hgm wrote:I guess this is a matter of taste. I always have great fun playing micro-Max against engines 400 or 500 Elo stronger. Usually it loses, of course. But sometimes micro-Max wins, and the satisfaction from seeing a no-knowledge 100-line code beat a serious engine surpasses anything even 1000 wins with Houdini could give me. (If I had been its author, that is. Having to derive your kicks from seeing an engine win that you only bought or even downloaded for free is just pathetic...) The greater the achievement, the higher the reward. What point is there in beating opponents that are weaker?
Enjoying statistical flukes is a bit pathetic.
And a book definition of sweet lemons...
hgm wrote:I guess this is a matter of taste. I always have great fun playing micro-Max against engines 400 or 500 Elo stronger. Usually it loses, of course. But sometimes micro-Max wins, and the satisfaction from seeing a no-knowledge 100-line code beat a serious engine surpasses anything even 1000 wins with Houdini could give me. (If I had been its author, that is. Having to derive your kicks from seeing an engine win that you only bought or even downloaded for free is just pathetic...) The greater the achievement, the higher the reward. What point is there in beating opponents that are weaker?
Enjoying statistical flukes is a bit pathetic.
And a book definition of sweet lemons...
No, it is completely natural within many sporting contexts. In a similar vein, I saw a joke engine I wrote as a pure shell script defeat a fully functional (AFAICT) human brain. It was far more gratifying to watch than a strong engine's triumph.
Milos wrote:Enjoying statistical flukes is a bit pathetic.
And a book definition of sweet lemons...
Well, like I said, it is a matter of taste.
But at least they are _my_ flukes. I can be proud to have designed a 100-line summary of Chess that is good enough to beat a strong opponent when he has a bad day.
You think that is pathetic, and are swelling with pride that you knew how to download a strong engine. To each his own, as they say...
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hgm wrote:But at least they are _my_ flukes. I can be proud to have designed a 100-line summary of Chess that is good enough to beat a strong opponent when he has a bad day.
"A monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare."
I don't play in engine room so don't know all the fuss, mostly it seems that it is about bragging rites on who has the best Hardware (ie the most money).You see the same effect with boy racers and their modified cars, they say that they are compensating for something that is missing.
Engines room from playchess is the top of the top place on all our blue Earth where we can find computer versus computer chess combats second by second. Engines room from playchess has a long history. I started playing there on 8/8/2002 with my nickname as “Father” as a human being. Then all the users there have had the chance of seen beautiful “Chess Queens…” The era of Gold with “Hydra,” running with all the super beautiful exponents as the Fritz, Shredder,Junior,Tiger, then we could see the meteoric of Rybka, and the wonderful software as Crafty, Stockfish,Naum, Comp Quark, Hiarcs!!, Zappa, and many others super software… for me all of them without any exception are really beautiful… Of course there are many “Elos hunters”, but this is not bad itself… because there are other kind of strong workers, as all the warriors that has written super books, as Auryn, after a long and heavy deal…I love my Fritz, finally in normal chess all the top 500 software at least could eat my body as a Baracoa…
My dream: To see 500 or more chess computers into engines room from playchess and 30 humans being with tittle FMs, IMSs, and GMs, . This is the place for testing all the software and the pace for humans that really want to be better playing computers for play there…. I would to see to Smallvill there, Mister Nakamura playing computers!!... and remember that is very important for the authors and testers, and of course the Masters, don’t pay attention to the elo or rating itself… just pay attention to the test itself… look: to eat caviar in breakfast, lunch and dinner is not nice…. If all the food has only Houdini, Rybkas, Fritz, Zappas, etc., the flavors disappear…
Now, engines room is not easy for human beings warriors…. It is as a picnic and swimming with piranhas, but is really interest… Engines room of course has had some times weaknesses, but the way has been really democratic… there don’t exist a rule or system that protects the elites as ICC, because, all the humans that have the power for taking elo in games against the supermonster are welcome… I have been an example, close to 9 years visiting the engine room as a simple amateur… and Hydra team got me the chance for playing in 60+15 against the super monster!!! This was beautiful… beautiful that the bobby players, playing just for fun, had been welcome ever. Thanks to all, with all my love, sincerely thanks!!!
And for two persons a sincerely thanks: Mister Harvey and Richard .!! They are a really Gentlemen.!!!
Finally a simple game: some minutes ago… against the Miss Universe 2011. Houdini 1.5:
The sentence has not been eraser yet: “I am thinking chess is in a coin. Human beings forever playing in one face. Now I am playing in the other face:"antithesis(antichess)". Computers are as a fortress where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door. Forget the front.”
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I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
"Podemos caracterizar la dialéctica como la teoría que acepta:
1) El cambio: a diferencia de otros modos de entender las cosas que identifican el ser con lo permanente, la concepción dialéctica concibe al movimiento como una de las categorías fundamentales del ser, la realidad está sometida al devenir y la historia, por lo que quien no sea capaz de captar un objeto en términos de su construcción histórica, de su formarse a través del tiempo, no comprenderá bien dicho objeto.
2) La contradicción: el cambio tiene su origen en la existencia de contradicciones en el seno mismo de las cosas; la realidad es el ámbito en donde se da el conflicto, el enfrentamiento, y ello tanto en la Naturaleza como en el mundo humano o historia propiamente dicha. Esta idea, traducida en términos de teoría política, implica comprender cómo las distintas construcciones sociales son consecuencia del conflicto entre clases sociales antagónicas.
3) Racionalidad del cambio: el cambio no es un movimiento caótico, desordenado, sino que sigue una ley, una racionalidad; hay un orden racional en el desenvolvimiento de la realidad. El esquema más abstracto de todo cambio es el de tesis, antítesis y síntesis:
tesis: o momento de afirmación de una realidad;
antítesis: o momento de negación de la realidad anterior;
síntesis: o momento de integración de las dos realidades contradictorias anteriores; esta síntesis es, a su vez, una tesis nueva que da lugar a otra antítesis, la cual da lugar a una síntesis nueva, etc."
Then the antichess is not the end... after it, will be running the kamikasi stile...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
