How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Don wrote:I don't think Peter understands what you are saying. He just missed it and that's probably not what he meant. Based on what he actually said anyone can enter Komodo, perhaps 20 different people and only if I try to enter Komodo would they get kicked.
Yes, exactly. So why would you do it? It would reduce Komodo's chances by a factor 20. :shock:
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Don wrote:
hgm wrote:Why would I, as an author, enter my program if already two others had entered it before me? It would reduce the chances of my program winning by 50%...
I don't think Peter understands what you are saying. He just missed it and that's probably not what he meant. Based on what he actually said anyone can enter Komodo, perhaps 20 different people and only if I try to enter Komodo would they get kicked.

Don
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Don wrote:
hgm wrote:Why would I, as an author, enter my program if already two others had entered it before me? It would reduce the chances of my program winning by 50%...
I don't think Peter understands what you are saying. He just missed it and that's probably not what he meant. Based on what he actually said anyone can enter Komodo, perhaps 20 different people and only if I try to enter Komodo would they get kicked.

Don
that would be to assume $2000 of Komodo interest.

Perhaps you flatter yourself?
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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If you want to give incentive to the the authors to play, instead of saying if they play all others are out. Why don't you give them a small % of the other programs entry fees? I don't know what would be a good number %. But at 100$ you could probably get enough to cover some of the authors.
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Harvey Williamson wrote:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote: Peter it would never have been posted here if you had not alluded to what i said in the post i replied to.
Then Harvey, post the entire conversation.

You stated that my signature on the Hiarcs Forum was now misleading:

Peter Skinner
Kikrtech.com
Authors Against Piracy

Did I not state that I still remove links on file sharing sites for Hiarcs, Shredder, Junior, Fritz and other programs? Did you also not state that Hiarcs would likely never enter one of my events again over running this type of tournament?

Just post the entire conversation with my permission so this can be cleared up. I am more than willing to admit to _anything_ I have said.

Peter
btw i can reactivate your a/c whenever you want nothing is deleted.

1st one and your reply:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:Sorry Peter I am not going to allow you to advertise this tournament here. I doubt Hiarcs will ever play in 1 of your events again. Your signature now seems a little strange:
Peter Skinner
http://www.kikrtech.com
Authors Against Piracy
But I guess you might make some money out of it.

Best Wishes,
Harvey
The whole point of the tournament is to prove how utterly useless it is, and what a waste of time it will be. Nothing more.

The reason the ICGA has good tournament rules (And I try to follow the same rules with the CCT) is because it weeds out the crap.

I'm out to prove that with 90 derivatives entering, it will become what everyone bitches about. A hardware/book war. Nothing more.

Peter
You then sent this before i replied to you:
Sorry, I just realized there was a second part of the message.

How exactly is allowing someone to play with an engine that is freely available on the internet supporting piracy?

And I'm sorry to hear that Hiarcs won't be participating in the CCT's anymore. I will remove you guys from my invitation list.

Peter
Then my reply and yours:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote: I did not realise that engines available on the net by definition could not be pirated.

strange definition you have.
What I meant was engines like Houdini, Robbolitto, Ippolit... they are freely available. Same as Crafty, Arasan...

I was not talking about engines like Hiarcs, Shredder, Fritz, Junior.. all of which I still remove links for almost daily.

Surely if someone purchases an engine, they should be able to enter it in to a fun event like this.

Jesus Harvey, this event was trying to prove a point. You seem to take it quite personally.

If you don't want me to advertise it here, that is fine. This is your board, but to suddenly accuse me of supporting piracy goes too far.

Just delete my account from here. I won't both posting here again about any event.

Peter
Then the final ones
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote: ok hope you make some money out of your mad event.
If all you see it as is a cash grab, then you miss the point of it entirely.

Good luck with Hiarcs Harvey. This is likely the last time we will speak.

Peter


Pete's comment made me stop and think. Please check- and if my Hiarcs Forum membership is still open and valid- I would like it closed out. Tho in my mind it has long been shut down- I think it best to make it official.

george
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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geots wrote: Pete's comment made me stop and think.

george
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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geots wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote: Peter it would never have been posted here if you had not alluded to what i said in the post i replied to.
Then Harvey, post the entire conversation.

You stated that my signature on the Hiarcs Forum was now misleading:

Peter Skinner
Kikrtech.com
Authors Against Piracy

Did I not state that I still remove links on file sharing sites for Hiarcs, Shredder, Junior, Fritz and other programs? Did you also not state that Hiarcs would likely never enter one of my events again over running this type of tournament?

Just post the entire conversation with my permission so this can be cleared up. I am more than willing to admit to _anything_ I have said.

Peter
btw i can reactivate your a/c whenever you want nothing is deleted.

1st one and your reply:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:Sorry Peter I am not going to allow you to advertise this tournament here. I doubt Hiarcs will ever play in 1 of your events again. Your signature now seems a little strange:
Peter Skinner
http://www.kikrtech.com
Authors Against Piracy
But I guess you might make some money out of it.

Best Wishes,
Harvey
The whole point of the tournament is to prove how utterly useless it is, and what a waste of time it will be. Nothing more.

The reason the ICGA has good tournament rules (And I try to follow the same rules with the CCT) is because it weeds out the crap.

I'm out to prove that with 90 derivatives entering, it will become what everyone bitches about. A hardware/book war. Nothing more.

Peter
You then sent this before i replied to you:
Sorry, I just realized there was a second part of the message.

How exactly is allowing someone to play with an engine that is freely available on the internet supporting piracy?

And I'm sorry to hear that Hiarcs won't be participating in the CCT's anymore. I will remove you guys from my invitation list.

Peter
Then my reply and yours:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote: I did not realise that engines available on the net by definition could not be pirated.

strange definition you have.
What I meant was engines like Houdini, Robbolitto, Ippolit... they are freely available. Same as Crafty, Arasan...

I was not talking about engines like Hiarcs, Shredder, Fritz, Junior.. all of which I still remove links for almost daily.

Surely if someone purchases an engine, they should be able to enter it in to a fun event like this.

Jesus Harvey, this event was trying to prove a point. You seem to take it quite personally.

If you don't want me to advertise it here, that is fine. This is your board, but to suddenly accuse me of supporting piracy goes too far.

Just delete my account from here. I won't both posting here again about any event.

Peter
Then the final ones
Peter Skinner wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote: ok hope you make some money out of your mad event.
If all you see it as is a cash grab, then you miss the point of it entirely.

Good luck with Hiarcs Harvey. This is likely the last time we will speak.

Peter


Pete's comment made me stop and think. Please check- and if my Hiarcs Forum membership is still open and valid- I would like it closed out. Tho in my mind it has long been shut down- I think it best to make it official.

george
PR expert Harvey destroys HIARCS
PR expert Hyatt destroys ICGA

Hint to commercial computer chess entities, stop relying on idiots, do your own PR or shut up might be better policy.
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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chrisw wrote: PR expert Harvey destroys HIARCS
PR expert Hyatt destroys ICGA

Hint to commercial computer chess entities, stop relying on idiots, do your own PR or shut up might be better policy.
Funny just keep your eyes open some pretty big announcements coming soon.

btw when did I ever rely on you?
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Well registration is officially open.

The new site design is in place, and registration setup and in place.

Let the fun begin :)

Peter
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Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?

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Peter Skinner wrote:
gerold wrote:Why not for free. Then you would have a lot more in. 8-)

GM's on ICC like anywhere from $700 - 1200 for a two day tournament, commentating on the top 5 boards, and frolicking in other games from time to time.

Peter
Sounds great !