avoid knight journey

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QED
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avoid knight journey

Post by QED »

[d]8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPr1/1pP1B1P1/1P5N/4P1P1/k1K5 w - - 0 1

My composition, white to play and draw.

I was tempted to add 'testposition' to the subject, but the position is more useful to make fun of engines than to test them. :wink:
The point is that after 1.Nxg5 hxg5 white is lost, because the black knight is only 13 steps away from b3 (good luck for your favourite engine to see it). But 1.Bf3 with the idea Nf2-e4-d2 (and if black gets too creative, timely Ne4 and g5, Bh5, counterattacking d6 and f6) holds the fort.

Of course, engines misevaluate resulting positions (thinking black should be content with draw after 1.Nxg5), but I find it striking that for humans it is easy to see the knight journey. I think that is because humans distinguish dynamical position (which attack is quicker) from statical (fortress-like) ones. Engines are good at dynamical ones, but in statical positions they are not so good. In my opinion it is about move ordering and reductions. In dynamic positions it is good to look at moves with good history first, but in statical position it is better to first try moves without history (to avoid getting stuck in local optima). Maybe it is not feasible to teach engines this distinction, maybe new-moves-first would hurt the search too much, and it would be better simply to improve static evaluation in closed positions.

Anyway, the position is not very natural, so no big deal.
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Re: avoid knight journey

Post by Karlo Bala »

QED wrote:[d]8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPr1/1pP1B1P1/1P5N/4P1P1/k1K5 w - - 0 1

My composition, white to play and draw.

I was tempted to add 'testposition' to the subject, but the position is more useful to make fun of engines than to test them. :wink:
The point is that after 1.Nxg5 hxg5 white is lost, because the black knight is only 13 steps away from b3 (good luck for your favourite engine to see it). But 1.Bf3 with the idea Nf2-e4-d2 (and if black gets too creative, timely Ne4 and g5, Bh5, counterattacking d6 and f6) holds the fort.

Of course, engines misevaluate resulting positions (thinking black should be content with draw after 1.Nxg5), but I find it striking that for humans it is easy to see the knight journey. I think that is because humans distinguish dynamical position (which attack is quicker) from statical (fortress-like) ones. Engines are good at dynamical ones, but in statical positions they are not so good. In my opinion it is about move ordering and reductions. In dynamic positions it is good to look at moves with good history first, but in statical position it is better to first try moves without history (to avoid getting stuck in local optima). Maybe it is not feasible to teach engines this distinction, maybe new-moves-first would hurt the search too much, and it would be better simply to improve static evaluation in closed positions.

Anyway, the position is not very natural, so no big deal.
Can you please show us the path for a black knight after 1.Nxg5 hxg5

Edit: I see it know, very clever indeed! You are right, engine is not much useful here.
Best Regards,
Karlo Balla Jr.
Uri Blass
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Re: avoid knight journey

Post by Uri Blass »

I wonder if a simple rule not to allow LMR or null move if the last 3 moves are of the same piece and to different square(and with no captures) can help here.

I also think that the position is clearly useful to test chess engines because I do not believe that no engine can find it.

Houdini3 (3 cpu) already showed a fail low again and again after some minutes and the score for Nxg5 is below draw score.

[D]8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPr1/1pP1B1P1/1P5N/4P1P1/k1K5 w - - 0 1

Houdini_3_x64:
36/59 01:53 435,840,250 3,850,000 0.00 Nh3xg5 h6xg5 g2-g3 Ka1-a2 Be4-c2 Ng7-e8 e2-e4 Ka2-a3 Bc2-d1 Ka3-a2 Kc1-c2 Ne8-c7 Kc2-c1 Nc7-e8 Kc1-c2
37/64- 03:24 800,278,890 3,910,000 -0.05 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
37/64- 06:05 1,422,680,365 3,894,000 -0.16 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
37/64- 09:07 2,126,879,922 3,884,000 -0.42 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
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Re: Avoid knight journey.

Post by Ajedrecista »

Hello Vratko:
QED wrote:[d]8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPr1/1pP1B1P1/1P5N/4P1P1/k1K5 w - - 0 1

My composition, white to play and draw.

