A historical game

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

In case you played Qb3, my reply will be Nc8.

[d]r1nqr2k/1pp3b1/p2p1n1p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/1Q3N1P/1B1N1PP1/2R1R1K1 w - - 0 3

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

If you want to play "my line" take the variant of SF against K8 starting with 16.h3.

Just tell me what position after 15...f4 we start from, and we can play the game.

As just in the posting you just answered to, as in my first one and in my second one written, to repeat it for the fourth time:
15...f4 16.h3.

You can go on from any following moves of the game posted in my second answer to you between SF and K8

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. d3 d6 5. c3 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Re1 Re8 9. d4 Bd7 10. d5 Ne7 11. Bxd7 Nxd7 12. a4 h6 13. a5 a6 14. b4 f5 15. c4 f4 16. h3 Kh8 17. Bb2 Rg8 18. Qe2 Nc8 19. Rec1 Qe7 20. b5 Bf6 21. Ne1 h5 22. Nd3 Na7 23. Rab1

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 43&t=54391

or deviate whereever you want to for Black

I deviate with g5 instead of Kh8, as Komodo played.

[d]r2qr1k1/1ppnn1b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3N1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - 0 3

your turn now.

[yanquis1972]

going back a bit (sorry as this thread has already confused me) komodo 8s evaluation of this position
[d]r2qr1k1/1pp1n1b1/p2p1n1p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/1B1N1PP1/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1

is almost identical to that of stockfishes --

Analysis by Komodo 8 64-bit:

4.c5 Ng6 5.Qb3 Bf8 6.Rec1 Rb8 7.Rc2 Re7 8.Re1 Rf7 9.Rec1 Qd7 10.c6 Qc8 11.Ba1 Qe8 12.cxb7
+/- (0.74) Depth: 7 00:00:00 37kN
+/- (0.92) Depth: 17 00:00:01 7245kN
4.Qb3 Nc8 5.Bc3 Qe7 6.Qc2 Qf7 7.Rac1 Na7 8.Qb3 Nc8 9.b5 Nd7 10.Qc2 Ra7 11.Ra1 Ra8 12.Bb4 Nf6 13.Qb3 Rd8 14.Bc3
+/- (0.98) Depth: 17 00:00:01 8569kN
+/- (0.83) Depth: 20 00:00:08 70380kN
4.c5 Nc8 5.Rc1 Na7 6.Nc4 Rb8 7.Na3 Re7 8.Nd2 Qe8 9.Ndc4 Rd8 10.cxd6 cxd6 11.Nb6 h5 12.Rc3 g4 13.Qc2 Nb5 14.Nxb5 Qxb5 15.Qb3 Qe8 16.Rc4 Qf7
+/- (0.87) Depth: 20 00:00:08 73909kN
+/- (0.82) Depth: 22 00:00:22 207MN
4.Qb3 Nc8 5.Rec1 Qd7 6.Bc3 Qf7 7.b5 Nd7 8.Bb4 Bf6 9.Ne1 h5 10.f3 Qg7 11.Qd1 Na7 12.bxa6 bxa6 13.Nd3 Rab8 14.Rab1 Qf7 15.Qe2 Red8 16.Bc3 c5 17.Re1 Rxb1 18.Rxb1 Nc8
+/- (0.84) Depth: 22 00:00:25 231MN
+/- (0.80) Depth: 25 00:02:19 1293MN, tb=2
4.Rc1 Nc8 5.Nb1 Na7 6.Na3 Qe7 7.Qb3 Rad8 8.Nb1 Ra8 9.c5 Qd7 10.Nfd2 Rab8 11.cxd6 cxd6 12.Nc4 h5 13.Nc3 Qe7 14.b5 axb5 15.Nxb5 Nxb5 16.Qxb5 g4 17.Ba3 Red8 18.hxg4 hxg4
+/- (0.81) Depth: 25 00:03:03 1699MN, tb=2
4.Rb1 Nc8 5.Qe2 Qe7 6.Qd3 Qd7 7.Bc3 Qf7 8.Rec1 Nd7 9.Bb2 Nf6 10.Rc2 Rd8 11.Bc3 Nd7 12.Qe2 Re8 13.b5 b6 14.Nb3 axb5 15.cxb5 bxa5 16.Bxa5 Ndb6 17.Rbc1 Re7 18.Nfd2 h5 19.Rc6 Na7 20.Bxb6 Nxc6
+/- (0.88) Depth: 25 00:04:03 2323MN, tb=2
+/- (0.86) Depth: 29 00:13:07 8151MN, tb=2
4.Rc1 Nc8 5.c5 Na7 6.Nc4 Qe7 7.Qd3 Rab8 8.Na3 Qf7 9.Qc4 Bf8 10.Bc3 Ra8 11.Qd3 Qd7 12.Nc4 Qe7 13.Bb2 Qf7 14.Na3 Rab8 15.Bc3 Bg7 16.Nd2 Qe7 17.Bb2 Qd7 18.Rc2 Qa4
+/- (0.87) Depth: 29 00:13:57 8690MN, tb=2
+/- (0.86) Depth: 30 00:14:50 9295MN, tb=2

[peter]

I deviate with g5 instead of Kh8, as Komodo played.

