Strongest Toga?

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Volker Pittlik
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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Graham Banks wrote:...
Here is the link to Grapefruit 1.0:
http://www.computerchess.info/tdbb/phpB ... t=40#p1555

Cheers,
Graham.
Is the source code somewhere?

vp
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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Very hard to say which Toga is strongest, but personally I prefer Toga 1.4.1SE. Up to this point there was clear continuous improvement. After this point it's only mess with dozens of forks but without practically any improvement.

So personally I consider 1.4.1SE as a final version of Toga. If someone seriously continuous from here, I strongly suggest to change name to avoid confusion.
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Re: Strongest Toga?

Post by Michel »

So personally I consider 1.4.1SE as a final version of Toga. If someone seriously continuous from here, I strongly suggest to change name to avoid confusion.
I agree.

Unfortunately 1.4.1SE has a flawed MP implementation. Instead of YBW it uses completely independent search threads which share the hash table. This gives great nps but little improvement in playing strength.

As far as I know none of the many forks of Toga actually tried to fix Toga's MP implementation.
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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Volker Pittlik wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:...
Here is the link to Grapefruit 1.0:
http://www.computerchess.info/tdbb/phpB ... t=40#p1555

Cheers,
Graham.
Is the source code somewhere?

vp
Yes

http://alpha.uhasselt.be/Research/Algeb ... ore_ports/
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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Michel wrote:...
Yes
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David Dahlem
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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At the Toga Developers Discussion Board -

http://www.computerchess.info/tdbb/phpB ... 1a4e57947f

I see there are many "Merge" versions, the latest, Toga II Merge_b15_09, released yesterday. I would think the "latest" should be the "greatest", but with so many forks, who knows?
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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Too many version released is not the problem. Toga has an MP bug which causes it to crash almost every time when using 2-4 or more cores.....
It gives the Toga Team a huge headache at the moment, since they are unable to find out what is really wrong with it, but they are doing their best to try and fix it. Why do think there are so many versions released ?
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Re: Strongest Toga?

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Too many version released is not the problem. Toga has an MP bug which causes it to crash almost every time when using 2-4 or more cores.....
I thought 2 threads was ok (there was one book bug which I fixed).

I wonder if the hash table might be the problem. Last time I looked Toga did not lock or protect in any way the hash table while it is being accessed by multiple threads.

I would be quite afraid of that.
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Re: Strongest Toga?

Post by Damir »

Something is definetely wrong, what we can only guess...
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Re: Strongest Toga?

Post by kingliveson »

beachknight wrote:I am curious whether TogaIIv1.4.8SE_MPfixed.exe is 64 bit?
I suspect thaht it is 32 bit engine.

best,
Hi Harun,

It's a 32 bit version.