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Re: Residual Image

Post by Werewolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:14 pm

Don wrote:
Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
How about blindfold practice? I think any player over 1800 can probably play 1 game blindfold, or at least do it with some practice. I don't know if it will help your chess but it seems like it might.

I think that I remember hearing that xboard has a blindfold mode, not sure if it does or how it works. You can run Crafty too I'm pretty sure in a terminal without display - or just cover the screen except for the prompt.
Thanks Don, I'll give that a go. The problem I have though, is when the board is ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF ME, it overrides what's in my head....hence I was wondering about closing my eyes.

On a far more important note...how's Komodo going? :)

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Don » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:29 pm

Werewolf wrote:
Don wrote:
Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
How about blindfold practice? I think any player over 1800 can probably play 1 game blindfold, or at least do it with some practice. I don't know if it will help your chess but it seems like it might.

I think that I remember hearing that xboard has a blindfold mode, not sure if it does or how it works. You can run Crafty too I'm pretty sure in a terminal without display - or just cover the screen except for the prompt.
Thanks Don, I'll give that a go. The problem I have though, is when the board is ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF ME, it overrides what's in my head....hence I was wondering about closing my eyes.

On a far more important note...how's Komodo going? :)
Getting Komodo MP ready for Peters tournament, also have some ELO gains.

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Dan Andersson » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:35 pm

I've never understood the love the Kotov books get from some. They have a very few points when it comes to practical chess. OTOH it promotes strange ideas of the execution of "master" plans and strategy by showing off games where one side more or less lies down on the ground and resigns. The tricks of mental calculation are also grossly simplified and artificial. In my opinion Laker, Euwe, Nunn, Watson, Yermolinski and a whole host of others do a much better job. Same gripe I have with the Nimzowitch books, Alburt and Seirawan strip the strange metaphysics away and have game analysis you can actually rely on. Seirawan's beginners Winning Chess for example manages to teach rank beginners everything worth knowing in the old books.

Sorry for the rant ;)

MvH Dan Andersson

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Werewolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:30 pm

Don wrote:
Getting Komodo MP ready for Peters tournament, also have some ELO gains.
Peters tournament....I must have been living in a black hole, sorry. What tournament is that? Is there a webpage or broadcast?

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Robert Flesher » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:13 pm

Dan Andersson wrote:I've never understood the love the Kotov books get from some. They have a very few points when it comes to practical chess. OTOH it promotes strange ideas of the execution of "master" plans and strategy by showing off games where one side more or less lies down on the ground and resigns. The tricks of mental calculation are also grossly simplified and artificial. In my opinion Laker, Euwe, Nunn, Watson, Yermolinski and a whole host of others do a much better job. Same gripe I have with the Nimzowitch books, Alburt and Seirawan strip the strange metaphysics away and have game analysis you can actually rely on. Seirawan's beginners Winning Chess for example manages to teach rank beginners everything worth knowing in the old books.

Sorry for the rant ;)

MvH Dan Andersson

Heya Dan, I think you make a very good point regards Kotov's books. However, I look at books from a slightly different objective. If a book can give you even one idea that really opens your mind/chess thoughts to something that you were not aware of. I believe this book to be a gem. Kotovs "Think Like A Grandmaster" did this for me, although I read it many years ago, some ideas have still stuck.

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Re: Residual Image

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Don » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Werewolf wrote:
Don wrote:
Getting Komodo MP ready for Peters tournament, also have some ELO gains.
Peters tournament....I must have been living in a black hole, sorry. What tournament is that? Is there a webpage or broadcast?
This is the CCT 14 online tournament.

Don

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Werewolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:52 pm

Ah, of course. I wish you the very best of luck and....I hope you beat Thinker
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Re: Residual Image

Post by pilgrimdan » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:25 am

hey Dan

you probably don't remember me...

a few years ago you mentioned a science book - A New Kind of Science...

i've been through 2 copies and 2 1/2 years of reading...

its one of the best books i have ever read...

just wanted to thank you for the heads up...

regards,

Dan Ellwein

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