I was tempted to add 'testposition' to the subject, but the position is more useful to make fun of engines than to test them. :wink:
The point is that after 1.Nxg5 hxg5 white is lost, because the black knight is only 13 steps away from b3 (good luck for your favourite engine to see it). But 1.Bf3 with the idea Nf2-e4-d2 (and if black gets too creative, timely Ne4 and g5, Bh5, counterattacking d6 and f6) holds the fort.

Of course, engines misevaluate resulting positions (thinking black should be content with draw after 1.Nxg5), but I find it striking that for humans it is easy to see the knight journey. I think that is because humans distinguish dynamical position (which attack is quicker) from statical (fortress-like) ones. Engines are good at dynamical ones, but in statical positions they are not so good. In my opinion it is about move ordering and reductions. In dynamic positions it is good to look at moves with good history first, but in statical position it is better to first try moves without history (to avoid getting stuck in local optima). Maybe it is not feasible to teach engines this distinction, maybe new-moves-first would hurt the search too much, and it would be better simply to improve static evaluation in closed positions.

Anyway, the position is not very natural, so no big deal.
Congratulations for this composition! Houdini agrees that Nxg5??, hxg5 is losing for white:

[d]8/6n1/3p1p2/2pPpPp1/1pP1B1P1/1P6/4P1P1/k1K5 w - -

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 23/29	00:01	     592.850	1.120.000	+0,55	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Ka2a3 Be4f3 Nc7a8 e3e4 Na8b6 Bf3e2 Nb6c8 Be2d1 Nc8b6 Bd1f3 Nb6a8 Bf3e2 Na8c7 Be2f3 Nc7e8 Bf3d1 Ka3a2 Bd1e2 Ka2a3 Be2f3 Ne8c7 Bf3d1 Ka3a2 g2g3 Ka2a3 Kc2d3 Ka3b2
 24/35	00:01	     794.290	1.181.000	+0,50	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Ka2a3 Be4f3 Nc7a8 e3e4 Na8b6 Bf3e2 Nb6c8 Be2d1 Nc8b6 Bd1f3 Nb6c8 Bf3e2 Ka3a2 Be2d3 Ka2a3 Bd3f1 Nc8e7 g2g3 Ne7c8 Bf1g2 Nc8e7 Bg2h1 Ne7g8 Bh1f3 Ng8h6 Bf3d1
 25/35	00:02	   1.182.744	1.228.000	+0,50	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8g7 e3e4 Ng7e8 Bb1c2 Ka1a2 Bc2d1 Ne8c7 Kc1c2 Nc7e8 Bd1f3 Ka2a3 Bf3e2 Ne8c7 Be2d1 Nc7e8 Bd1f3 Ne8c7 Bf3e2 Nc7e8 Be2f1 Ne8c7 Bf1d3 Nc7a8 Bd3e2 Na8c7 Be2d1
 26/35	00:02	   1.544.418	1.255.000	+0,51	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8g7 e3e4 Ng7e8 Bb1c2 Ka1a2 Bc2d1 Ne8c7 Kc1c2 Nc7e8 Bd1f3 Ka2a3 Bf3e2 Ne8c7 Be2d1 Nc7a8 Bd1f3 Na8c7 Bf3e2 Nc7e8 Be2d1 Ka3a2 Bd1f3

[...]

 27/39	00:08	   9.333.997	1.347.000	 0,00	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Nc7a8 Be4d3 Na8b6 e3e4 Nb6c8 Bd3e2 Nc8e7 Be2d1 Ne7g8 Bd1f3 Ng8h6 Bf3e2 Nh6f7 Be2d1 Nf7d8 Bd1e2 Nd8f7 Be2d1
 28/41	00:09	  11.554.689	1.329.000	 0,00	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Nc7a8 Be4d3 Na8b6 e3e4 Nb6c8 Bd3e2 Nc8e7 Be2d1 Ne7g8 Kc2d2 Ka2b2 g2g3 Ng8h6 Kd2d3 Kb2c1 Bd1e2 Kc1b2 Be2d1 Kb2c1
 29/45	00:12	  14.231.622	1.309.000	 0,00	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Nc7a8 Be4d3 Na8b6 e3e4 Nb6c8 Bd3e2 Nc8e7 Be2d1 Ne7g8 Kc2d2 Ka2b2 g2g3 Ng8h6 Kd2d3 Kb2c1 Bd1e2 Kc1b2 Be2d1 Kb2c1
 30/45	00:16	  19.899.813	1.275.000	 0,00	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Nc7a8 Be4d3 Na8b6 e3e4 Nb6c8 Bd3e2 Nc8e7 Be2d1 Ne7g8 Kc2d2 Ka2b2 g2g3 Ng8h6 Kd2d3 Kb2c1 Bd1e2 Kc1b2 Be2d1 Kb2c1
 31/45	00:23	  27.885.308	1.266.000	 0,00	Be4b1 Ng7e8 e2e3 Ne8c7 Bb1e4 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Nc7a8 Be4d3 Na8b6 e3e4 Nb6c8 Bd3e2 Nc8e7 Be2d1 Ne7g8 Kc2d2 Ka2b2 g2g3 Ng8h6 Kd2d3 Kb2c1 Bd1e2 Kc1b2 Be2d1 Kb2c1

