, starting from scratch is for the outdated.
kgburcham

[kgburcham]

Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

Until they are asked to write a Chess program from scratch and they will say,
"How?"

A super plus on that comment.

a super plus in 2014--but wont mean anything to the new and young in the future.
kgburcham

[Harvey Williamson]

Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

Until they are asked to write a Chess program from scratch and they will say,
"How?"

A super plus on that comment.

a super plus in 2014--but wont mean anything to the new and young in the future.
kgburcham

Surely some test that the person entering a program is more than a hex editor/tuner is appropriate?

[velmarin]

I'm not any younger, and I am grandfather.

But a novice student. amateur programmer.
I feel very honored to read, very honored when they have responded.
Although I do not share their ideas many times.

Very large all, I hope they continue giving war years nd years...

[mwyoung]

Most here are tired of reading how the old programmers feel.
When these three have gone to shoot pool with St. Peter then the young and new wont have these same feelings and complaints.
I wonder how the young and new will manage their tournaments.
I wonder if the young and new will care about reverse engineering.
I wonder if the young and new will use words like "stealing code".
The next 5 years will be interesting.
Muller and Hyatt---I suspect that most of what you say is true, I suspect that most of your ideas and opinions are correct but do you really expect the young and new to care about your complaints?
Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

I see a post like this and it just makes me sad. The progress the newer programmers have make is only because they built on the work and foundations of what you disrespectfully call the elderly.

Some of the newer programmers would be lucky to write a chess program that could play legal moves. If given no knowledge of what came before them.

[kgburcham]

Someday someone might ask "do you remember Hyatt and Muller", and the young will answer, "who"
kgburcham

Until they are asked to write a Chess program from scratch and they will say,
"How?"

A super plus on that comment.

a super plus in 2014--but wont mean anything to the new and young in the future.
kgburcham

Surely some test that the person entering a program is more than a hex editor/tuner is appropriate?

The young and new will deal with a hex editor/tuner differently than todays old ideas. Your in the old group Harvey.
You have grown with the chess computer world, you are full of old ideas, maybe some new.
Your ideas wont be like the young and new of the future, they wont care about Rybka code, Crafty code, Robbo code, Houdini code, etc. They will use the best existing code and make it better.
kgburcham