Re: how far is too far: houdini for sell?
Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:22 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, I don't see it happen.georgerifkin wrote:mr schroeder will there ever be a new version of pro deo? or perhaps rebel?
Sorry to disappoint you, I don't see it happen.georgerifkin wrote:mr schroeder will there ever be a new version of pro deo? or perhaps rebel?
Bob no one has come forward to say there was a copyright violation. You have no standing to make such a claim, and can not. It is not your copyright.bob wrote:Copying code that is copyrighted IS a crime. You can't use the argument that Robo* is public domain, if IT contains copied code. It would also be an illegal copy that violates copyright.mwyoung wrote:Then Bob if Fabien or Vas make a claim against Robert Houdart. Then you can start talking about crimes, until that time stop suggesting Robert Houdart is guilty of a crime.bob wrote:Robert Houdart has REPEATEDLY stated that houdini is 100% original code. Just like Vas. Yet that is false. I DO have a problem with liars. And he is clearly a liar, because he has made provably false statements, REPEATEDLY.mark young wrote: But this has nothing to do with Robert Houdart. Robert never signed anything that said his program is original. Robert Houdart never played in tournament and took money saying is programs is 100% his own. I understand your problem with Vas.
But your problem Don Quixote even if all you say is true, Robert Houdart did not commit a crime. His product is legal.
If I am wrong, I will ask you give us the name(s) of the person who Robert Houdart stole code from.
And why those person(s) have not made a charge against Robert Houdart.
Bob "Don Quixote" Hyatt tell the CCC community why you are not taking Robert Hourdart to court. Since you have all the goods on him as you claim. You know he has money from Houdini.......so tell us why.
The most likely names are Fabien and Vas. Give everyone time to process the evidence, perhaps you will get what you don't want here...
If you violate copyright law (of which the GPL is a part) then that is a criminal act with potential criminal punishment if it is pursued.
Hi Thomas,Thomas Mayer wrote:Hi Ed,Rebel wrote:You are fighting a phantom that can't be defeated. 2009 (ippo, robo) became the deathblow for fair competition.bob wrote: I simply state facts. You are EXACTLY in the same boat as the few remaining Rybka fans. Sorry that you don't like FACTS, but fact is, houdini is based on Robolito. Ton of evidence to support that, more coming each day. Learn to live with it, because it is NOT going away...
In this light I can understand the decision of the ICGA to keep rule #2 straight up although voluntarily degrading the yearly WC as a second division tournament.
whereas I have hope that this might change in the future again. What is the CSVN thinking about rule #2 ? And what are you thinking ? Just want to ask because I am currently not sure about that.
Greets, Thomas
Mark Young shutup it's a bogus strawman that you keep repeating ad nauseam.mwyoung wrote:Bob no one has come forward to say there was a copyright violation. You have no standing to make such a claim, and can not. It is not your copyright.bob wrote:Copying code that is copyrighted IS a crime. You can't use the argument that Robo* is public domain, if IT contains copied code. It would also be an illegal copy that violates copyright.mwyoung wrote:Then Bob if Fabien or Vas make a claim against Robert Houdart. Then you can start talking about crimes, until that time stop suggesting Robert Houdart is guilty of a crime.bob wrote:Robert Houdart has REPEATEDLY stated that houdini is 100% original code. Just like Vas. Yet that is false. I DO have a problem with liars. And he is clearly a liar, because he has made provably false statements, REPEATEDLY.mark young wrote: But this has nothing to do with Robert Houdart. Robert never signed anything that said his program is original. Robert Houdart never played in tournament and took money saying is programs is 100% his own. I understand your problem with Vas.
But your problem Don Quixote even if all you say is true, Robert Houdart did not commit a crime. His product is legal.
If I am wrong, I will ask you give us the name(s) of the person who Robert Houdart stole code from.
And why those person(s) have not made a charge against Robert Houdart.
Bob "Don Quixote" Hyatt tell the CCC community why you are not taking Robert Hourdart to court. Since you have all the goods on him as you claim. You know he has money from Houdini.......so tell us why.
