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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by viriathus » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:50 pm

[Event "Trophy Karpov"]
[Site "Cap Agde FRA"]
[Date "2012.10.29"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Goryachkina, Aleksandra"]
[Black "Karpov, Anatoly"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Remark "Message"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bf4 O-O 6. e3 Nbd7 7. Be2 dxc4 8. Bxc4 c5 9. dxc5 Nxc5 10. O-O a6 11. Ne5 Qxd1 12. Rfxd1 Re8 13. Be2 b5 14. b4 Nce4 15. Nxe4 Nxe4 16. Bf3 Bb7 17. Rd4 f5 18. h3 Red8 19. Rad1 Rxd4 20. Rxd4 Bd5 21. a3 Rc8 22. Rd3 Bh4 23. g3 Bf6 24. h4 Rc1+ 25. Rd1 Rc3 26. Nd7 Rxa3 27. Bxe4 Bxe4 28. Nxf6+ gxf6 29. Bd6 Bf3 30. Rb1 e5 31. Bc7 Kf7 32. Rc1 Rd3 33. Kf1 Kg6 34. Bb6 Kh5 35. e4 fxe4 36. Be3 Kg4 37. Ke1 f5 38. Bd2 f4 39. Rc3 fxg3 40. fxg3 Kxg3 41. Rxd3 exd3 42. Bg5 Be2 43. Kd2 Kf3 44. Bd8 e4 45. Bb6 h5 46. Bc5 Bf1 47. Bb6 Bh3 48. Bc5 Be6 49. Bb6 Bc4 50. Bc5 Kg4 51. Be7 Kf4 52. Bd6+ Kf3 53. Bc5 a5 54. bxa5 b4 55. Bxb4 e3+ 0-1

[D] 8/8/p7/1pB4p/1P2p2P/3p1k2/3Kb3/8 b - - 1 46

46... Bf1!, 47... Bh3, 48... Be6, 49... Bc4 and later 53... a5!

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by viriathus » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:06 pm

Last Stockfish:

Before:

32 [-5.89] 46. ... a5 47. bxa5 b4 48. a6 b3 49. a7 b2 50. a8=Q b1=N+ 51. Kc1 d2+ 52. Kb2 d1=Q 53. Qf8+ Kg4 54. Qg8+ Kh3 55. Qe6+ Bg4 56. Qxe4 Qb3+ 57. Kxb3 Nd2+ 58. Kc2 Nxe4 59. Be7 Be2 60. Bd8 Kg3 61. Be7 Kg4 62. Bd8 Ng3 63. Kd2 Bf3 64. Ba5 Nf5 65. Bc7 Nxh4 66. Ke3 Nf5+ 67. Kf2 h4 68. Kg1 h3 69. Be5 Be4 70. Kf2 Bc6 71. Kg1 Nh4 72. Bd6 Nf3+ 73. Kh1 Bd5 74. Bc7 Be4 75. Bd6 Nd4+ 76. Kh2 Nf5 (85.21)

After 46... Bf1!:

30 [-89.04] 47. Be3 Bh3 48. Bc5 Be6 49. Kc3 Bc4 50. Kd2 a5 51. bxa5 b4 52. Bxb4 e3+ 53. Kc3 d2 54. Kxc4 d1=Q 55. Kc5 Qc2+ 56. Kb5 Qd3+ 57. Kb6 Qe4 58. Kb5 Qb7+ 59. Kc5 e2 60. Be1 Qe4 61. Bb4 Qe7+ 62. Kb5 Qxb4+ 63. Kxb4 e1=Q+ 64. Kb5 Qxh4 65. a6 Qg5+ 66. Kc4 Qd8 67. Kb5 Qd3+ 68. Kb6 Qxa6+ 69. Kxa6 (17.37)

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by JuLieN » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:25 pm

gleperlier wrote: Impressive :D
Maybe Kasparov got the highest rating ever, but Karpov holds the record of won tournaments. :)
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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by Uri Blass » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:09 am

unfortunately it seems that this event is only a rapid chess event.

I would like to know if karpov can get good results today also at long time control.

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/cap-d ... emi-finals

Note that karpov has better rating today at rapid time control relative to longer time control.

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4100026

Karpov already won another tournament at rapid chess convincingly

http://ratings.fide.com/individual_calc ... -11-01&t=1

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by gleperlier » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:47 pm

Uri Blass wrote:unfortunately it seems that this event is only a rapid chess event.

I would like to know if karpov can get good results today also at long time control.

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/cap-d ... emi-finals

Note that karpov has better rating today at rapid time control relative to longer time control.

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4100026

Karpov already won another tournament at rapid chess convincingly

http://ratings.fide.com/individual_calc ... -11-01&t=1
Yeah, he seams to be specialized in rapid chess now :wink:

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by Don » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:22 pm

gleperlier wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:unfortunately it seems that this event is only a rapid chess event.

I would like to know if karpov can get good results today also at long time control.

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/cap-d ... emi-finals

Note that karpov has better rating today at rapid time control relative to longer time control.

