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Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:46 pm
by chrisw
Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:13 pm
by Terry McCracken
Would you care to show where Vas stated this? Did he e-mail you?
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:17 pm
by chrisw
Terry McCracken wrote:Would you care to show where Vas stated this? Did he e-mail you?
Yes.
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:24 pm
by Steve B
chrisw wrote:Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Excellent
well done Chris
Best Regards
Steve
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:36 pm
by kranium
Steve B wrote:chrisw wrote:Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Excellent
well done Chris
Best Regards
Steve
Chris, not that I don't trust you or the moderators in any way, but why a private conversation behind the scenes?
are you intending to post the emails, or interpret them or what?
i would certainly prefer that he speak for himself (publicly),
but ok, i won't complain...his involvement in any way is a good thing.
I appreciate your effort...
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:42 pm
by Uri Blass
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:48 pm
by chrisw
kranium wrote:Steve B wrote:chrisw wrote:Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Excellent
well done Chris
Best Regards
Steve
Chris, not that I don't trust you or the moderators in any way, but why a private conversation behind the scenes?
are you intending to post the emails, or interpret them or what?
i would certainly prefer that he speak for himself (publicly),
but ok, i won't complain...his involvement in any way is a good thing.
I appreciate your effort...
Que?! I have private conversations with many people, do you object?!
I simply asked Vas to say what he thought. His response is as written.
If a concrete concern/questions list is produced, I'll send it on to him. He will choose where and how to answer it himself. He may suggest the questions be put on the Rybkaforum. He may answer via email for reposting onto CCC. He may do whatever. Up to him.
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:04 pm
by kranium
chrisw wrote:kranium wrote:Steve B wrote:chrisw wrote:Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Excellent
well done Chris
Best Regards
Steve
Chris, not that I don't trust you or the moderators in any way, but why a private conversation behind the scenes?
are you intending to post the emails, or interpret them or what?
i would certainly prefer that he speak for himself (publicly),
but ok, i won't complain...his involvement in any way is a good thing.
I appreciate your effort...
Que?! I have private conversations with many people, do you object?!
I simply asked Vas to say what he thought. His response is as written.
If a concrete concern/questions list is produced, I'll send it on to him. He will choose where and how to answer it himself. He may suggest the questions be put on the Rybkaforum. He may answer via email for reposting onto CCC. He may do whatever. Up to him.
you mentioned that you notified him (i assume via email) soon after these threads began.
you have steadfastly, rigorously (and sometimes bombastically as you stated yourself) argued in his favor from the start.
i'm suggesting you are not completely unbiased, as you have made your position clear...and i don't understand why you (or anyone) needs to serve as a communication conduit to or for Vas.
for ex:
how will 'you' determine if a concern/questions list is 'concrete'...
if you believe it's not, will you not send it?
why don't you simply create an account for him, so he can reply personally...
this whole idea reminds me of mediums trying to contact Harry Houdini after he died...
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:14 pm
by gerold
chrisw wrote:Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Thanks for your efforts regarding Rybka. I think Rybka is clean.
Vas does not really have to say anything or show anyone his code.
Best to you,
Gerold.
Re: Rybka questions and answers
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:31 pm
by kranium
gerold wrote:chrisw wrote:Vas has this to say, together with a proposal.
Rybka is and was always completely original. He is aware there are rumours about Fruit for a long time but never really understood where they are coming from. He is more than happy to try and address concrete questions or curious similarities with Fruit.
So, may I suggest you use this thread to put together a concrete and formal concern list to send to Vas. He can answer here, or here by email or on Rybkaforum or wherever.
Basically, prepare a list of concerns/question which have some suitable evidential backing, and append the evidence/data. We'll email it to him.
Christophe/Zach - do you want to put together a (small) team to do this?
Thanks for your efforts regarding Rybka. I think Rybka is clean.
Vas does not really have to say anything or show anyone his code.
Best to you,
Gerold.
Hi Gerold,
i agree, he should not and does not have to show anyone his code.
he seems interested in answering the questions, though...
people are simply requesting an explanation as to why hundreds of (identical/equivilent) lines of code appear in both fruit 2.1 and strelka 2.0.,
etc.
i think that's a fair question...