[...]

 32/74	14:25	1.098.033.032	1.271.000	-3,26	Be4b1 Ng7e8 Kc1c2 Ne8c7 Kc2c1 Nc7a8 Bb1d3 Ka1a2 Bd3c2 Na8b6 g2g3 Nb6d7 Kc1d2 Ka2b2 e2e4 Nd7b6 Bc2d1 Nb6c8 Bd1c2 Nc8e7 Kd2d1 Ne7g8 Kd1d2 Ng8h6 Bc2d1 Nh6f7 Bd1f3 Kb2xb3 Bf3d1+ Kb3xc4 Kd2c2 Kc4d4 Bd1f3 c5c4 Bf3e2 b4b3+ Kc2b2
 33/74	20:32	1.546.991.698	1.257.000	-3,26	Be4b1 Ng7e8 Kc1c2 Ne8c7 Kc2c1 Nc7a8 Bb1d3 Ka1a2 Bd3c2 Na8b6 g2g3 Nb6d7 Kc1d2 Ka2b2 e2e4 Nd7b6 Bc2d1 Nb6c8 Bd1c2 Nc8e7 Kd2d1 Ne7g8 Kd1d2 Ng8h6 Bc2d1 Nh6f7 Bd1f3 Kb2xb3 Bf3d1+ Kb3xc4 Kd2c2 Kc4d4 Bd1f3 c5c4 Bf3e2 b4b3+ Kc2b2
 34/74	24:09	1.815.259.190	1.254.000	-3,26	Be4b1 Ng7e8 Kc1c2 Ne8c7 Kc2c1 Nc7a8 Bb1d3 Ka1a2 Bd3c2 Na8b6 Kc1d2 Nb6d7 Kd2d1 Ka2b2 e2e4 Nd7b6 Kd1d2 Nb6c8 Bc2d1 Nc8e7 g2g3 Ne7g8 Bd1c2 Ng8h6 Bc2d1 Nh6f7 Kd2d3 Nf7d8 Bd1f3 Kb2a2 Bf3g2 Nd8f7 Kd3e3 Ka2xb3 Ke3d3 Kb3a2 Bg2f3 b4b3 Bf3d1 Nf7h6 Kd3e2 Ka2a3 Ke2e3 b3b2 Bd1c2 Nh6xg4+ Ke3d2 Ka3a2 Kd2d3 Ng4f2+ Kd3d2 Nf2h1 g3g4 Nh1g3 Kd2d3 Ng3f1 Kd3c3 Nf1e3 Bc2b3+ Ka2b1
 35/74	27:39	2.071.966.399	1.250.000	-3,26	Be4b1 Ng7e8 Kc1c2 Ne8c7 Kc2c1 Nc7a8 Bb1d3 Ka1a2 Bd3c2 Na8b6 Kc1d2 Nb6d7 Kd2d1 Ka2b2 e2e4 Nd7b6 Kd1d2 Nb6c8 Bc2d1 Nc8e7 g2g3 Ne7g8 Bd1c2 Ng8h6 Bc2d1 Nh6f7 Kd2d3 Nf7d8 Bd1f3 Kb2a2 Bf3g2 Nd8f7 Kd3e3 Ka2xb3 Ke3d3 Kb3a2 Bg2f3 b4b3 Bf3d1 Nf7h6 Kd3e2 Ka2a3 Ke2e3 b3b2 Bd1c2 Nh6xg4+ Ke3d2 Ka3a2 Kd2d3 Ng4f2+ Kd3d2 Nf2h1 g3g4 Nh1g3 Kd2d3 Ng3f1 Kd3c3 Nf1e3 Bc2b3+ Ka2b1

[...]