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4100026

Karpov already won another tournament at rapid chess convincingly

http://ratings.fide.com/individual_calc ... -11-01&t=1
Yeah, he seams to be specialized in rapid chess now :wink:
Older players do relatively better at rapid chess I have heard. I think this is due to the fatigue factor, long time controls games are physically demanding and exhausting.

It could be that their experience is more of a benefit at fast levels even though I would have thought it would be other way around. You would think that calculation ability would diminish with age and favor the younger player and maybe it does, but then again maybe those other factors (experience, knowledge, etc) are just more important. Maybe the difference is having to figure things out versus already knowing the answer.
Capital punishment would be more effective as a preventive measure if it were administered prior to the crime.

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by Uri Blass » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:56 pm

Don wrote:
gleperlier wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:unfortunately it seems that this event is only a rapid chess event.

I would like to know if karpov can get good results today also at long time control.

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/cap-d ... emi-finals

Note that karpov has better rating today at rapid time control relative to longer time control.

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4100026

Karpov already won another tournament at rapid chess convincingly

http://ratings.fide.com/individual_calc ... -11-01&t=1
Yeah, he seams to be specialized in rapid chess now :wink:
Older players do relatively better at rapid chess I have heard. I think this is due to the fatigue factor, long time controls games are physically demanding and exhausting.

It could be that their experience is more of a benefit at fast levels even though I would have thought it would be other way around. You would think that calculation ability would diminish with age and favor the younger player and maybe it does, but then again maybe those other factors (experience, knowledge, etc) are just more important. Maybe the difference is having to figure things out versus already knowing the answer.
or maybe karpov learned chess lately and he can also get good results at longer time control.
The only way to know is if he plays longer time control again.

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by Don » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:09 am

Uri Blass wrote:
Don wrote:
gleperlier wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:unfortunately it seems that this event is only a rapid chess event.

I would like to know if karpov can get good results today also at long time control.

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/cap-d ... emi-finals

Note that karpov has better rating today at rapid time control relative to longer time control.

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4100026

Karpov already won another tournament at rapid chess convincingly

http://ratings.fide.com/individual_calc ... -11-01&t=1
Yeah, he seams to be specialized in rapid chess now :wink:
Older players do relatively better at rapid chess I have heard. I think this is due to the fatigue factor, long time controls games are physically demanding and exhausting.

It could be that their experience is more of a benefit at fast levels even though I would have thought it would be other way around. You would think that calculation ability would diminish with age and favor the younger player and maybe it does, but then again maybe those other factors (experience, knowledge, etc) are just more important. Maybe the difference is having to figure things out versus already knowing the answer.
or maybe karpov learned chess lately and he can also get good results at longer time control.
The only way to know is if he plays longer time control again.
Are you saying that Karpov has suddenly learned to play chess?

I think it's unrealistic to believe Karpov is better than he was before, but in his prime he would be a top player today, perhaps even number 1.

On the other hand, some players don't decline that quickly and stay close to the best for many years. I've always wondered if part of that was just because they lose their "hunger" when they get older and wiser. No doubt age doesn't help but I don't know how much it hurts and I'm sure it depends on the person.

I personally believe he was better than Fischer comparing both to their prime. In fact had Fisher and Karpov played for the world championship as they should have, it could have gone either way in my opinion.
Capital punishment would be more effective as a preventive measure if it were administered prior to the crime.

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Re: Karpov is back and playing damn strong !

Post by Uri Blass » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:23 am

Don wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Don wrote:
gleperlier wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:unfortunately it seems that this event is only a rapid chess event.

I would like to know if karpov can get good results today also at long time control.

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/cap-d ... emi-finals

Note that karpov has better rating today at rapid time control relative to longer time control.

http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4100026

Karpov already won another tournament at rapid chess convincingly

http://ratings.fide.com/individual_calc ... -11-01&t=1
Yeah, he seams to be specialized in rapid chess now :wink:
Older players do relatively better at rapid chess I have heard. I think this is due to the fatigue factor, long time controls games are physically demanding and exhausting.

It could be that their experience is more of a benefit at fast levels even though I would have thought it would be other way around. You would think that calculation ability would diminish with age and favor the younger player and maybe it does, but then again maybe those other factors (experience, knowledge, etc) are just more important. Maybe the difference is having to figure things out versus already knowing the answer.
or maybe karpov learned chess lately and he can also get good results at longer time control.
The only way to know is if he plays longer time control again.
Are you saying that Karpov has suddenly learned to play chess?

I think it's unrealistic to believe Karpov is better than he was before, but in his prime he would be a top player today, perhaps even number 1.

On the other hand, some players don't decline that quickly and stay close to the best for many years. I've always wondered if part of that was just because they lose their "hunger" when they get older and wiser. No doubt age doesn't help but I don't know how much it hurts and I'm sure it depends on the person.

I personally believe he was better than Fischer comparing both to their prime. In fact had Fisher and Karpov played for the world championship as they should have, it could have gone either way in my opinion.
My point is that karpov can still learn new openings and train in chess in other ways and I thought that it is possible that karpov's rating got down simply because there was time when he did not train much and now he trains more.

I do not know if it is the case and only karpov knows.

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