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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:58 pm

JuLieN wrote:Shimon has a point : according to SF4 one move was certainly above a handful of other. Not by a big margin (half a pawn), but clearly it was the only move that didn't draw directly :

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-0.48/39 37...Bd4 38.Qe2 Rf8 39.Rf3 Qc5 40.Kg2 b4 41.Rxf8 Qxf8 42.Bc2 Qf6 43.Bb3 e5 44.f3 Qc6 45.Qc2 Qc3 46.Qxc3 Bxc3 47.Kf2 Bd4+ 48.Ke2 Bc5 49.Bd5 Bb6 50.Kf1 Kh6 51.Ke2 g5 52.hxg5+ Kxg5 53.Bb3 Bc7 54.Kf2 Kf5 55.Bd5 Bb6+ 56.Ke2 Bc5 57.Ke1 Bd4
0.00/39 37...Qe7 38.Qd1 Rd8 39.Qb1 Rxd3 40.Qxd3 b4 41.Bxg6 Qd8 42.Qxd8 Bxd8 43.Bc2 Bb6 44.Bd1 Kg6 45.Kf1 Kf5 46.f3 Ke5 47.g4 hxg4 48.fxg4 Bd8 49.g5 Kf5 50.Ke2 Bxg5 51.hxg5 Kxg5 52.Bb3 Kf6 53.Bd1 e5 54.Bb3 e4 55.Bd1 Kg5 56.Bb3
0.00/38 37...Re8 38.Rd1 Re7 39.Qd3 Qc4 40.Bxg6 Qxd3 41.Bxd3 b4 42.Bc4 Kf7 43.Rd6 Rc7 44.Bxe6+ Ke7 45.Rb6 Rc1+ 46.Kh2 Rc2 47.Bb3 Rxf2+ 48.Kg1 Rf3 49.Rxb4 Rxg3+ 50.Kf2 Rh3 51.Re4+ Kf8 52.Be6 Rxh4 53.Rxh4 Bxh4+ 54.Ke3 Bg5+ 55.Kd4 h4 56.Kc5 Ke7 57.Bg4
0.00/38 37...Rf8 38.Rd7+ Rf7 39.Rxf7+ Kxf7 40.Qd3 Bd4 41.Bxg6+ Kf6 42.Kf1 Qb2 43.Qc2 Qxc2 44.Bxc2 b4 45.Bd1 Kf5 46.f3 Bc5 47.Ke2 Bd6 48.Bc2+ Ke5 49.Kd3 b3 50.Bxb3 Kf5 51.f4 e5 52.fxe5 Bxe5 53.Bd1 Bxg3 54.Bxh5 Bxh4 55.Kc4 Be7 56.Bg6+ Kxg6
+0.02/38 37...Qe1+ 38.Kg2 Rd8 39.Rxd8 Bxd8 40.Bd3 Qe5 41.Qb7+ Kf6 42.Bxb5 Qd5+ 43.Qxd5 exd5 44.Bd3 Bb6 45.f3 Bd4 46.f4 Bc5 47.Bc2 Bd4 48.Kf3 Bc5 49.Bd3 Bb6 50.Ke2 Bc5 51.Bc2
+0.02/38 37...Rd8 38.Rxd8 Bxd8 39.Bd3 Qe1+ 40.Kg2 Qe5 41.Qb7+ Kf6 42.Bxb5 Qd5+ 43.Qxd5 exd5 44.Bd3 Bb6 45.f3 Bd4 46.f4 Bc5 47.Bc2 Bd4 48.Kf3 Bc5 49.Bd3 Bb6 50.Ke2 Bc5 51.Bc2 Bb6
+0.16/38 37...Qc5 38.Rd7+ Be7 39.Bd3 Rf8 40.Qe2 Rf7 41.Bxb5 Bd6 42.Rxf7+ Kxf7 43.Bc4 Qe5 44.Qf3+ Qf5 45.Qe3 Qe5 46.Qd3 Bc5 47.Kg2 Qf5 48.Qe2 Qf6 49.Qc2 Kg7 50.Bb3 Bd4 51.Qe2 e5 52.Bd5 Qf5 53.Be4 Qf7 54.Qc2
+0.16/38 37...Be7 38.Rd7 Qc5 39.Bd3 Rf8 40.Qe2 Rf7 41.Bxb5 Bd6 42.Rxf7+ Kxf7 43.Bc4 Qe5 44.Qf3+ Qf5 45.Qe3 Qe5 46.Qd3 Bc5 47.Kg2 Qf5 48.Qe2 Qf6 49.Qc2 Kg7 50.Bb3 Bd4 51.Qe2 e5 52.Bd5 Qf5 53.Be4 Qf7 54.Qc2 Qe6 55.Qc7+ Qf7 56.Qxf7+ Kxf7 57.f3
+2.96/38 37...Qf8 38.Rd7+ Be7 39.Qc3+ Kf7 40.Qc2 Rd8 41.Bxg6+ Kg8 42.Rc7 Qf6 43.Bxh5 b4 44.Rb7 Kh8 45.Be2 Rg8 46.Bd3 Rg7 47.Qe2 Bd6 48.Qh5+ Kg8 49.Qe8+ Bf8 50.Rxb4 Qe7 51.Qxe7 Rxe7 52.Re4 e5 53.Kg2 Kf7 54.Re3 Bh6 55.Re2 Rd7 56.Bb5 Re7 57.Ra2 Bf8 58.Kf3
+3.75/38 37...Rg8 38.Rd7+ Be7 39.Qe3 Rd8 40.Rb7 Re8 41.Bd3 Qc3 42.Bxb5 Qxe3 43.fxe3 Kf7 44.Bxe8+ Kxe8 45.e4 Bf6 46.Kg2 Bc3 47.Kf3 Be5 48.Rb5 Bc3 49.e5 Kf7 50.Rc5 Bd2 51.Rc7+ Kf8 52.Rd7 Bh6 53.Ke4 Ke8 54.Rh7 Kf8 55.Rc7 Bd2 56.Kf3 Bh6 57.Ke4
37. ..., Bd4.
Shimon had a point,well at least sort of.....

