PawnStormZ wrote:[D]4k3/1r2b3/1pr2pR1/2p2P1p/P1N5/1P3K1P/8/6R1 w - -
In this position all the engines I tried give 23. Rh6 with a big winning score.
Once they are shown Kramnik's move 23. Ne5 they all like it and give it a bigger score; almost immediately! Then if you step back a move they still like it.
I wonder why they can see it better almost instantly after making the move, but when looking at it before, usually as the 2nd choice, the moves that they see after it do not look as good as the moves that they see after playing it.
4k3/1r2b3/1pr2pR1/2p2P1p/P1N5/1P3K1P/8/6R1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by IvanHoe T0.5.1 w32 MODE_ANALYSIS:
IvanHoe Plays 23.Ne5! (it sees the Kamnik move!)
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rg7 7.Rxg7 Bxd6 8.Nxh5 Kf8 9.Rg6 Be5 10.Nxf6 Bxf6 11.Rxf6+ Kg7 12.Re6 Kf7 13.Kf4 Kg7 14.h4 Rh8 15.Rxb6 Rxh4+ 16.Ke5
+- (2.28 ++) Depth: 16 00:00:01 1771kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rg7 7.Rxg7 Bxd6 8.Nxh5 Kf8 9.Rg6 Be5 10.Nxf6 Bxf6 11.Rxf6+ Kg7 12.Re6 Kf7 13.Kf4 Kg7 14.h4 Rh8 15.Rxb6 Rxh4+ 16.Ke5
+- (2.36 ++) Depth: 16 00:00:01 2128kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Rxf7 Kxf7 10.Rh8 bxa4 11.Rh7+ Ke8 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.bxa4 Rb3+ 14.Ke2 c4 15.Rd7+ Kc8 16.h4 Ra3 17.Rf7
+- (2.42) Depth: 16 00:00:01 2396kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Rxf7 Kxf7 10.Rh8 bxa4 11.Rh7+ Ke8 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.bxa4 Rb3+ 14.Ke2 c4 15.Rd7+ Kc8 16.h4 Ra3 17.Rf7
+- (2.42) Depth: 16 00:00:01 2397kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Rxf7 Kxf7 10.Rh8 bxa4 11.Rh7+ Ke8 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.bxa4 Rb3+ 14.Ke2 c4 15.Rd7+ Kc8 16.h4 Ra3 17.Rf7 Bh6 18.Ng4 Bf4 19.Ra7
+- (2.34 --) Depth: 17 00:00:02 3845kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Rxf7 Kxf7 10.Rh8 bxa4 11.Rh7+ Ke8 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.bxa4 Rb3+ 14.Ke2 c4 15.Rd7+ Kc8 16.h4 Ra3 17.Rf7 Bh6 18.Ng4 Bf4 19.Ra7
+- (2.50 ++) Depth: 17 00:00:02 4362kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Re6+ Kd8 10.Nf6 bxa4 11.bxa4 Kc7 12.Nd5+ Kd7 13.Ke4 Rb3 14.a5 Rxh3 15.Nf6+ Kc7 16.a6 Ra3 17.Nd5+ Kd7 18.Rgg6 Ra4+ 19.Ke5 Bg7+ 20.f6
+- (2.58) Depth: 17 00:00:03 5647kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Re6+ Kd8 10.Nf6 bxa4 11.bxa4 Kc7 12.Nd5+ Kd7 13.Ke4 Rb3 14.a5 Rxh3 15.Nf6+ Kc7 16.a6 Ra3 17.Nd5+ Kd7 18.Rgg6 Ra4+ 19.Ke5 Bg7+ 20.f6
+- (2.58) Depth: 17 00:00:03 5647kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Re6+ Kd8 10.Nf6 bxa4 11.bxa4 Kc7 12.Nd5+ Kd7 13.Ke4 Rb3 14.a5 Rxh3 15.Nf6+ Kc7 16.a6 Ra3 17.Nd5+ Kd7 18.Rb6 Kc8 19.Rb7 Ra4+ 20.Ke5
+- (2.50 --) Depth: 18 00:00:03 6711kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Rh7 7.Rxf6 Rf7 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Re6+ Kd8 10.Nf6 bxa4 11.bxa4 Kc7 12.Nd5+ Kd7 13.Ke4 Rb3 14.a5 Rxh3 15.Nf6+ Kc7 16.a6 Ra3 17.Nd5+ Kd7 18.Rb6 Kc8 19.Rb7 Ra4+ 20.Ke5
+- (2.42 --) Depth: 18 00:00:04 7335kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.h4 Rd4+ 14.Ke5 Rxh4 15.Rxb5 Ka6 16.Rb8 Bd6+ 17.Kxd6 Rxf6+ 18.Ke5
+- (2.46) Depth: 18 00:00:04 8137kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.h4 Rd4+ 14.Ke5 Rxh4 15.Rxb5 Ka6 16.Rb8 Bd6+ 17.Kxd6 Rxf6+ 18.Ke5
