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Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:54 pm
by AGove
A new version of Deep Shredder 10 UCI, Shredder 10 UCI and Shredder Classic 2 is available. The current version number is now 10.1 and 2.1. You can check your Shredder version in the About box in the Help menu. Shredder is now fully Windows Vista compatible and all known problems have been fixed. This is a free update for all customers. To get the new version simply download Shredder again via the link in your order confirmation email or use the integrated automatic online update in Shredder. You might be asked to enter your license code again when installing the update.
http://www.shredderchess.com/chess-news ... -10_1.html
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:21 pm
by Nid Hogge
AGove wrote:A new version of Deep Shredder 10 UCI, Shredder 10 UCI and Shredder Classic 2 is available. The current version number is now 10.1 and 2.1. You can check your Shredder version in the About box in the Help menu. Shredder is now fully Windows Vista compatible and all known problems have been fixed. This is a free update for all customers. To get the new version simply download Shredder again via the link in your order confirmation email or use the integrated automatic online update in Shredder. You might be asked to enter your license code again when installing the update.
http://www.shredderchess.com/chess-news ... -10_1.html
No strength improvments?
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:58 pm
by mclane
what astonishes me the most is, why deep shredder10 is twice as expensive than zapchess, although with the new zanzibar update it is weaker.
why should somebody pay 2x the price (99.95 EURO/US$ versus 49 EURO for zapchess) of a software
(Deep shredder 10 64 bit 2 CPU ELO 2919) that is 109 ELO weaker (than Zapchess zanzibar 64bit 2 CPU ELO 3028) ????
i hope this question is no sakrileg !
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:37 am
by Tony Thomas
mclane wrote:what astonishes me the most is, why deep shredder10 is twice as expensive than zapchess, although with the new zanzibar update it is weaker.
why should somebody pay 2x the price (99.95 EURO/US$ versus 49 EURO for zapchess) of a software
(Deep shredder 10 64 bit 2 CPU ELO 2919) that is 109 ELO weaker (than Zapchess zanzibar 64bit 2 CPU ELO 3028) ????
i hope this question is no sakrileg !
The engine was released about a year ago and at the time, almost all the engines followed a similar scheme. Fritz, Hiarcs and Junior still follows the same Scheme as far as pricing goes. Price of Rybka is 78% higher for MP version, so why are you complaining only about Shredder. The update of Shredder is free for all who bought the shredder 10 version, this version deals mainly with compatibility issues, it would have been better if he had released a slightly stronger version.
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:26 am
by mclane
i wonder why stefan is not reducing the price of shredder, since it has now an enemy (Zapchess) beeing stronger and less expensive.
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:45 am
by Marc Lacrosse
mclane wrote:i wonder why stefan is not reducing the price of shredder, since it has now an enemy (Zapchess) beeing stronger and less expensive.
There is some "added value" with shredder : online 6-men TB access, original interface with powerful book-tuning options, and that strange triple-brain function among others.
Is it worth the price ? I don't know : sure the answer is a question of taste ...
Marc
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:37 am
by Sylwy
Triple-brain is a toy for little boys
Better are Oracle & Joker functions.Also a very strong support of this GUI for UCI protocol.
Regards,
Sylwy
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:26 pm
by IWB
mclane wrote:i wonder why stefan is not reducing the price of shredder, since it has now an enemy (Zapchess) beeing stronger and less expensive.
Zappa is for sure not an enemy! Maybe an competitor but not an enemy.
Ingo
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:40 pm
by Daniel Mehrmann
mclane wrote:i wonder why stefan is not reducing the price of shredder, since it has now an enemy (Zapchess) beeing stronger and less expensive.
Comparing Zap!Chess with Shredder 10 classic is just like compare Ferrari with VW Golf. Yes, the engines/top speed (playstrenght) might be equal or slightly better for Zap!Chess, but everything else like own GUI, triple-brain, 6-men access, endgame oracle, ..., are features only supported by Shredder.
I think the price is ok and acceptable.
Best,
Daniel
Re: Shredder 10.1 now released
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:02 pm
by Tony Thomas
Daniel Mehrmann wrote:mclane wrote:i wonder why stefan is not reducing the price of shredder, since it has now an enemy (Zapchess) beeing stronger and less expensive.
Comparing Zap!Chess with Shredder 10 classic is just like compare
Ferrari with VW Golf. Yes, the engines/top speed (playstrenght) might be equal or slightly better for Zap!Chess, but everything else like own GUI, triple-brain, 6-men access, endgame oracle, ..., are features only supported by Shredder.
I think the price is ok and acceptable.
Best,
Daniel
You got that analogy right, Zapchess being the Ferrari. Zapchess comes with an own GUI, how do you know that the GUI it comes with isnt its own? Did the GUI tell you NO? I dont know if Triple brain is a useful feature, I havent heard of any correspondence players recently stating that they use that feature. Zapchess also supports endgame tablebases, who needs 6 men tablebases, Zap will kick Shredders doody even before it get that far.
I also think that the price is OK, because when Zapchess was first released the single CPU version wasnt close enough in strength with single CPU shredder.