Note that I didn't check the position with a top chess engine nor did I check it on a real chess board....

I was a quick glance upon which I made my fast assessment of the position and as Stockfish evaluation shows,it's not that easy for black to grab the whole point....
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by JuLieN » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:00 pm

Yep : 8 acceptable moves, and only one that didn't draw directly. Very difficult to see.
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:07 pm

JuLieN wrote:Yep : 8 acceptable moves, and only one that didn't draw directly. Very difficult to see.
I saw it almost at once :wink:

I have a big experience playing the chess engines and it looks like it pays off....
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by kgburcham » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:28 am

No, he DIDN'T push very hard.
37....Rd8? throws away pushing for a win.
After exchanges resulting from that, the opposite bishops make any win impossible.
I ask, WHY ON EARTH did he do that?
because the 2800 GM could not see it.
did you check all of the other positions both GM could not see? there are many, always is. The killers are when these two guys play a huge blunder, have you looked at the blunders these two guys have played in their last 20 games? I have. These guys struggle to not make blunders. what is funny is when a 2800 GM blunders then the 2800 opponent blunders, I just played through one of those games, funny. If you ever wonder what it really means to be 2800, pick one of the 2800 GM and check his last 20 games, I already have several of them. They are scared to death about making bad moves in front of everyone.
If you could see them running their games and positions through the programs after the game, you would hear a lot of these, "Oh yea now I see it", or "damn I missed that", or "play that through again I still don't get it".
the last one is the funny one.

blunders, missed chances, and throwing away I/2 point moves are common in 2800 play. Now if they play against a 2000 they look like gods, if they play blindfolded against 20 low level players, they look like gods. but when they play against another player with their rating they look bad a lot of times. so many misunderstood positions in 2800 level play.
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by S.Taylor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:17 am

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Yep : 8 acceptable moves, and only one that didn't draw directly. Very difficult to see.
I saw it almost at once :wink:

I have a big experience playing the chess engines and it looks like it pays off....
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by S.Taylor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:24 am

Tense momment now!

Anyone tuned in? See game now! what if Bxrp?

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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by S.Taylor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:29 am

Very funny and intriguing now. He took the pawn and now we will see what vishy (presumably) had in mind!

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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by bretti » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:12 pm

Yes, nice game but - indeed with some engines - I see another draw now:
30.-a6 31. Rdc1 Bd7 32. e6 fxe6 33. fxe6 axb5 34. exd7 Rh6 35. Nd3 Rah8 36. Rxc6 Rxc6 37. Rxc6 Kxc6 38. Ne5+ and now 38.-Kc5 or 38.-Kd6 end in a draw. Here Carlsen was somewhat better.

Ah, I see he played 30.-a5 Impressive game!

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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by JuLieN » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:36 pm

Epic games! :) The match really started this time !

[pgn][Event "FWCM 2013"]
[Site "Chennai"]
[Date "2013.11.13"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C67"]
[WhiteElo "2775"]
[BlackElo "2870"]
[PlyCount "127"]
[EventDate "2013.??.??"]
[EventCountry "IND"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. h3 Bd7 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Nc3 Kc8 12. Bg5 h6 13. Bxe7 Nxe7 14. Rd2 c5 15. Rad1 Be6 16. Ne1 Ng6 17. Nd3 b6 18. Ne2 Bxa2 19. b3 c4 20. Ndc1 cxb3 21. cxb3 Bb1 22. f4 Kb7 23. Nc3 Bf5 24. g4 Bc8 25. Nd3 h5 26. f5 Ne7 27. Nb5 hxg4 28. hxg4 Rh4 29. Nf2 Nc6 30. Rc2 a5 31. Rc4 g6 32. Rdc1 Bd7 33. e6 fxe6 34. fxe6 Be8 35. Ne4 Rxg4+ 36. Kf2 Rf4+ 37. Ke3 Rf8 38. Nd4 Nxd4 39. Rxc7+ Ka6 40. Kxd4 Rd8+ 41. Kc3 Rf3+ 42. Kb2 Re3 43. Rc8 Rdd3 44. Ra8+ Kb7 45. Rxe8 Rxe4 46. e7 Rg3 47. Rc3 Re2+ 48. Rc2 Ree3 49. Ka2 g5 50. Rd2 Re5 51. Rd7+ Kc6 52. Red8 Rge3 53. Rd6+ Kb7 54. R8d7+ Ka6 55. Rd5 Re2+ 56. Ka3 Re6 57. Rd8 g4 58. Rg5 Rxe7 59. Ra8+ Kb7 60. Rag8 a4 61. Rxg4 axb3 62. R8g7 Ka6 63. Rxe7 Rxe7 64. Kxb3 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: FIDE World Chess Championship thread.

Post by Steve Maughan » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:08 pm

Hi Julien,

Yes it was great to game - very exciting!

The things which really struck me as I analyzed the games using Houdini and Stockfish, is the superiority of the computers. Carlsen missed quite a few clear chances to win according to the engines (e.g. 35... Rd8!). Of course the complexity of this game is the sweat-spot for computers.

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