is rybka worth the money

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Zagalo
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Re: is rybka worth the money

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Kurt Utzinger wrote: According to Ingo Bauer's list, Deep Rybka 4 has a very small difference of
6 ELO point more to Rybka 3 mp, see the following URL
http://www.inwoba.de/bayeselo.html
Kurt
You are comparing Rybka 4 Single Core with Rybka 3 Dual Core !

According to this list http://www.inwoba.de/bayeselo.html

Its Rybka 4 Single Core Rating Only they have !!
IPON - BayesElo 0056 result:

List of best single engines, one engine per Author (basically all one may need):

Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws

1 Deep Rybka 4 2949
2 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 2884

Full list - including 2-core engines:

Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws

1 Deep Rybka 4 2949
A Rybka 3 mp 2T 2942
B Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 2T 2927
2 Rybka 3 mp 2897
3 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA 2884
C Naum 4.2 2T 2881
The engines with (2T) are using 2 threads, otherwise it is only 1 thread
So Rybka 4 single core is 2949 and Rybka 3 single core is 2897. Thats +52 elo difference

You can also see that Stockfish 1.7.1 JA Single Core is 2884. So Rybka 4 is +65 elo better
Jim Walker
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Re: is rybka worth the money

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Zagalo wrote:He has the right to do whatever he wants. He has the strongest commercial engine on earth. And Rybka Cluster is definitely stronger
He has the right to do what he wants. If people want to spend their money for a 25/50 point upgrade is up to them. I don't care either way. Chess in general and Rybka in particular are not very important in my life these days.
Jim
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fern
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Re: is rybka worth the money

Post by fern »

if you can win it, it is not worth your bucks.
If it is not worth your bucks, you are a chess genius
If you are so, what a HECK are you doing here, home of incapacitated players?

Scarcely winning chessmaster 2000 regards
Fern
S.Taylor
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Re: is rybka worth the money

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fern wrote:if you can win it, it is not worth your bucks.
If it is not worth your bucks, you are a chess genius
If you are so, what a HECK are you doing here, home of incapacitated players?

Scarcely winning chessmaster 2000 regards
Fern
If you can't win it, it IS worth your bucks?
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fern
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Re: is rybka worth the money

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Neither it is, because every top 50 engine can get my skin anyway, for free....

No bucks to expend on this policy regards
Fern
S.Taylor
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Re: is rybka worth the money

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fern wrote:Neither it is, because every top 50 engine can get my skin anyway, for free....

No bucks to expend on this policy regards
Fern
So, just as you might get a calculator because it can do work for you, so can a chess computer do work for you, and let you know if a sacrifice is sound, or if a move is good. [That is quite interesting to ME].
Dirt
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Re: is rybka worth the money

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Zagalo wrote:Engines are not bought for strength only, otherwise no one would've bought Shredder, Junior, Hiarcs, Naum..etc
Shredder was the strongest engine for quite some time. I doubt its sales have gone up since then.
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fern
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Re: is rybka worth the money

Post by fern »

Certainly with just playing them I get lot of fun and I Do learn something each time...sometimes.
Problem is I always learn the same thing and I always forget it.
I cannot convince myself that to learn chess seriously beyond what you learn without effort, with time, is worth the effort.
I think it is not and I save my mental powers to other endeavors.

So.... I can still be caught by a XV century opening trap regards
Fern
djbl

Re: is rybka worth the money

Post by djbl »

is rybka worth the money?

No
alpha123
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Re: is rybka worth the money

Post by alpha123 »

djbl wrote:is rybka worth the money?

No
I'd have to disagree. (And I don't even have R4 yet :P)

From what I've seen, it looks like it's packed with useful/interesting stuff. And hey, it might be the strongest engine in the world. (We'll have to see if Fire 1.3.1 catches it.)

BTW, I'm not a Rybka "fanboy" but I'm not really a "Robbohooligan" (to use I think it was Miguel Ballicora's term). I do however believe that the Ippos are NOT clones, but they certainly used some ideas from R3.

Peter