RE chessbase light

[Albert Silver]

What made you think they were giving away a fully functional DB program for free?

The old CBLight (version 6 or something like that) of several years ago did have full functionality, only the size of the database was limited to 8000 games.

Aha. So you were assuming this was the same as the version from the 90s. Gotcha.

I was assuming I could at least try all features. I can't.

I think they changed it to be like Acrobat Reader frankly. I never used it for anything except that anyhow, so it is a non-issue for me. You can always play around with it, and upgrade to premium if you like it. Personally, I thought it is a good alternative for someone who is not willing (or able) to get the full monty. I think it supports access to the online DB, which is a big CB feature, which also means access to it while on Playchess.

I can't determine if I like it if I can't do anything with it!

Peter

You complained you could not enter games create a new database, now you are complaining you can't do *anything* with it? Why would the only criteria for you to determine if you like it be creating a new database?

If so, I think you can safely assume you will like it, since I can assure you it creates new databases.

[Nimzovik]

Your reference to Java, Peter, does indeed underscore the point.

[Nimzovik]

Was not that the case tho Kurt? Perhaps I do not recall accurately, however I thought that the old CB light allowed something like 98 % percent of the features however it was limited to a small database. It is somewhat difficult to assess a program and then not be able to test the features. Perhaps chess base would be better served if it had a time limited trial mechanism ...say for 2 weeks.

Hi Alex
I think you are wrong. Please have a look at
http://www.chessbase.de/support/support.asp?pid=647
I had CBLight2007 but could not do much useful things with it and therefore had to buy an activation key to the premium version.
Kurt

Thanks for your reply Kurt. Unfortunately my German is not that good. That aside, I do register your point. I wonder tho... I must be getting really old. I think I was referring to chessbase light well before 2007 which is what appears to be the date of the article you referenced if I perceive correctly.

[Nimzovik]

Let me clarify Kurt. I am referring to the 8,000 game limit. It was my assertion that the CB light did indeed allow most features. I am somewhat confuzzled. I think there was a miscommunique somewhere..... Oh well. I for one am somewhat -fatigued on this issue. Once again thanks for your attention in this matter.

[Milos]

Why you are arguing about crappy shitty and completely useless program which nobody likes except one CB supporter and advertiser?

Never used and will never use garbage CB products. End of story.

[alpha123]

What made you think they were giving away a fully functional DB program for free?

The old CBLight (version 6 or something like that) of several years ago did have full functionality, only the size of the database was limited to 8000 games.

Aha. So you were assuming this was the same as the version from the 90s. Gotcha.

I was assuming I could at least try all features. I can't.

I think they changed it to be like Acrobat Reader frankly. I never used it for anything except that anyhow, so it is a non-issue for me. You can always play around with it, and upgrade to premium if you like it. Personally, I thought it is a good alternative for someone who is not willing (or able) to get the full monty. I think it supports access to the online DB, which is a big CB feature, which also means access to it while on Playchess.

I can't determine if I like it if I can't do anything with it!

Peter

You complained you could not enter games create a new database, now you are complaining you can't do *anything* with it? Why would the only criteria for you to determine if you like it be creating a new database?

If so, I think you can safely assume you will like it, since I can assure you it creates new databases.

Sigh. You need to pay attention. I _never_ complained I could not create a new database. Look through the thread. I went straight to complaining about not being able to do anything.

Your reference to Java, Peter, does indeed underscore the point.

That's one of the reasons I like Java. I run across applets and applications (and plugins for applications) from 2002ish occasionally, and it's nice to be able to run them.

Another good example is Python. Python 2.7 is backwards compatible pretty far back. They did recently create Python 3, a huge change, to fix some problems in Python 2. But Python 2 is still supported (at least for now). At the very least CB could issue a patch letting older ChessBases run new (ChessBase format) engines.

Peter

[Albert Silver]

Scid plus Houdini and Stockfish is good enough.

You are right, SCID is a great program. I am running SCID 4.2.2 under
Linux Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and are using the following engines for analyses
purposes

- Deep Shredder 12 Linux
- Fruit 051103 Linux
- Spike 1.2 Linux
- Stockfish 1.9.1 Linux
- Toga II 1.2 Linux

and this is good enough for me. SCID is very fast and you can do (almost) all things that can ChessBase do.
Kurt

Each program has its advantages, no question. I have little experience with Aquarium, but Chess Assistant, in which I am an expert (obviously) has singularly strong tree manipulation which is ideal for ultra deep opening analysis. Of course, these tools also need understanding and study to implement in a productive manner otherwise they are no better than footnotes. A neat little tool it had was to find all the known transpositions, which openings and lines, and their number. Probably of limited use, it is hard to find, but still neat. Chessbase's biggest strength is its looks (not to be underestimated), and on a personal level: the multimedia support. The video commented games and analysis are truly fantastic, and there is nothing like seeing Korchnoi, Kramnik, or others, telling you about a game, while watching it play over on the board, analysis and all. Openings and endgame instruction like this is also far less boring. No super tree tools though, but you can't get it all. One interesting thing, which may exist in CB Light (you'd have to tell me as I wouldn't know) is that in the Playchess client, you can see the opening stats from the giant online DB, while watching broadcast games. I know one can do this from the CB client, but not sure if this is true of CB Light as well.

[Nimzovik]

Why you are arguing about crappy shitty and completely useless program which nobody likes except one CB supporter and advertiser?

Never used and will never use garbage CB products. End of story.[/quote



I see. It is nice to see the Assertiveness Training classes are paying dividends.

[Graham Banks]

Why you are arguing about crappy shitty and completely useless program which nobody likes except one CB supporter and advertiser?

Never used and will never use garbage CB products. End of story.

Good grief man. Take a chill pill and try to smile.

[Albert Silver]

Sigh. You need to pay attention. I _never_ complained I could not create a new database. Look through the thread. I went straight to complaining about not being able to do anything.

Peter

Such as?