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Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:55 am
by Vinvin
Norbert Raimund Leisner wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:19 pm
unfortunately Bruce Moreland cannot be contacted under his former email-address.
This engine from the year 1995 had its own GUI and was made for e.g. win32, but one thing seems to be a mystery:
Is it compatible to WinBoard (CECP)-protocol and -if yes- which command line parameters are required to run under Arena-GUI?
...
Norbert
Sometimes I dream we would get a modern compile and UCI interface for all this famous oldies : Ferret, Chess Genius 3, Chess System Tal, Fritz 3, MChess Pro 3.12, Chessmaster 2100, Gambit Tiger 2, Shredder 5.32, ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
And on the other way, I'd like to see Stockfish 10 tested on a Pentium 200 MMX 8-)

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:58 pm
by Vinvin
Vinvin wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:55 am
Norbert Raimund Leisner wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:19 pm
unfortunately Bruce Moreland cannot be contacted under his former email-address.
This engine from the year 1995 had its own GUI and was made for e.g. win32, but one thing seems to be a mystery:
Is it compatible to WinBoard (CECP)-protocol and -if yes- which command line parameters are required to run under Arena-GUI?
...
Norbert
Sometimes I dream we would get a modern compile and UCI interface for all this famous oldies : Ferret, Chess Genius 3, Chess System Tal, Fritz 3, MChess Pro 3.12, Chessmaster 2100, Gambit Tiger 2, Shredder 5.32, ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
And on the other way, I'd like to see Stockfish 10 tested on a Pentium 200 MMX 8-)
Even Ruffian 1.x and Junior 7 deserve their recompile.

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:28 pm
by Rebel
carldaman wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:43 pm
Steve Maughan wrote:I'm not aware of any version of Ferret ever being released, commercially or otherwise.

As far as I can remember Bruce kept Ferret private.

Steve
Bruce Moreland also wrote a WB-compatible engine, Gerbil :

http://rwbc-chess.de/download.htm

Has anyone tried it?

CL
Looks like a book download only.

I noticed I have the source code of a Gerbil version on my HD, not sure how it landed there.

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:43 pm
by mclane
Gerbil by Bruce Moreland and Tom Kerrigan chess program were easy chess engines made for programming beginners.

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:08 pm
by Vinvin
mclane wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:43 pm
Gerbil by Bruce Moreland and Tom Kerrigan chess program were easy chess engines made for programming beginners.
Yes, Gerbil was open source but was way weaker than Ferret !

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:00 pm
by supersharp77
Vinvin wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:55 am
Norbert Raimund Leisner wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:19 pm
unfortunately Bruce Moreland cannot be contacted under his former email-address.
This engine from the year 1995 had its own GUI and was made for e.g. win32, but one thing seems to be a mystery:
Is it compatible to WinBoard (CECP)-protocol and -if yes- which command line parameters are required to run under Arena-GUI?
...
Norbert
Sometimes I dream we would get a modern compile and UCI interface for all this famous oldies : Ferret, Chess Genius 3, Chess System Tal, Fritz 3, MChess Pro 3.12, Chessmaster 2100, Gambit Tiger 2, Shredder 5.32, ... :evil: :evil: :evil:
And on the other way, I'd like to see Stockfish 10 tested on a Pentium 200 MMX 8-)
Agreed....Chessmaster 2100 is possible.....(win 16) Chess Genius is w16 (g7 Does not work in my windows 64 system although the Gui works for other engines) Junior 7 is pretty close to Junior 2010 UCI and Deep Junior 12 or 12.5
Gambit Tiger works in Fritz 11 GUI still...along with Fritz 5.32 and Fritz 6... Mchess Pro...never got it to work in w32 sytem at all. Chess System Tal..(not impossible) wish that one was UCI or wb compatible...would be something special! :) :wink

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:17 am
by mclane
Vinvin wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:08 pm
mclane wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:43 pm
Gerbil by Bruce Moreland and Tom Kerrigan chess program were easy chess engines made for programming beginners.
Yes, Gerbil was open source but was way weaker than Ferret !
Of course. Those engines were didactical and made for beginning chess programmers

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:58 am
by MikeGL
jdart wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:33 pm
Ferret competed in quite a few tournaments from 1995-early 2000s, and it was active on chessclub.com. Some games are available here:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=30003

Thanks for the link.
Fun to see some strong games of Ferret engine there.
I noticed its wonderful games against the very strong GM Gulko, who once claimed in NewInChess mag that he was the only GM on the planet with a plus score against Gari Kasparov. But on below games, GM Gulko can't seem to out-calculate Ferret.




Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:01 am
by Guenther
Rebel wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:28 pm
carldaman wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:43 pm
Steve Maughan wrote:I'm not aware of any version of Ferret ever being released, commercially or otherwise.

As far as I can remember Bruce kept Ferret private.

Steve
Bruce Moreland also wrote a WB-compatible engine, Gerbil :

http://rwbc-chess.de/download.htm

Has anyone tried it?

CL
Looks like a book download only.

I noticed I have the source code of a Gerbil version on my HD, not sure how it landed there.
The post you answered was already six years old and it was already hilarious in 2013,
because Gerbil of course was tested in 10.000s of games on rating lists and tournament sites.
(But, yes there is still a Gerbil book download on my site)

Links to download Gerbil and all other chess programs are given at the usual places:

http://www.computer-chess.org/doku.php? ... ngine_list
http://rwbc-chess.de/chronology.htm

Re: Ferret 1.00 v258 - program from 1995

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:34 pm
by silentshark
Well, I thought I'd just throw this in, given the Bruce/Ferret thread.

I first met Bruce at WMCCC, 1995, Paderborn. It was a great event, where a lot of us amateurs met for the first time. Bruce was/is a real gent, and one of those people who you think 'wow, he's figured everything out 100x better than me'. We had a lot of fun, with computer chess, drinking beer etc.

There was a Ferret vs Francesca game at the event - this was Francesca's first 'public' outing, and we had a lot of fun, with Bruce helpfully commenting on what he thought was happening in the game. Ferret won comfortably, and I think we had some TV cameras covering the 'UK vs USA' footage, though I've never seen that.

Others have said it, but Bruce's computer chess pages were great. Clear. Easy to understand. Informative.

I think it's a pity that Ferret petered out. Imagine Ferret with LMR, LMP and all the other modern techniques. I'm sure it would be near the top, if Bruce had continue to work on it. But of course, like for most of us, life makes other demands.

I will dig out the 1995 game if I can. It was only going to go one way, but it was a lot of fun seeing my engine have a go, in its infancy vs what was one of the top engines in the world back then.

Just my 2p worth :-)