I Thought There Was Already Too Much Confusion

[rlsuth]

I guess Microsoft should be condemned for buying the rights to QDos too?

[mhull]

I guess Microsoft should be condemned for buying the rights to QDos too?

Actually, they should since qdos sucks.

[geots]

Maybe it was because I was looking for logos and loading chess engines that I should have done a year ago, but I thought about a program and wondered why it had won a championship, but I couldn't remember its name. And had heard no one else on any forum talking about it. So the best I can tell you is the more I thought about it, the more I wanted to take a look at it.

It just hit me and I remembered when we were discussing on RF last week the state of computer chess in general, and Rybka in particular, Zach made the comment that he had not seen a trophy yet. I'm thinking what trophy, and he goes on and explains to whoever asked- about his program that moved to champion of some tourney- after Rybka was moved aside.

I could not remember the name, and I asked Graham. So he tells me the name is Rondo. Wonderful. I have been out of the testing loop for close to 2 years, so what the hell do I know. I asked him if Zach changed the name of ZCT (Zach's Chess Test) to Rondo. Nope.

I wanted a copy to test, and that was when he told me they did not test private versions any longer, and he had not even seen a copy. I tell him I heard the name once and couldn't remember it- so how do I miss all the excitement and why I'm the only person who hasn't been aware of it setting the chess community on fire. I'm sorta stunned- it is obvious he has plenty of knowledge in these areas, but he didn't exactly have to worry about anyone RE ZCT to learn his secrets.

And unless this program had been a well hidden secret for a good while- his speed to the top made Vas look like a turtle with arthritis. So Graham said he didn't exactly start from scratch. If you know Graham, prying info out of him is like pulling teeth. So I asked him exactly where did he start.

So I am told that Rondo is sort of like, whatever the hell "sort of like" is- anyway, he tells me that it is sort of "Zappa under development with the name changed to Rondo." Of course- now being just a little curious- I asked him what the hell Zach had to do with Zappa.

You believe he told me they had something in common- both names start with the letter "Z". Just a joke- I couldn't resist it. Seriously, he told me that Zach bought the rights- bought as in paid money??- to the program that is "sort of Zappa" and "sort of" evidently already pretty close to an area that wasn't light years from a championship when he bought the rights to it. Now I know all Graham knew- which isn't much.

Look, the CC community has problems- none the least of which is how the hell you win without putting your program and yourself in danger from more than enough people with more than enough ability to RE it, and find out whatever they are looking for. Maybe it doesn't hurt as much if you don't have the time invested like all the guys I know that do.

Look, I'm not throwing shots around at anyone. And I don't have a problem with Zach. And if what is actually going on is a sort of partnership between Cozzie and Zach, ok- maybe Zach just got lucky and got in when most of the work had already be done. A "sort of" deal like Larry and Dailey have going.

But when he was talking to whoever it was I don't remember, he did say that he was supposed to get a trophy, but he hadn't seen it yet. It was sort of "I this" and "me that"- I didn't hear any "me and Cozzie". I won't make a joke here and say Rondo is short for Rondolitto, because the air is already electrically charged enough. But you just try adding "litto" to the end of his ZCT program- a tongue twister.

But if a partnership of some sort or some kind is what this is- I couldn't be happier for the two. Because I just DO NOT know, and I am not going to rush to judgment.

But I will say if, and ONLY IF, no matter how you cut it- it turns out to be buying the rights to a program already in development and just changing the name- if this is what the CC community has become- then you are a hop,skip and a jump from seeing rights to chess programs under development being bought and sold on ebay. And you just thought you had problems with the Ippos.

But there is something I am missing here. I am still going to keep a positive attitude about this deal until I am convinced otherwise. I mean I don't even want to think in that direction. That is a hell of a can of worms that needs the top kept on it.

gs

So you're cheesed that Zach "bought" himself a championship trophy while his competitors toil(ed) away in virtual anonymity. I understand your feelings perfectly. It's called envy. It's similar to envying people who've become rich by inheritance rather than "honest toil". This feeling is a common enough mental disease which one wouldn't mind you trying to spread so much if you weren't also infected with "incurable discursive inaniloquence".

Jesus, dear God in heaven. You have no clue for what reason I do anything. You don't understand anything about me- by the way if you quote a disease and don't have the knowledge to spell it right- they sell dictionaries. It will probably have WEBSTERS on the front, in case you have never seen one. By the way, it made me think about your "Optical Rectitus". You really ought to see a specialist. It's nearly out of control now- you got every symptom. A painful way to go- but it's probably your time.

[geots]

I guess Microsoft should be condemned for buying the rights to QDos too?

If you been hanging around Hull, see a doctor. It may be early enough to help you. Kill 2 with 1 and get a brain scan. You do have one- right? I gotta go. I will be back in a day or 2. Handle the light shit- don't strain yourself. Very important if you been hanging around Hull much.

[Zach Wegner]

What a stupid thread.

Just for the record, I did not buy the rights to Zappa.

[mhull]

So you're cheesed that Zach "bought" himself a championship trophy while his competitors toil(ed) away in virtual anonymity. I understand your feelings perfectly. It's called envy. It's similar to envying people who've become rich by inheritance rather than "honest toil". This feeling is a common enough mental disease which one wouldn't mind you trying to spread so much if you weren't also infected with "incurable discursive inaniloquence".

