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Residual Image

Post by Werewolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:38 am

As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:32 am

Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
Strange....never encountered such a problem :roll:
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Re: Residual Image

Post by Robert Flesher » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:53 am

Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!

Kotov in his book "Think Like A Grandmaster" Kotov speaks of this very phenomenon. He goes into great detail as how to identify this issue and correct it. I think you will be pleased. Truly and beautiful gem of a book.

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Robert Flesher » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:03 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
Strange....never encountered such a problem :roll:

Of course you have Doc. We all do. You just are not thinking along those lines. Everytime you lose to Houdini or Komodo or others you have missed something perhaps 10-12 ply deeper in the position. Often when you miss tactical ideas it is for this very reason that Carl pointed out. Hindsight is always 20/20, but looking back it's still a bit fuzzy. :wink:

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Werewolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:11 pm

Robert Flesher wrote:

Kotov in his book "Think Like A Grandmaster" Kotov speaks of this very phenomenon. He goes into great detail as how to identify this issue and correct it. I think you will be pleased. Truly and beautiful gem of a book.
THANK YOU. I actually HAVE this book on my shelf! How embarrassing, I better actually go and read it now.

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:15 pm

Robert Flesher wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
Strange....never encountered such a problem :roll:

Of course you have Doc. We all do. You just are not thinking along those lines. Everytime you lose to Houdini or Komodo or others you have missed something perhaps 10-12 ply deeper in the position. Often when you miss tactical ideas it is for this very reason that Carl pointed out. Hindsight is always 20/20, but looking back it's still a bit fuzzy. :wink:
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Re: Residual Image

Post by Andre » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:06 pm

On the same topic I would suggest "Invisible Chess Moves" that just won book of the year http://www.chesscafe.com/Reviews/boty.htm

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Werewolf » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:28 pm

Is that good? I saw a big splodge on the front cover and didn't know what to make of it.

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Re: Residual Image

Post by bob » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:41 pm

Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
Ever tried to play blindfolded? Helped me a lot many years ago. When I went to college, friend and I drove about 50 miles one way every day for a year, commuting, before I moved to be closer. We played chess every day. When I drove, he used a little plastic peg-board, and I played "blindfolded" (unable to see the board). I found it helped my play a LOT...

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Re: Residual Image

Post by Don » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:02 pm

Werewolf wrote:As an OTB player I'm just shy of 2200 elo. I've spend quite a bit of time trying to find what's holding me back and one of my problems is the visualisation of chess positions during analysis.

I often get the board muddled and miss things and when the position I had imagined actually gets played. Over the board it looks very different to how I saw it in my mind a few moves back. I'm starting to think this may be a residual image problem as I have a good eye for tactics (weirdly).

Does anyone know how to beat this? Has anything good been written on this topic? I notice that quite a few players are closing their eyes these days or turning away from the board - is that to visualise a 2D board in their mind which they can move the pieces around at will??

Any help appreciated!
How about blindfold practice? I think any player over 1800 can probably play 1 game blindfold, or at least do it with some practice. I don't know if it will help your chess but it seems like it might.

I think that I remember hearing that xboard has a blindfold mode, not sure if it does or how it works. You can run Crafty too I'm pretty sure in a terminal without display - or just cover the screen except for the prompt.

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