How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by Peter Skinner » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:29 pm

hgm wrote:Ha ha, good joke! Who would be willing to subsidize the prize of one of the Houdinis with $100 without any chances to win whatsoever? You?

The fun is of course in collecting the entrance fees. :lol: :lol: :lol:
People obviously haven't read the rules very clearly:

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Anyone can enter a program in to the tournament, but preference will be given to original authors.
In the event the original author enters their program, no other registrations by another party will be allowed for that particular program.
No registration will be accepted prior to the entrance fee being paid in full.
So if Robert Houdart were to enter Houdini, no one else could. Same goes for _any_ program.

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by gleperlier » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:31 pm

Cool Peter ! Discussion here made me think everyone can enter with Houdini.

@Don : Bad news for you hundreds of beta test versions :wink:

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by Peter Skinner » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:32 pm

hgm wrote:Ha ha, good joke! Who would be willing to subsidize the prize of one of the Houdinis with $100 without any chances to win whatsoever? You?

The fun is of course in collecting the entrance fees. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Then you organize it, run it, host it, and post the results. Make it free for all I care.

All that means is I turn into a spectator like when I watch the ACCA events. Fine by me.. I would get to really enjoy the weekend.

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by Harvey Williamson » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:32 pm

Peter Skinner wrote:
hgm wrote:Ha ha, good joke! Who would be willing to subsidize the prize of one of the Houdinis with $100 without any chances to win whatsoever? You?

The fun is of course in collecting the entrance fees. :lol: :lol: :lol:
People obviously haven't read the rules very clearly:

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Registration:

Anyone can enter a program in to the tournament, but preference will be given to original authors.
In the event the original author enters their program, no other registrations by another party will be allowed for that particular program.
No registration will be accepted prior to the entrance fee being paid in full.
So if Robert Houdart were to enter Houdini, no one else could. Same goes for _any_ program.

Peter
So if 100 people enter Houdini and then Robert is the 101st you will refund the 100 entry fees and paypal costs?

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by gerold » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:34 pm

gleperlier wrote:
Don wrote:
gleperlier wrote:
I agree with you, however this is what people want. From many discussions on this forum you can see that people actually believe it's sensible to just pile on multiple versions of the same basic program, Ivahnoe, Ippohoe, Firebird, Ippodini, Houdini, Ippolit, and surely any private version that someone has tinkered with.
I agree Don...

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The question is how many are going to be willing to pay $100 to enter.

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by Peter Skinner » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:35 pm

Harvey Williamson wrote: So if 100 people enter Houdini and then Robert is the 101st you will refund the 100 entry fees and paypal costs?
Yes. Without a shadow of a doubt.

The rule is there for a reason.

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by hgm » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:38 pm

Peter Skinner wrote:So if Robert Houdart were to enter Houdini, no one else could. Same goes for _any_ program.
Ah, that makes me really curious. How will you check if one of the entries is a hex-edited Houdini clone? Or one that has its piece values or other eval parameters retuned by this Houdini binary tuner utility, that is so popular these days?

To bad that Robert will not enter. So we will never know. :lol:

(It would not really serve his interests to have a single Houdini participating, and be crushed by the Rybka cluster. Much better to have 50 other people use Houdini, and use the statistical advantage to have one of these 50 that is lucky enough to not play the cluster end above it. :lol: :lol: :lol: )
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by Peter Skinner » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:38 pm

gerold wrote: The question is how many are going to be willing to pay $100 to enter.
You wouldn't believe the number of people using the contact form from the website asking if they can enter with this or that program and what books they are allowed to you.

Once person went so far to ask if he can use 5 different programs with 5 different books purely for testing.

As I have told everyone who has inquired, if they enter with program A and the author of program A enters after them, they will either have to chose a different program to play with, or I will refund their entry fee.

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by Peter Skinner » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:41 pm

hgm wrote:
Peter Skinner wrote:So if Robert Houdart were to enter Houdini, no one else could. Same goes for _any_ program.
Ah, that makes me really curious. How will you check if one of the entries is a hex-edited Houdini clone? Or one that has its piece values or other eval parameters retuned by this Houdini binary tuner utility, that is so popular these days?
Normal CCT rules would apply. If there is a question of authenticity, it will be handled privately, as has been done several times.

The only real change to the rules of this event is the inclusion/participation of clones/derivatives.

If someone is caught cheating, they will be removed and will forfeit their entry fee. Simple as that. There are good methods to find these things out. They have been used in the past successfully, and will be used again.

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

Post by gleperlier » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:42 pm

Harvey Williamson wrote:
So if 100 people enter Houdini and then Robert is the 101st you will refund the 100 entry fees and paypal costs?
In fact only one guy will be able to enter with Houdini. If Robert enter, Peter will have to refund only one guy 100$.

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