Jesus, dear God in heaven [...] if you quote a disease and don't have the knowledge to spell it right- they sell dictionaries. It will probably have WEBSTERS on the front, in case you have never seen one.

Take pains to never swear, neither oppugn in ignorance.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/inaniloquent

[bob]

What a stupid thread.

Just for the record, I did not buy the rights to Zappa.

Remember, when you come HERE, you visit an alternate universe in an episode of "Fringe"... We still fly in dirigibles here, not jet aircraft. Etc...

[mhull]

What a stupid thread.

Just for the record, I did not buy the rights to Zappa.

Remember, when you come HERE, you visit an alternate universe in an episode of "Fringe"... We still fly in dirigibles here, not jet aircraft. Etc...

LOL!

[bob]

What a stupid thread.

Just for the record, I did not buy the rights to Zappa.

Remember, when you come HERE, you visit an alternate universe in an episode of "Fringe"... We still fly in dirigibles here, not jet aircraft. Etc...

LOL!

Actually a few episodes back, I saw Leonard Nimoy's character mention that Zach had bought the rights to use shazam (what Zappa is called in the alternate universe) for two round-trip dirigible tickets to Pakistan. Everybody else on the planet was given FOUR round-trip tickets there.

[bhlangonijr]

Maybe it was because I was looking for logos and loading chess engines that I should have done a year ago, but I thought about a program and wondered why it had won a championship, but I couldn't remember its name. And had heard no one else on any forum talking about it. So the best I can tell you is the more I thought about it, the more I wanted to take a look at it.

It just hit me and I remembered when we were discussing on RF last week the state of computer chess in general, and Rybka in particular, Zach made the comment that he had not seen a trophy yet. I'm thinking what trophy, and he goes on and explains to whoever asked- about his program that moved to champion of some tourney- after Rybka was moved aside.

I could not remember the name, and I asked Graham. So he tells me the name is Rondo. Wonderful. I have been out of the testing loop for close to 2 years, so what the hell do I know. I asked him if Zach changed the name of ZCT (Zach's Chess Test) to Rondo. Nope.

I wanted a copy to test, and that was when he told me they did not test private versions any longer, and he had not even seen a copy. I tell him I heard the name once and couldn't remember it- so how do I miss all the excitement and why I'm the only person who hasn't been aware of it setting the chess community on fire. I'm sorta stunned- it is obvious he has plenty of knowledge in these areas, but he didn't exactly have to worry about anyone RE ZCT to learn his secrets.

And unless this program had been a well hidden secret for a good while- his speed to the top made Vas look like a turtle with arthritis. So Graham said he didn't exactly start from scratch. If you know Graham, prying info out of him is like pulling teeth. So I asked him exactly where did he start.

So I am told that Rondo is sort of like, whatever the hell "sort of like" is- anyway, he tells me that it is sort of "Zappa under development with the name changed to Rondo." Of course- now being just a little curious- I asked him what the hell Zach had to do with Zappa.

You believe he told me they had something in common- both names start with the letter "Z". Just a joke- I couldn't resist it. Seriously, he told me that Zach bought the rights- bought as in paid money??- to the program that is "sort of Zappa" and "sort of" evidently already pretty close to an area that wasn't light years from a championship when he bought the rights to it. Now I know all Graham knew- which isn't much.

Look, the CC community has problems- none the least of which is how the hell you win without putting your program and yourself in danger from more than enough people with more than enough ability to RE it, and find out whatever they are looking for. Maybe it doesn't hurt as much if you don't have the time invested like all the guys I know that do.

Look, I'm not throwing shots around at anyone. And I don't have a problem with Zach. And if what is actually going on is a sort of partnership between Cozzie and Zach, ok- maybe Zach just got lucky and got in when most of the work had already be done. A "sort of" deal like Larry and Dailey have going.

But when he was talking to whoever it was I don't remember, he did say that he was supposed to get a trophy, but he hadn't seen it yet. It was sort of "I this" and "me that"- I didn't hear any "me and Cozzie". I won't make a joke here and say Rondo is short for Rondolitto, because the air is already electrically charged enough. But you just try adding "litto" to the end of his ZCT program- a tongue twister.

But if a partnership of some sort or some kind is what this is- I couldn't be happier for the two. Because I just DO NOT know, and I am not going to rush to judgment.

But I will say if, and ONLY IF, no matter how you cut it- it turns out to be buying the rights to a program already in development and just changing the name- if this is what the CC community has become- then you are a hop,skip and a jump from seeing rights to chess programs under development being bought and sold on ebay. And you just thought you had problems with the Ippos.

But there is something I am missing here. I am still going to keep a positive attitude about this deal until I am convinced otherwise. I mean I don't even want to think in that direction. That is a hell of a can of worms that needs the top kept on it.

gs

Some hints before posting:

1) Research and think about the subject before "brainfarting" about it;
2) Shorten your message. You could just have written something like "I have a wild guess Rondo is a Robbo clone. ". That would be enough to express everything what you actually posted;
3) Don't smoke anything that can harm your brains;


I hope you are in a good mood.

Regards,