 36/97	1:18:26	5.835.672.232	1.241.000	-3,40	Be4b1 Ng7e8 Kc1c2 Ne8c7 Kc2c1 Nc7a8 Bb1d3 Ka1a2 Kc1c2 Na8b6 Bd3e4 Nb6c8 Be4d3 Nc8e7 e2e3 Ne7g8 Bd3e4 Ng8h6 Be4f3 e5e4 Bf3e2 Nh6f7 Be2d1 Nf7e5 Kc2d2 Ne5d3 Bd1c2 Nd3f2 Kd2e2 Nf2xg4 Ke2d2 Ka2a3 g2g3 Ka3b2 Bc2xe4 Kb2xb3 Be4g2 Kb3xc4 Bg2h3 Ng4e5 Bh3g2 Ne5g4 Bg2h3
I stopped the analysis after 1:18:26; there were 12 TB hits to the full set of Gaviota EGTB. I would like to see an analysis of this position with Houdini 3 in fast hardware.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.
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Re: avoid knight journey

Post by Uri Blass »

Uri Blass wrote:I wonder if a simple rule not to allow LMR or null move if the last 3 moves are of the same piece and to different square(and with no captures) can help here.

I also think that the position is clearly useful to test chess engines because I do not believe that no engine can find it.

Houdini3 (3 cpu) already showed a fail low again and again after some minutes and the score for Nxg5 is below draw score.

[D]8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPr1/1pP1B1P1/1P5N/4P1P1/k1K5 w - - 0 1

Houdini_3_x64:
36/59 01:53 435,840,250 3,850,000 0.00 Nh3xg5 h6xg5 g2-g3 Ka1-a2 Be4-c2 Ng7-e8 e2-e4 Ka2-a3 Bc2-d1 Ka3-a2 Kc1-c2 Ne8-c7 Kc2-c1 Nc7-e8 Kc1-c2
37/64- 03:24 800,278,890 3,910,000 -0.05 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
37/64- 06:05 1,422,680,365 3,894,000 -0.16 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
37/64- 09:07 2,126,879,922 3,884,000 -0.42 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
Houdini3 find it as I could expect in less than an hour

37/80- 39:34 9,057,170,541 3,814,000 -1.35 Nh3xg5 h6xg5
37/86 58:09 13,173,662,220 3,775,000 -0.62 Be4-f3 Ka1-a2 Kc1-c2 Ng7-e8 Nh3-f2 Rg5-g7 e2-e3 Ka2-a1 Kc2-c1 Rg7-a7 Nf2-e4 Ra7-a3 Ne4-d2 Ne8-g7 Kc1-c2 Ra3-a2+ Kc2-c1 Ra2-a8 Kc1-c2 Ng7-e8 Bf3-d1 Ra8-a6 Kc2-c1 Ka1-a2 Kc1-c2 Ra6-a8 Nd2-e4 Ra8-a7 Ne4-d2 Ra7-g7 Nd2-e4 Ka2-a3 Bd1-e2 Rg7-g8 g4-g5 h6xg5 Be2-h5 Ne8-g7 Bh5-g6 Rg8-d8
38/86 1:07:19 15,279,658,651 3,783,000 -0.62 Be4-f3 Ka1-a2 Kc1-c2 Ng7-e8 Nh3-f2 Rg5-g7 e2-e3 Rg7-a7 Nf2-e4 Ra7-a3 Ne4-d2 Ka2-a1 Bf3-d1 Ra3-a2+ Kc2-c1 Ra2-a7 Kc1-c2 Ka1-a2 Nd2-e4 Ra7-a3 Ne4-d2 Ra3-a5 Nd2-e4 Ra5-a3 Ne4-d2
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Re: avoid knight journey

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[D] 8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPr1/1pP1B1P1/1P5N/4P1P1/k1K5 w - -

