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Re: New Fritz author?

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Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Kai,
Laskos wrote:I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.
Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve
He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.
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Re: New Fritz author?

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Sounded more like an accusation wrapped in irony to me.
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Re: New Fritz author?

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Albert Silver wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Kai,
Laskos wrote:I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.
Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve
He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.
Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

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CL
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Re: New Fritz author?

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Hi Carl,

I have Fritz 10, 12 and 13 - so missed 11. I was also impressed by 10. It seemed to a good engine.

So what's Frans Morsch up to these days? I had thought he was one of the very few professional chess programmers left.

Anyone know?

Steve
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Re: New Fritz author?

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Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Carl,

I have Fritz 10, 12 and 13 - so missed 11. I was also impressed by 10. It seemed to a good engine.

So what's Frans Morsch up to these days? I had thought he was one of the very few professional chess programmers left.

Anyone know?

Steve
Hi Steve,

It is a good question. It seems to me that his involvement in the Fritz project actually diminished after the success he had with Fritz 10. Some people say that CB wanted to catch up to Rybka and 'remodeled' Fritz to play more like Rybka, and thus we got Fritz 11-13, stronger but unimpressive.

Right now he seems to be out of the picture completely, which raises some questions.
However intrigued I am by the Pandix engine [aka Fritz 14], I do have to wonder about Frans Morsch exiting thru the backdoor like this. :o

Carl
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Re: New Fritz author?

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carldaman wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Carl,

I have Fritz 10, 12 and 13 - so missed 11. I was also impressed by 10. It seemed to a good engine.

So what's Frans Morsch up to these days? I had thought he was one of the very few professional chess programmers left.

Anyone know?

Steve
Hi Steve,

It is a good question. It seems to me that his involvement in the Fritz project actually diminished after the success he had with Fritz 10. Some people say that CB wanted to catch up to Rybka and 'remodeled' Fritz to play more like Rybka, and thus we got Fritz 11-13, stronger but unimpressive.

Right now he seems to be out of the picture completely, which raises some questions.
However intrigued I am by the Pandix engine [aka Fritz 14], I do have to wonder about Frans Morsch exiting thru the backdoor like this. :o

Carl
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Re: New Fritz author?

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Thanks for clarifying, Albert. I did not know the details.

CL
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Re: New Fritz author?

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carldaman wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Kai,
Laskos wrote:I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.
Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve
He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.
Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL
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Re: New Fritz author?

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A Distel wrote:
carldaman wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Kai,
Laskos wrote:I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.
Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve
He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.
Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL
Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?
Deep Fritz 10.1 (version: 10.1.0.0; date of the version: 03-03-2007; size: 913.408 bytes) !

This engine has great tactical skills !

Regards,
SilvianR :wink:
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Re: New Fritz author?

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Sylwy wrote:
A Distel wrote:
carldaman wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
Steve Maughan wrote:Hi Kai,
Laskos wrote:I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.
Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve
He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.
Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL
Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?
Deep Fritz 10.1 (version: 10.1.0.0; date of the version: 03-03-2007; size: 913.408 bytes) !

This engine has great tactical skills !

Regards,
SilvianR :wink:
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