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Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:14 pm
by GS
Thomas Lagershausen wrote:Hi Chris,
can you tell my why Pro Deo on my pc didn´t see the right move?
Pro Deo 1.5 (192 MB hash Arena-GUI 1.99b3):
1 00:00 4 4.000 +1,05 gh5:
2 00:00 874 874.000 +0,46 gh5: Kh6 f4 Kh5:
3 00:00 2.515 2.515.000 +0,46 gh5: Kh6 f4 Kh5:
4 00:00 6.356 6.356.000 +0,66 gh5: Kh6 f4 Kh5: Kd4
5 00:00 14.698 14.698.000 +0,53 gh5: Kh6 Dc4 Lb7 f4 Kh5:
5 00:00 20.338 20.338.000 +0,55 De1 Tde8 gh5: Lf5
6 00:00 39.520 39.520.000 +0,56 De1 Tg8 Dh4 Te5 gh5: Teg5 h6
6 00:00 61.039 61.039.000 +0,56 gh5:
6 00:00 69.911 69.911.000 +0,67 gh5: Kh6 Db2 Tf8 Dc2 Lb7 Dh2
7 00:00 146.463 146.463.000 +0,50 gh5: Kh6 Da5 Lb7 Dc3 Kh5: f4
7 00:00 146.515 146.515.000 +0,56 De1 Tg8 Dh4 Te5 gh5: Teg5 h6
8 00:00 272.096 272.096.000 +0,78 De1 Tf7 Dh4 Tdf8 Dh5:+ Kg7 Dg5+ Kh7 Dh4+ Kg6
8 00:00 540.253 540.253.000 +0,87 gh5: Lb7 Db2 Tf8 Dh2 Tf6 Kd4 Tef7 Dg3
9 00:00 1.191.513 1.191.513.000 +0,85 gh5: Lb7 Db2 Te5 f4 Th5: Df6 Td7 De6 Lc8
10 00:01 3.484.757 3.484.757 +0,89 gh5: Kh6 Db2 Tf8 Kd4 Tef7 Dc1+ Kh5: Dc6 La6 Dd6: Tf3:
11 00:03 8.676.178 2.892.059 +0,91 gh5: Kh6 Db2 Tf7 f4 Lg4 e5 Tb7 e6 Kh5: Df6 Tg8
12 00:15 40.728.654 2.715.243 +1,10 gh5: Lb7 Db2 Tf8 Da3 Tf6 Da7 Tef7 Kd2 Tf3: e5 de5:
13 00:52 140.325.421 2.698.565 +1,07 gh5: Kh6 Db2
14 03:19 533.961.896 2.683.225 +1,23 gh5: Lb7 Kd3
16 59:01 1.094.864.725 309.196 +1,33 gh5: Kh6 Dd4 Tf7 Db4
I didn´t see any tb-access under the arena-gui for ProDeo.
Regards
That's normal, ProDeo doesn't use tablebases neither does Arena ;-)
Guenther
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:48 pm
by jdart
It looks like a number of engines can select the move, but few are both finding it and returning a winning score.
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:44 pm
by Thomas Lagershausen
Thx Günther,
did that mean, that ProDeo can find the right move only under his own gui?
Or is the trick to use a cb-gui for ProDeo?
Regards
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:50 pm
by GS
Thomas Lagershausen wrote:Thx Günther,
did that mean, that ProDeo can find the right move only under his own gui?
Or is the trick to use a cb-gui for ProDeo?
Regards
This means that ProDeo probably never will find that move(in case
the position requires a TB search by the program), because a GUI
will only play TB positions _on board_ for the programs.
(Moreover ProDeo is not very famous for its endgame abilities at all)
Regards,
Guenther
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:59 pm
by George Tsavdaris
Thomas Lagershausen wrote:Thx Günther,
did that mean, that ProDeo can find the right move only under his own gui?
Or is the trick to use a cb-gui for ProDeo?
What is Pro Deo's own GUI?
Anyway my Pro Deo 1.5 does also NOT find it in Chessbase and in Chesspartner GUI....
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:13 pm
by GS
George Tsavdaris wrote:Thomas Lagershausen wrote:Thx Günther,
did that mean, that ProDeo can find the right move only under his own gui?
Or is the trick to use a cb-gui for ProDeo?
What is Pro Deo's own GUI?
LokaSoft/Chesspartner GUI with which it was sold before it became freeware.
Guenther
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:23 pm
by George Tsavdaris
GS wrote:George Tsavdaris wrote:Thomas Lagershausen wrote:Thx Günther,
did that mean, that ProDeo can find the right move only under his own gui?
Or is the trick to use a cb-gui for ProDeo?
What is Pro Deo's own GUI?
LokaSoft/Chesspartner GUI with which it was sold before it became freeware.
Oh, but did really Pro-Deo was sold for some time by Lokasoft?
I don't remember....
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:14 pm
by Thomas Lagershausen
Yes, it was sold under the name Rebel 12.
But now i am a little bit confussed about the best gui for ProDeo.
Should we use the REBEL-DOS gui to get the full strength of Ed Schröders child? I want to see this Qe1 by ProDeo, too.
Regards
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:45 pm
by George Tsavdaris
Thomas Lagershausen wrote:Yes, it was sold under the name Rebel 12.
Yes i'm aware of that, but Guenther said Pro Deo was sold with Lokasoft GUI.
Anyway i guess a rename(Rebel12 UCI->Pro Deo) is pointless to talk about whether ProDeo was sold by Lokasoft....
But now i am a little bit confussed about the best gui for ProDeo.
Should we use the REBEL-DOS gui to get the full strength of Ed Schröders child? I want to see this Qe1 by ProDeo, too.
Yes i want to see this move by Pro Deo too, but for the moment i can't. Arena,Chesspartner,Chessbase give no Qe1 for me.....
Perhaps Chris used some non-default settings. What can i say?
Re: Which engines find the winning Qe1! ?
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:32 am
by bob
jdart wrote:It looks like a number of engines can select the move, but few are both finding it and returning a winning score.
There is always a luck factor where engines will find the right move for the wrong reason. It doesn't mean a thing in such a case either, other than that the program had a bit of luck on its side, which they all will from time to time.