Engine: Houdini 3 Pro x64 (4096 MB)
by Robert Houdart
29/43 0:00 +0.50 1.Nxg5 hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.e3 Nc7 4.Bd3 Ka2 5.Kc2 Ka3 6.e4 Na8 7.Be2 Nb6 8.Bf1 Ka2 (10.838.127) 17537
30/47 0:01 +0.43-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (25.200.605) 20355
30/47 0:01 +0.32-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (39.495.175) 21337
30/49 0:02 +0.07-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (60.847.300) 22022
30/49 0:03 0.00 1.Nxg5 hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.e3 Nc7 4.Bd3 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.g3 Nb6 7.e4 Nc8 8.Be2 Ka3 9.Bf3 Ne7 (72.971.417) 21893
31/51 0:04 0.00 1.Nxg5 hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Be4 Ng7 4.Bb1 (105.943.639) 21647
32/53 0:06 -0.05-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (146.337.558) 22038
32/54 0:08 -0.16-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (190.231.324) 22388
32/54 0:10 -0.42-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (246.828.224) 22659
32/74 0:21 -1.35-- 1.Nxg5 hxg5 (499.088.869) 23255
32/88 1:02 -0.82 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg8 4.Ne4 Rh8 5.e3 Rh7 6.Be2 Ka1 7.Bd1 Ra7 8.Kc1 Ka2 (1.578.475.698) 25242
33/88 1:03 -0.90-- 1.Bf3 Ne8 (1.607.327.781) 25205
33/88 1:10 -0.93 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg8 4.Ne4 Rh8 5.e3 Rh7 6.Be2 Ra7 7.Nd2 Ra3 8.Bd3 Nc7 (1.764.350.551) 24992
34/88 1:19 -0.85++ 1.Bf3 (1.981.273.389) 24906
34/88 1:29 -0.82 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ka1 6.Kc1 Ra7 7.Bd1 Ka2 8.Nd2 Rd7 (2.240.310.434) 24955
35/88 1:38 -0.82 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ka1 6.Kc1 Ra7 7.Bd1 Ka2 8.Nd2 Rd7 9.Ne4 Rh7 (2.459.387.254) 24911
36/88 1:53 -0.82 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ka1 6.Kc1 Ra7 7.Bd1 Ka2 8.Nd2 Rd7 9.Ne4 Rh7 (2.829.341.162) 24919
37/88 2:25 -0.75++ 1.Bf3 (3.715.389.551) 25470
37/88 2:38 -0.85 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ka1 6.Kc1 Ra7 7.Bd1 Ka2 8.Nd2 Rd7 9.Ne4 Rh7 (4.013.159.543) 25281
38/88 4:12 -0.78++ 1.Bf3 (6.648.370.832) 26364
38/88 5:16 -0.71 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ka1 6.Kc1 Ra7 7.Bd1 Ka2 8.Nd2 Rd7 9.Ne4 Rh7 (8.555.614.079) 27071
39/88 6:11 -0.78-- 1.Bf3 Ne8 (10.000.806.123) 26919
39/88 7:51 -0.93-- 1.Bf3 Ne8 (12.669.157.483) 26863
39/88 11:43 -0.89 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ra7 6.Be2 Ra3 7.Nd2 Ra5 8.Bd1 Ra7 9.Be2 Ra3 (18.908.599.842) 26881
40/88 13:48 -0.81++ 1.Bf3 (22.760.097.316) 27464
40/88 16:48 -0.66++ 1.Bf3 (28.381.978.850) 28143
40/88 17:37 -0.70 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ra7 6.Be2 Ra3 7.Nd2 Ra5 8.Bd1 Ra7 9.Be2 Ra3 (29.794.178.271) 28165
40/88 23:11 -0.70 1.Bf3 Ne8 2.Nf2 Ka2 3.Kc2 Rg7 4.Ne4 Rh7 5.e3 Ra7 6.Be2 Ra3 7.Nd2 Ra5 8.Bd1 Ra7 9.Ne4 Ra3 (39.754.893.776) 28574

