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Do they have the same hardware?

They have not announced the preparation/details publicly but I would expect the Junior camp to have killer hardware, which I suspect accounts for their WCCC wins more than book/engine strength. Look at the measly Dual Intel Core 2 Duo 5160 that the Fritz camp put together to face Kramnik. Compare that to the 32 cores some guy was using in the freestyle or the quad-cores you see in the engineroom every day?

nuff wrote:They have not announced the preparation/details publicly but I would expect the Junior camp to have killer hardware, which I suspect accounts for their WCCC wins more than book/engine strength. Look at the measly Dual Intel Core 2 Duo 5160 that the Fritz camp put together to face Kramnik. Compare that to the 32 cores some guy was using in the freestyle or the quad-cores you see in the engineroom every day?

I believe that you are wrong and hardware was not the main factor for the fact that Junior won WCCC often.

They has better hardware than most amateurs but I believe that had equal hardware to other professional programs.

Uri

Uri Blass wrote:I believe that you are wrong and hardware was not the main factor for the fact that Junior won WCCC often.

They has better hardware than most amateurs but I believe that had equal hardware to other professional programs.

Uri

Then how come Junior/Deep Junior is unable to reproduce the same form in the rating lists, engineroom or even freestyle events? If you have Deep Junior at home run an engine tournament and tell us the result. You would have expected the Junior team to at least put a good showing like Rybka through Vas in the engineroom.

nuff wrote:They have not announced the preparation/details publicly but I would expect the Junior camp to have killer hardware, which I suspect accounts for their WCCC wins more than book/engine strength. Look at the measly Dual Intel Core 2 Duo 5160 that the Fritz camp put together to face Kramnik. Compare that to the 32 cores some guy was using in the freestyle or the quad-cores you see in the engineroom every day?

A Xeon 5160 is quad core, so it was an 8 core box. And they run at 3GHz. Not exactly "measly"

nuff wrote:

Uri Blass wrote:I believe that you are wrong and hardware was not the main factor for the fact that Junior won WCCC often.

They has better hardware than most amateurs but I believe that had equal hardware to other professional programs.

Uri

Then how come Junior/Deep Junior is unable to reproduce the same form in the rating lists, engineroom or even freestyle events? If you have Deep Junior at home run an engine tournament and tell us the result. You would have expected the Junior team to at least put a good showing like Rybka through Vas in the engineroom.

The reason may be that the Junior team has a better book for these events.

In case of wccc 2006 I guess that they were also lucky and earlier when they won the gap between them and the first place in rating list was smaller.

Uri

Spock wrote:

nuff wrote:They have not announced the preparation/details publicly but I would expect the Junior camp to have killer hardware, which I suspect accounts for their WCCC wins more than book/engine strength. Look at the measly Dual Intel Core 2 Duo 5160 that the Fritz camp put together to face Kramnik. Compare that to the 32 cores some guy was using in the freestyle or the quad-cores you see in the engineroom every day?

A Xeon 5160 is quad core, so it was an 8 core box. And they run at 3GHz. Not exactly "measly"

Hi Ray,

Agreed. I know what Amir is planning to use. I only hope that Fritz uses something similar so we get a real contest.

Harvey

emerson4301972 wrote:Do they have the same hardware?

According to the german ChessBase website chessbase.de, Fritz will have 8 cpus and Junior 16:

http://www.chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp?newsid=6677

"Ursprünglich sollten die beiden Programme auf gleich starken Rechnern spielen. Auf Initiative des Deep Junior-Teams werden die Programme aber nun auf dem für jedes Team bestmöglichen Rechner antreten. Deep Junior spielt auf einem 16-Prozessor-Rechner, Deep Fritz auf einem 8-Prozessor-Rechner."

That means, initially equal hardware was the plan, but following an initiative of the Deep Junior team they will now start with the best possible computer, each.

The rest of the comment puts emphasis on the fact that it is FIDE's first computer(only) match.

Mike S. wrote:

emerson4301972 wrote:Do they have the same hardware?

According to the german ChessBase website chessbase.de, Fritz will have 8 cpus and Junior 16:

http://www.chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp?newsid=6677

"Ursprünglich sollten die beiden Programme auf gleich starken Rechnern spielen. Auf Initiative des Deep Junior-Teams werden die Programme aber nun auf dem für jedes Team bestmöglichen Rechner antreten. Deep Junior spielt auf einem 16-Prozessor-Rechner, Deep Fritz auf einem 8-Prozessor-Rechner."

That means, initially equal hardware was the plan, but following an initiative of the Deep Junior team they will now start with the best possible computer, each.

The rest of the comment puts emphasis on the fact that it is FIDE's first computer(only) match.

Same article in English http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3905

Harvey Williamson wrote:

Mike S. wrote:

emerson4301972 wrote:Do they have the same hardware?

According to the german ChessBase website chessbase.de, Fritz will have 8 cpus and Junior 16:

http://www.chessbase.de/nachrichten.asp?newsid=6677

"Ursprünglich sollten die beiden Programme auf gleich starken Rechnern spielen. Auf Initiative des Deep Junior-Teams werden die Programme aber nun auf dem für jedes Team bestmöglichen Rechner antreten. Deep Junior spielt auf einem 16-Prozessor-Rechner, Deep Fritz auf einem 8-Prozessor-Rechner."

That means, initially equal hardware was the plan, but following an initiative of the Deep Junior team they will now start with the best possible computer, each.

The rest of the comment puts emphasis on the fact that it is FIDE's first computer(only) match.

Same article in English http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3905

The English article does not mention the hardware. I hate to say I told you so but Junior is always likely to have the stronger hardware. Even if Fritz lose the match the $40,000 they pick up and the fact that ChessBase sell both programs means its a win-win situation for ChessBase.