Deep Fritz 12 also see the line.
Analysis by Deep Fritz 12:
14.Nxe6 fxe6 15.Bd3 Qg7 16.Rhe1 e5 17.Be4 Bxe4 18.Qxe4 Ra7 19.Nd5 Bd6 20.Qg4 0-0 21.Qe6+ Kh8 22.Qxd6 Rb7 23.Re3 Rf2
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Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions."
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
Ok, I think that is the best move anyway.tano-urayoan wrote:You said 14. Re1 Qd6 right? What about 15. Bxb5 now?Don wrote:
Anyway, I think I need someone else to take the white side of that position. Who wants to try to make a win for white?
My response is Be7.
Position after 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Bb5 Be7
[D]rn2k2r/1b1nbp1p/p2qp1p1/1B4B1/3N3Q/2N5/PPP3PP/2K1R2R w kq - 1 3
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
Does the peter out to a draw? Komodo still finds it interesting. If 16. Ne4 Komodo likes 16. ... Bxe4 with a 0.40 advantage for white based on a 29 ply search.Don wrote:Ok, I think that is the best move anyway.tano-urayoan wrote:You said 14. Re1 Qd6 right? What about 15. Bxb5 now?Don wrote:
Anyway, I think I need someone else to take the white side of that position. Who wants to try to make a win for white?
My response is Be7.
Position after 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Bxb5 Be7
[D]rn2k2r/1b1nbp1p/p2qp1p1/1B4B1/3N3Q/2N5/PPP3PP/2K1R2R w kq - 1 3
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
This appears to be a genuine novelty. I couldn't find it in ChessBase MegaBase 2011 or Correspondence Database 2011.
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
Again 16. Nxe6 looks strong. I think We enter a forced sequence in which white ends with Queen and 4 pawns against Rook + 2 knights and 2 or 3 pawns, I am using Critter 0.9 which evaluates the final position .82 but optically looks white has a serious advantage.Don wrote: Ok, I think that is the best move anyway.
My response is Be7.
Position after 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Bb5 Be7
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
Ok, we will try Nxe6, give you are response in about 8-10 hours.tano-urayoan wrote:Again 16. Nxe6 looks strong. I think We enter a forced sequence in which white ends with Queen and 4 pawns against Rook + 2 knights and 2 or 3 pawns, I am using Critter 0.9 which evaluates the final position .82 but optically looks white has a serious advantage.Don wrote: Ok, I think that is the best move anyway.
My response is Be7.
Position after 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Bb5 Be7
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
I might as well give you the obvious response now:Don wrote:Ok, we will try Nxe6, give you are response in about 8-10 hours.tano-urayoan wrote:Again 16. Nxe6 looks strong. I think We enter a forced sequence in which white ends with Queen and 4 pawns against Rook + 2 knights and 2 or 3 pawns, I am using Critter 0.9 which evaluates the final position .82 but optically looks white has a serious advantage.Don wrote: Ok, I think that is the best move anyway.
My response is Be7.
Position after 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Bb5 Be7
15. Bxb5 Be7 16. Nxe6 fxe6
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
Komodo definitely thinks 16. Nxe6 is not the best move and sees the score as being pretty close to even. It thinks 16. Ne4 is a better trying giving white a clear advantage. Maybe I will learn something about Komodo's evaluation here.Don wrote:I might as well give you the obvious response now:Don wrote:Ok, we will try Nxe6, give you are response in about 8-10 hours.tano-urayoan wrote:Again 16. Nxe6 looks strong. I think We enter a forced sequence in which white ends with Queen and 4 pawns against Rook + 2 knights and 2 or 3 pawns, I am using Critter 0.9 which evaluates the final position .82 but optically looks white has a serious advantage.Don wrote: Ok, I think that is the best move anyway.
My response is Be7.
Position after 14. Re1 Qd6 15. Bb5 Be7
15. Bxb5 Be7 16. Nxe6 fxe6
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
This is a great find! I wish more people where posting such interesting moves.
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Re: Cooking The Opening Book with Stockfish
Hi Don!Don wrote: 15. Bxb5 Be7 16. Nxe6 fxe6
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Komodo definitely thinks 16. Nxe6 is not the best move and sees the score as being pretty close to even. It thinks 16. Ne4 is a better trying giving white a clear advantage. Maybe I will learn something about Komodo's evaluation here.
For sure it's a very tricky position and I really think that 14.Nxe6 is a very fine novelty, probably the one and only very best move, even if it is not so easy to proof because the well known alternatives 14.Bxb5 (with 17.Nxe6 arising in some examples) and 14.Re1 have had some high rated games with white wins too.
14.Nxe6 might not get so many examples of high class games simply because the whole variant might not be played by masters with Black at all any more just because of this novelty.
I for myself would not dare to reach the 14. move in this variant any longer as Black, (as a matter of fact I did not even till now ) knowing 14.Nxe6 now
Peter.