+- (2.46) Depth: 18 00:00:04 8137kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.h4 Rd4+ 14.Ke5 Rxh4 15.Rxb5 Ka6 16.Rb8 Bd6+ 17.Kxd6 Rxf6+ 18.Ke5
+- (2.54 ++) Depth: 19 00:00:05 10270kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.h4 Rd4+ 14.Ke5 Rxh4 15.Rxb5 Ka6 16.Rb8 Bd6+ 17.Kxd6 Rxf6+ 18.Ke5
+- (2.62 ++) Depth: 19 00:00:06 12092kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Ke4 Rf2 23.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.59) Depth: 19 00:00:06 12950kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Ke4 Rf2 23.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.59) Depth: 19 00:00:07 13114kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Ke4 Rf2 23.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.59) Depth: 20 00:00:08 16903kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Ke4 Rf2 23.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.59) Depth: 20 00:00:09 17165kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Ke4 Rf2 23.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.59) Depth: 21 00:00:12 23392kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Ke4 Rf2 23.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.59) Depth: 21 00:00:12 23901kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Rg7 Rf3+ 23.Ke4 Rh3 24.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.67 ++) Depth: 22 00:00:19 38703kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 bxa4 10.bxa4 Kc7 11.Nd5+ Kd7 12.Ke4 Rb1 13.a5 Re1+ 14.Ne3 c4 15.Kd4 c3 16.a6 c2 17.Nxc2 Bc5+ 18.Kd3 Rf1 19.Re5 R7xf5 20.Rxf5 Rxf5 21.h4 Kc6 22.Rg7 Rf3+ 23.Ke4 Rh3 24.Rg6+ Kb5
+- (2.75 ++) Depth: 22 00:00:26 50540kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh2 19.Rg6 Rg2+ 20.Kf3
+- (2.75) Depth: 22 00:00:28 54488kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh2 19.Rg6 Rg2+ 20.Kf3
+- (2.75) Depth: 22 00:00:29 55940kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh1 19.Rg6 Rg1+ 20.Kh5 Rh1+ 21.Kg5 Rg1+ 22.Kf6
+- (2.83 ++) Depth: 23 00:00:44 84853kN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh1 19.Rg6 Rg1+ 20.Kf4 Rf1+ 21.Kg5 Rg1+ 22.Kf6
+- (2.67 --) Depth: 23 00:00:59 118mN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh1 19.Rg6 Rg1+ 20.Kf4 Rf1+ 21.Kg5 Rg1+ 22.Kf6
+- (2.55 --) Depth: 23 00:01:07 135mN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh1 19.Rg6 Rg1+ 20.Kf4 Rf1+ 21.Kg5 Rg1+ 22.Kf6
+- (2.91 ++) Depth: 23 00:01:22 165mN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh1 19.Rg6 Rg1+ 20.Kf4 Rf1+ 21.Kg5 Rg1+ 22.Kf6
+- (3.18 ++) Depth: 23 00:01:55 230mN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Nf4 Ke7 7.Re6+ Kd8 8.Nxh5 b5 9.Nxf6 Kc7 10.a5 Rd8 11.Ke4 Kb7 12.Rb6+ Ka7 13.Ng4 Rh7 14.Ne5 Rh4+ 15.Kf3 Re8 16.Nc6+ Ka8 17.Rxb5 Rxh3+ 18.Kg4 Rh1 19.Rg6
+- (3.58 ++) Depth: 23 00:02:55 351mN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Rh8 b5 7.axb5 Rxb5 8.Re6+ Kd8 9.Nxf8 Rxb3+ 10.Re3 Rxe3+ 11.Kxe3 Re7+ 12.Ne6+ Kd7 13.Rf8 Kd6 14.Rxf6 Ke5 15.Rf8 c4 16.Nf4 Rg7 17.Ng6+ Kd5 18.Rd8+ Kc5 19.Rc8+ Kb4 20.Rh8 c3 21.Rxh5 Kb3 22.Rg5 c2 23.Rg1 Rf7
+- (3.62) Depth: 23 00:03:28 416mN
1.Ne5 Rc8 2.Rg8+ Bf8 3.Ng6 Rf7 4.Rd1 Ra8 5.Rd6 Rb8 6.Rh8 b5 7.axb5 Rxb5 8.Re6+ Kd8 9.Nxf8 Rxb3+ 10.Re3 Rxe3+ 11.Kxe3 Re7+ 12.Ne6+ Kd7 13.Rf8 Kd6 14.Rxf6 Ke5 15.Rf8 c4 16.Nf4 Rg7 17.Ng6+ Kd5 18.Rd8+ Kc5 19.Rc8+ Kb4 20.Rh8 c3 21.Rxh5 Kb3 22.Rg5 c2 23.Rg1 Rf7
+- (3.62) Depth: 23 00:03:28 416mN
(07.11.2010)