bob wrote:
I would not be surprised in the least to discover that 1/4 of the cct-12 programs are not original.
Any burden of proof is on YOUR side. Naming would be a nice start. Evidence is next. Waiting...
"I would not be surprised . . ." is not an allegation.
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Dan H.
Casts a slur of suspicion though.
That's true but there is no implication that you have evidence against anyone in particular which is what Marcel seems to believe.
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Dan H.
Indeed, but one must be careful not to upset genuine authors with a blanket statement like that, even if it could well be right according to Bob's definition of originality.
bob wrote:
I would not be surprised in the least to discover that 1/4 of the cct-12 programs are not original.
Any burden of proof is on YOUR side. Naming would be a nice start. Evidence is next. Waiting...
"I would not be surprised . . ." is not an allegation.
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Dan H.
Casts a slur of suspicion though.
That's true but there is no implication that you have evidence against anyone in particular which is what Marcel seems to believe.
Best
Dan H.
Indeed, but one must be careful not to upset genuine authors with a blanket statement like that, even if it could well be right according to Bob's definition of originality.
I believe saying 1/4 was being careful since this number represents a minority. So a genuine author need not get upset since he is in the 3/4 (or majority).
bob wrote:
I would not be surprised in the least to discover that 1/4 of the cct-12 programs are not original.
Any burden of proof is on YOUR side. Naming would be a nice start. Evidence is next. Waiting...
"I would not be surprised . . ." is not an allegation.
Best
Dan H.
Casts a slur of suspicion though.
That's true but there is no implication that you have evidence against anyone in particular which is what Marcel seems to believe.
Best
Dan H.
Indeed, but one must be careful not to upset genuine authors with a blanket statement like that, even if it could well be right according to Bob's definition of originality.
I believe saying 1/4 was being careful since this number represents a minority. So a genuine author need not get upset since he is in the 3/4 (or majority).
You're right, only programmers that may not be completely ligit would be nervous. If there isn't a Watchdog then the programmers that may not be clean would eventually become the majority.
That would be very tragic for computer chess. Quality would be sacrificed along with Originality.
You smeared 1/4 of the CCT entrants for no other reason than your gut. That is not a lie. By the way, nothing came out of that empty statement.
Confirmed.
Please "name the CCT entrants that were smeared". SPECIFICALLY. Program names or author names will do equally well.
waiting...
Recap
bob wrote: Here's a newsflash. Fruit/Rybka/Robo* is just the_tip_ of the iceberg. And I do mean the "tip". I would not be surprised in the least to discover that 1/4 of the cct-12 programs are not original. Vincent has raised this issue several times, I happen to agree with him completely. We have some _major_ issues with "ethically challenged individuals".
Graham wrote: So which authors would you like to accuse
bob wrote: Will accuse when enough evidence is collected. "gut" is rarely wrong in these cases, however. More later. No statement about when "later" is, hence no names yet either.
Meaning it's your job to list those names you had in mind and your More later implies that you got that yourself.
marcelk wrote: And Rybka didn't compete at the same time with Fruit (5).
It did however play 2x against Gridchess/Cluster Toga which did have Fabien's permission to be there.
Ok thanks. Which tournaments where that? Before or after the "I took many things"-statement of VR?
With a GPL you don't need additional author's permission to use it (or any part of it) in a tournament, at least when the tournament is held in the EU.
At best you need the organizer's permission, and indeed for the WCCC this is written in rule 2 that for that purpose the TD needs disclosure of the contents. My wondering here is how strict the information regarding origins on the entry forms have been applied historically, and how much has been accepted from "public knowledge".
Hi Ed. I'm keeping busy and enjoying retirement. I pop in once in a while to see what's up with this Rybka debate. It's like a soap opera - you can miss two months and pick it right back up.
