The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Jeroen
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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OK, that is good news! Bravo, Peter. The computer chess world needs somebody who breaks down the destructive forces of a few egocentric programmers. Well done.
ernest
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Jeroen wrote:OK, that is good news! Bravo, Peter. The computer chess world needs somebody who breaks down the destructive forces of a few egocentric programmers. Well done.
To what degree do we have to understand that joke, Jeroen?
Certainly not first degree!... :wink:
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Lusakan
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Peter Skinner wrote:Last night I did some hard thinking about the state of Computer Chess and the direction if any, that I can help steer it towards.

Whether any of us like it, our sport has changed. With the release of the Ippolit code base, anyone can take bits or pieces and design a very strong chess program with a good deal of effort. I suppose it goes even further back than that with the release of the Fruit code. It was very clean and simple to read. People could take that code base and improve upon it, and create a very strong program as well, and we got to see just that.

Recently I have been catering to the few instead of the masses when trying to put together an event, and as a promoter/organizer, that is simply the wrong way to do things.

So I have made a decision for the upcoming IWCCC.

Rybka and Houdini will be allowed to participate if they choose to do so. This is a final decision that will also carry over to the CCT events. Being that I want to hold the strongest tournaments, with the highest amount of participants, this seems like the best decision I can make and draw a line in the sand.
Peter Skinner wrote:
Can you stop dancing like a little school girl as to the originality of your program? Did it not start out from the Ippolit/Robbolito source? Did you not create it with the intention of going commercial? Why didn't you start from scratch and learn like the respected programmers here? What prior programs did you try to clone before giving up because they weren't as strong as you liked? Why do you refer to a chess program like it has feelings? Is that your way of speaking in the third person?
Where really does Peter stand? This tournament is dead and buried for one reason: Peter is split in the middle. His objectives are radically transformative but his principles are dyed in the wool conservative. He gives a strong statement for one side this day and the next day he gives a strong statement for the opposite side.

Even when he says OK guys I have now seen the light and I have taken a definitive stand for one side, he really hasn’t. He calls out to Rybka and Houdini and says:

"Ok you good guys are very welcome to the tournament because without you its a none event indistinguishable from good old ICGA; after all, the publication of the Robolito and fruit code have made an irreversible paradigm shift, no one is untainted, and this must be accepted by all realists."

Next he is glaring at them and holding his nose saying: "You guys smell so bad! I really wish you didn’t participate in my tournament, because what would people think of me if they saw you two entering my house in broad daylight?. But since your suporters are calling for your inclusion, my hands are tied. You can come in, preferably by the back door, you bastards!"

This dramatic flip-flopping just can’t do because you can’t go left and right at the same time.
"you are OK, I am Ok"
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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For computer chess to come back from the dead, the strongest most powerful chess entities must be in a tournament. That is what attracts people and computer chess fans. I think if Rybka Cluster and Houdini Cluster would participate, it would revive a lot of lost interest in computer chess. Most chess lovers want to see the best engines with the best book going against each other simply because that will produce the highest quality chess games possible. Most likely this would also attract attention from top GM's as a chess program for them is akin to water to a fish today.

Personally I think that legal matters should be kept for the lawyers, because computer chess programmers might be great coders but not necessarily the best with legal matters (especially where it concerns competitors).
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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I've set the date for the first stage of the IWCCC to September 29 - 30, 2012.

I have confirmed with HGM that his server will be available for those dates, so we are officially under way.

Registration is open as of now. www.cctchess.com

If there is anything in the rules to be debated, now it the time to do it. Rybka and Houdini will be allowed to participate (if they choose to) as I previously stated that this rule will even carry over to the CCT events. _This will not change_.

It's time this community moved forward and concentrated on chess and not the politics involved. I for one will no longer be playing that game; instead I will be concentrating on organizing the best possible events will the highest amount of participation which is what I feel everyone wants.

I will also no longer be arguing with Robert Houdart. It is pointless and not productive.

Peter
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Mike S.
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Thanks for your efforts. As a computer chess fan, I wish you all the best and I am looking forward to a real World Computer Chess Championship. May the best machine win! :mrgreen:
Regards, Mike
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Thanks Peter. Looking forward to this event.

Good luck,
Gerold.
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Peter Skinner wrote:I've set the date for the first stage of the IWCCC to September 29 - 30, 2012.

I have confirmed with HGM that his server will be available for those dates, so we are officially under way.

Registration is open as of now. www.cctchess.com

If there is anything in the rules to be debated, now it the time to do it. Rybka and Houdini will be allowed to participate (if they choose to) as I previously stated that this rule will even carry over to the CCT events. _This will not change_.

It's time this community moved forward and concentrated on chess and not the politics involved. I for one will no longer be playing that game; instead I will be concentrating on organizing the best possible events will the highest amount of participation which is what I feel everyone wants.

I will also no longer be arguing with Robert Houdart. It is pointless and not productive.

Peter
Very good Peter. Looking forward to it. :)
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Re: The Internet World Computer Chess Championship

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Peter Skinner wrote:I've set the date for the first stage of the IWCCC to September 29 - 30, 2012.

I have confirmed with HGM that his server will be available for those dates, so we are officially under way.

Registration is open as of now. www.cctchess.com

If there is anything in the rules to be debated, now it the time to do it. Rybka and Houdini will be allowed to participate (if they choose to) as I previously stated that this rule will even carry over to the CCT events. _This will not change_.

It's time this community moved forward and concentrated on chess and not the politics involved. I for one will no longer be playing that game; instead I will be concentrating on organizing the best possible events will the highest amount of participation which is what I feel everyone wants.

I will also no longer be arguing with Robert Houdart. It is pointless and not productive.

Peter

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Disconnection/Forfeit Rules
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4. If a program is not open for matches or arrives late for a scheduled round, after 20 minutes the game will be considered a forfeit. This is common to all games such as these including in an online casino such as Intercasino and is instituted in order to eliminate one game holding up the tournament..
I suggest to break down this rule into 2.
1) If a program is not open for matches ...
2) If a program arrives late for a scheduled round ...
In (1) this is just technical, the TD, technical support staff and the operator should just cooperate to solve this issue, 20 minutes or more depends on the TD.
In (2) Time allowance is not required, if operator is not there or perhaps the engine is not there, it is enough to forfeit.
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Thank you very much Muster Mister Robert Houdart.

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Mister Robert Houdart:

As a Chess Player and amateur as I am, and as a lover of chess computers as I am, with all respect Robert, I tell you now: “Thank you very much for Houdini.”

Don’t stop your work; be as a fortress. To continue with your work, ever, and ever. The same words I want to say for Rybka and Mister Vasik. As users of chess engines, we have had the chance for being playing very strong machines, as a consequence of your hard work. No time for the envy.

Thank you again.

As a simple dream, I would like to see a “Father Chess Program “ an engine specialized in playing closing and closing the position move per move, blocking the board avoiding to change their pawns and playing in the third first rows of the boar; an antichess chess computer.

THE FORTRESSES MACHINE!!! If I were a chess programmer I would done this engine yet. If I would have had a computer system study, I would be printing a very high and hard imagination and elaborated software. But I never could be done that product; this work is for all you.

Your intelligence can understand perfect my English; a communication, with many mistakes.This quality is probably as an abstract concept, a privilege of human beings understandig. This is the concept that I have applied ever playing machines, because of; computers cannot understand many times the absurd item of a crazy mind.


With best respect,

Pablo Ignacio
Father play chess user
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.