The most likely names are Fabien and Vas. Give everyone time to process the evidence, perhaps you will get what you don't want here...
If you violate copyright law (of which the GPL is a part) then that is a criminal act with potential criminal punishment if it is pursued.
Bob you do have a hard on for Robert Houdart and Houdini, and you need to get over it.
You can not be judge and jury here Bob, Robert Houdart is not subject to ICGA rules.
Hello Terry nice to see you again. How are you doing today...better I hope.Terry McCracken wrote:Mark Young shutup it's a bogus strawman that you keep repeating ad nauseam.mwyoung wrote:Bob no one has come forward to say there was a copyright violation. You have no standing to make such a claim, and can not. It is not your copyright.bob wrote:Copying code that is copyrighted IS a crime. You can't use the argument that Robo* is public domain, if IT contains copied code. It would also be an illegal copy that violates copyright.mwyoung wrote:Then Bob if Fabien or Vas make a claim against Robert Houdart. Then you can start talking about crimes, until that time stop suggesting Robert Houdart is guilty of a crime.bob wrote:Robert Houdart has REPEATEDLY stated that houdini is 100% original code. Just like Vas. Yet that is false. I DO have a problem with liars. And he is clearly a liar, because he has made provably false statements, REPEATEDLY.mark young wrote: But this has nothing to do with Robert Houdart. Robert never signed anything that said his program is original. Robert Houdart never played in tournament and took money saying is programs is 100% his own. I understand your problem with Vas.
But your problem Don Quixote even if all you say is true, Robert Houdart did not commit a crime. His product is legal.
If I am wrong, I will ask you give us the name(s) of the person who Robert Houdart stole code from.
And why those person(s) have not made a charge against Robert Houdart.
Bob "Don Quixote" Hyatt tell the CCC community why you are not taking Robert Hourdart to court. Since you have all the goods on him as you claim. You know he has money from Houdini.......so tell us why.
The most likely names are Fabien and Vas. Give everyone time to process the evidence, perhaps you will get what you don't want here...
If you violate copyright law (of which the GPL is a part) then that is a criminal act with potential criminal punishment if it is pursued.
Bob you do have a hard on for Robert Houdart and Houdini, and you need to get over it.
You can not be judge and jury here Bob, Robert Houdart is not subject to ICGA rules.
Dirt wrote: I see no reason he should not also have an opinion about what is the best interface, even if it is wrong.
The answer to your point, quoted above, is not what I intended. I had just got back from a hard day in London and my concentration was not as good as it should have been. The answer that I intended is given below, I replace the word "price" with the phrase "best interface"K I Hyams wrote: Of course he has a perfect right to have an opinion on price. However, context is everything and when a manufacturer puts his own opinion on the price of his own product into a post designed to promote his own product, the result is a commercial exhortation.
Of course he has a perfect right to have an opinion on best interface. However, context is everything and when a manufacturer puts his own opinion on the best interface into a post designed to promote his own product, the result is a commercial exhortation.Dirt wrote: I see no reason he should not also have an opinion about what is the best interface, even if it is wrong.
How do you keep a troll in suspense?mwyoung wrote:Hello Terry nice to see you again. How are you doing today...better I hope.Terry McCracken wrote:Mark Young shutup it's a bogus strawman that you keep repeating ad nauseam.mwyoung wrote:Bob no one has come forward to say there was a copyright violation. You have no standing to make such a claim, and can not. It is not your copyright.bob wrote:Copying code that is copyrighted IS a crime. You can't use the argument that Robo* is public domain, if IT contains copied code. It would also be an illegal copy that violates copyright.mwyoung wrote:Then Bob if Fabien or Vas make a claim against Robert Houdart. Then you can start talking about crimes, until that time stop suggesting Robert Houdart is guilty of a crime.bob wrote:Robert Houdart has REPEATEDLY stated that houdini is 100% original code. Just like Vas. Yet that is false. I DO have a problem with liars. And he is clearly a liar, because he has made provably false statements, REPEATEDLY.mark young wrote: But this has nothing to do with Robert Houdart. Robert never signed anything that said his program is original. Robert Houdart never played in tournament and took money saying is programs is 100% his own. I understand your problem with Vas.