Reboot, then Nxg5
[D] 8/6n1/3p1p1p/2pPpPN1/1pP1B1P1/1P6/4P1P1/k1K5 b - -

Engine: Houdini 3 Pro x64 (4096 MB)
by Robert Houdart
30/48 0:00 +0.34++ 1...hxg5 (14.513.562) 19046
30/48 0:01 +0.23++ 1...hxg5 (19.877.394) 19798
30/48 0:01 +0.14 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Kc2 Na8 5.e3 Nb6 6.e4 Ka2 7.Be2 Ka3 8.g3 Nc8 9.Bf1 Nb6 (27.038.324) 20437
31/48 0:01 +0.08++ 1...hxg5 (41.305.722) 20746
31/49 0:02 0.00 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Kc2 Na8 5.e3 Nb6 6.e4 Ka2 7.Be2 Nc8 8.Bf1 Ne7 9.Bd3 Ng8 (56.303.572) 21024
32/51 0:03 0.00 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Kc2 Na8 5.e3 Nb6 6.e4 Ka2 7.Be2 Na8 8.Bd1 Nc7 9.Kd3 Kb2 (66.457.913) 20600
33/60 0:04 0.00 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Kc2 Na8 5.e3 Nb6 6.e4 Ka2 7.Be2 Na8 8.Bd1 Nc7 9.Kd3 Kb2 10.g3 Kc1 (85.326.220) 20650
34/60 0:05 0.00 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Kc2 Na8 5.e3 Nb6 6.e4 Ka2 7.Be2 Na8 8.Bd1 Nc7 9.Kd3 Kb2 10.g3 Kc1 (109.160.886) 20495
35/60 0:07 0.00 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Kc2 Na8 5.e3 Nb6 6.e4 Ka2 7.Be2 Na8 8.Bd1 Nc7 9.Kd3 Kb2 10.g3 Kc1 (145.786.099) 20573
36/60 0:13 -0.05++ 1...hxg5 (313.267.691) 22512
36/60 0:21 -0.16++ 1...hxg5 (484.665.081) 22478
36/60 0:29 -0.40++ 1...hxg5 (683.841.475) 22848
36/74 0:51 -1.29++ 1...hxg5 (1.217.190.942) 23670
36/89 5:38 -3.77 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Be4 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.Bf3 Nb6 7.Be4 Ka3 8.Bd3 Nc8 (7.514.832.782) 22209
37/89 6:11 -3.77 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Be4 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.Bf3 Nb6 7.Be4 Ka3 8.Bd3 Nc8 (8.273.470.454) 22291
38/89 7:18 -3.77 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Be4 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.Bf3 Nb6 7.Be4 Ka3 8.Bd3 Nc8 (9.876.284.677) 22521
39/89 8:30 -3.77 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Be4 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.Bf3 Nb6 7.Be4 Ka3 8.Bd3 Nc8 (11.640.445.464) 22805
40/89 15:19 -3.86 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Be4 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.Bf3 Nb6 7.Be4 Ka3 8.Bd3 Nc8 (21.875.703.165) 23796
41/90 24:23 -4.02++ 1...hxg5 (35.599.765.136) 24329
41/90 37:30 -4.31 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Be4 Ka2 5.Kc2 Na8 6.Bf3 Nb6 7.Be4 Nc8 8.g3 Ne7 (55.314.835.132) 24576
42/90 38:58 -4.13-- 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 (57.220.577.645) 24472
42/90 43:35 -3.77-- 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 (63.161.087.758) 24147
42/90 43:37 -2.80-- 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 (63.213.213.172) 24145
42/93 82:42 -4.28 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Bc2 Ka2 5.Bd1 Na8 6.e4 Nb6 7.Kd2 Kb2 8.Kd3 Nc8 (116.832.724.735) 23543
43/97 102:42 -4.43 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Bb1 Na8 5.Kc2 Nb6 6.Kc1 Nc8 7.Be4 Ka2 8.Bc2 Nb6 (147.733.015.627) 23973
44/97 109:26 -4.43 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Bb1 Na8 5.Kc2 Nb6 6.Kc1 Nc8 7.Be4 Ka2 8.Bc2 Nb6 (158.737.386.642) 24174
45/98 143:19 -4.61++ 1...hxg5 (205.796.672.604) 23931
45/98 149:48 -4.61 1...hxg5 2.Bb1 Ne8 3.Bd3 Nc7 4.Bb1 Na8 5.Kc2 Nb6 6.Kc1 Nc8 7.Be4 Ka2 8.Bc2 Ne7 (215.161.792.778) 23936