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Thank you for not answering me...Houdini wrote:Dan, thank you.Dan Honeycutt wrote:That's too bad. You have a lot of fans who would like to see it play. You snub them because of your spat with Peter.
I'd still respect your wishes and so suggested to Peter in my post just prior to this one.
Best
Dan H.
All you do call him a cloner and such. What sort of answer would you expect?Peter Skinner wrote:Thank you for not answering me...
By not answering, you've said more than enough.
Peter
I think that this is sensible.Peter Skinner wrote:Last night I did some hard thinking about the state of Computer Chess and the direction if any, that I can help steer it towards.
Whether any of us like it, our sport has changed. With the release of the Ippolit code base, anyone can take bits or pieces and design a very strong chess program with a good deal of effort. I suppose it goes even further back than that with the release of the Fruit code. It was very clean and simple to read. People could take that code base and improve upon it, and create a very strong program as well, and we got to see just that.
I've never liked the thought of a life time ban from any sport, and I have said it many times that I believe Rybka 3+ to be Fruit free. Recently I have been catering to the few instead of the masses when trying to put together an event, and as a promoter/organizer, that is simply the wrong way to do things.
So I have made a decision for the upcoming IWCCC.
Rybka and Houdini will be allowed to participate if they choose to do so. This is a final decision that will also carry over to the CCT events. Being that I want to hold the strongest tournaments, with the highest amount of participants, this seems like the best decision I can make and draw a line in the sand.
There will be those that won't like it and will choose to boycott my events. Since I can't do anything to change their minds, I believe that 90% of this community would rather play than sit on the sidelines. If I'm wrong, then my tournaments will die, and I will go back to being a spectator of other events like today's ACCA (I'm operating Crafty for the ACCA this year).
This is a chance I am willing to take and believe it to be the correct course of action.
I will update the rules on the CCT website later today to reflect this decision and move forward with the event as planned.
Sincerely,
Peter
I see no reason for (2). In fact it sounds very counter-productive. In the current climate where authors behave like sulking children, it would be a bad idea to give them a say in anything.Dan Honeycutt wrote:1) The program license does not prohibit entry in such a tournament by a user, and
2) The author does not stipulate that he doesn't want his program to participate.
He, he. You're just harder than I am, HG. The author who goes off sulking gets to answer "why didn't so-and-so play?"hgm wrote:I see no reason for (2). In fact it sounds very counter-productive. In the current climate where authors behave like sulking children, it would be a bad idea to give them a say in anything.Dan Honeycutt wrote:1) The program license does not prohibit entry in such a tournament by a user, and
2) The author does not stipulate that he doesn't want his program to participate.
This is awesome! Computer chess is back at full force. Can't wait to see who wins now.Peter Skinner wrote:I have posted the details and rules of the event at http://www.cctchess.com.
A final date will be determined shortly.
As you can see at the bottom of the page, there is a blurb stating:
That is a paid link to which the event will get $100 from a sponsor. I will be trying to get others as well as a main sponsor for the event. If you or your business would like to gain advertising space on the website and sponsor the event, please contact me via the contact form on the website.If a program is not open for matches or arrives late for a scheduled round, after 20 minutes the game will be considered a forfeit. This is common to all games such as these including in an online casino such as Intercasino and is instituted in order to eliminate one game holding up the tournament..
As the rules state, only the original author may enter an engine. This means that Houdini and Rybka will not be able to participate under this format. Houdini is based on Robbolitto and Rybka was based off Fruit. Being they are not the original authors of their respective program, they will not be allowed to participate. If either program wishes to compete, they would have to submit their code for inspection by a panel that I will be selecting shortly.
Discuss as you see fit.
Peter Skinner
IWCCC Tournament Director
www.cctchess.com
Please enter for your fans. We all want to see it go against the Rybka Cluster in a tournament. This is my greatest wish for now.Houdini wrote:Dan, thank you.Dan Honeycutt wrote:That's too bad. You have a lot of fans who would like to see it play. You snub them because of your spat with Peter.
I'd still respect your wishes and so suggested to Peter in my post just prior to this one.
Best
Dan H.
I like the three stage format and the inclusion of HGM's suggestions.Peter Skinner wrote:I've updated the rules for the event on www.cctchess.com
Are there any disputes or does anything need to be reworded or is everything pretty clear?
Peter
I thought it would be 60' with 15" increments.The time control for all three(3) stages of the Internet World Computer Chess Championship will be 60 seconds with a 15 second increment.