But your problem Don Quixote even if all you say is true, Robert Houdart did not commit a crime. His product is legal.
If I am wrong, I will ask you give us the name(s) of the person who Robert Houdart stole code from.
And why those person(s) have not made a charge against Robert Houdart.
Bob "Don Quixote" Hyatt tell the CCC community why you are not taking Robert Hourdart to court. Since you have all the goods on him as you claim. You know he has money from Houdini.......so tell us why.
The most likely names are Fabien and Vas. Give everyone time to process the evidence, perhaps you will get what you don't want here...
If you violate copyright law (of which the GPL is a part) then that is a criminal act with potential criminal punishment if it is pursued.
Bob you do have a hard on for Robert Houdart and Houdini, and you need to get over it.
You can not be judge and jury here Bob, Robert Houdart is not subject to ICGA rules.
BTW You never did tell me what troll freind you could not find in google. Could you tell me what you mean, or did you head clear long enough that you were able to find it in google.
Ok I will take it that you were able to find what you were asking for in google after all.Terry McCracken wrote:How do you keep a troll in suspense?mwyoung wrote:Hello Terry nice to see you again. How are you doing today...better I hope.Terry McCracken wrote:Mark Young shutup it's a bogus strawman that you keep repeating ad nauseam.mwyoung wrote:Bob no one has come forward to say there was a copyright violation. You have no standing to make such a claim, and can not. It is not your copyright.bob wrote:Copying code that is copyrighted IS a crime. You can't use the argument that Robo* is public domain, if IT contains copied code. It would also be an illegal copy that violates copyright.mwyoung wrote:Then Bob if Fabien or Vas make a claim against Robert Houdart. Then you can start talking about crimes, until that time stop suggesting Robert Houdart is guilty of a crime.bob wrote:Robert Houdart has REPEATEDLY stated that houdini is 100% original code. Just like Vas. Yet that is false. I DO have a problem with liars. And he is clearly a liar, because he has made provably false statements, REPEATEDLY.mark young wrote: But this has nothing to do with Robert Houdart. Robert never signed anything that said his program is original. Robert Houdart never played in tournament and took money saying is programs is 100% his own. I understand your problem with Vas.
But your problem Don Quixote even if all you say is true, Robert Houdart did not commit a crime. His product is legal.
If I am wrong, I will ask you give us the name(s) of the person who Robert Houdart stole code from.
And why those person(s) have not made a charge against Robert Houdart.
Bob "Don Quixote" Hyatt tell the CCC community why you are not taking Robert Hourdart to court. Since you have all the goods on him as you claim. You know he has money from Houdini.......so tell us why.
The most likely names are Fabien and Vas. Give everyone time to process the evidence, perhaps you will get what you don't want here...
If you violate copyright law (of which the GPL is a part) then that is a criminal act with potential criminal punishment if it is pursued.
Bob you do have a hard on for Robert Houdart and Houdini, and you need to get over it.
You can not be judge and jury here Bob, Robert Houdart is not subject to ICGA rules.
BTW You never did tell me what troll freind you could not find in google. Could you tell me what you mean, or did you head clear long enough that you were able to find it in google.
I think that an organizer must know what he wants and what not. Otherwise you shouldn't organize.Rebel wrote:The CSVN repeatedly said: programmers give us the definition of a clone and we will abide.Thomas Mayer wrote: whereas I have hope that this might change in the future again. What is the CSVN thinking about rule #2 ? And what are you thinking ? Just want to ask because I am currently not sure about that.
And I think they make a valid point.
IMHO the only real protection is unconditional verification of prize winners.Programmers need to unite in a new organization that protects them against the clones. I had a long talk with David and the ICGA is not going to do it.