[d]r2qr1k1/1ppnn1b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3N1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - 0 3

17.Qe2

[d]r2qr1k1/1ppnn1b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3NQPP1/R1B1R1K1 b - - 0 17

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

going back a bit (sorry as this thread has already confused me) komodo 8s evaluation of this position
[d]r2qr1k1/1pp1n1b1/p2p1n1p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/1B1N1PP1/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1

is almost identical to that of stockfishes --

Analysis by Komodo 8 64-bit:

4.c5 Ng6 5.Qb3 Bf8 6.Rec1 Rb8 7.Rc2 Re7 8.Re1 Rf7 9.Rec1 Qd7 10.c6 Qc8 11.Ba1 Qe8 12.cxb7
+/- (0.74) Depth: 7 00:00:00 37kN
+/- (0.92) Depth: 17 00:00:01 7245kN
4.Qb3 Nc8 5.Bc3 Qe7 6.Qc2 Qf7 7.Rac1 Na7 8.Qb3 Nc8 9.b5 Nd7 10.Qc2 Ra7 11.Ra1 Ra8 12.Bb4 Nf6 13.Qb3 Rd8 14.Bc3
+/- (0.98) Depth: 17 00:00:01 8569kN
+/- (0.83) Depth: 20 00:00:08 70380kN
4.c5 Nc8 5.Rc1 Na7 6.Nc4 Rb8 7.Na3 Re7 8.Nd2 Qe8 9.Ndc4 Rd8 10.cxd6 cxd6 11.Nb6 h5 12.Rc3 g4 13.Qc2 Nb5 14.Nxb5 Qxb5 15.Qb3 Qe8 16.Rc4 Qf7
+/- (0.87) Depth: 20 00:00:08 73909kN
+/- (0.82) Depth: 22 00:00:22 207MN
4.Qb3 Nc8 5.Rec1 Qd7 6.Bc3 Qf7 7.b5 Nd7 8.Bb4 Bf6 9.Ne1 h5 10.f3 Qg7 11.Qd1 Na7 12.bxa6 bxa6 13.Nd3 Rab8 14.Rab1 Qf7 15.Qe2 Red8 16.Bc3 c5 17.Re1 Rxb1 18.Rxb1 Nc8
+/- (0.84) Depth: 22 00:00:25 231MN
+/- (0.80) Depth: 25 00:02:19 1293MN, tb=2
4.Rc1 Nc8 5.Nb1 Na7 6.Na3 Qe7 7.Qb3 Rad8 8.Nb1 Ra8 9.c5 Qd7 10.Nfd2 Rab8 11.cxd6 cxd6 12.Nc4 h5 13.Nc3 Qe7 14.b5 axb5 15.Nxb5 Nxb5 16.Qxb5 g4 17.Ba3 Red8 18.hxg4 hxg4
+/- (0.81) Depth: 25 00:03:03 1699MN, tb=2
4.Rb1 Nc8 5.Qe2 Qe7 6.Qd3 Qd7 7.Bc3 Qf7 8.Rec1 Nd7 9.Bb2 Nf6 10.Rc2 Rd8 11.Bc3 Nd7 12.Qe2 Re8 13.b5 b6 14.Nb3 axb5 15.cxb5 bxa5 16.Bxa5 Ndb6 17.Rbc1 Re7 18.Nfd2 h5 19.Rc6 Na7 20.Bxb6 Nxc6
+/- (0.88) Depth: 25 00:04:03 2323MN, tb=2
+/- (0.86) Depth: 29 00:13:07 8151MN, tb=2
4.Rc1 Nc8 5.c5 Na7 6.Nc4 Qe7 7.Qd3 Rab8 8.Na3 Qf7 9.Qc4 Bf8 10.Bc3 Ra8 11.Qd3 Qd7 12.Nc4 Qe7 13.Bb2 Qf7 14.Na3 Rab8 15.Bc3 Bg7 16.Nd2 Qe7 17.Bb2 Qd7 18.Rc2 Qa4
+/- (0.87) Depth: 29 00:13:57 8690MN, tb=2
+/- (0.86) Depth: 30 00:14:50 9295MN, tb=2

Hi John.

Just tell me which move you play for white in the above position, and I will show you in a while that the 80cps white advantage is actually an 80cps black advantage.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

I deviate with g5 instead of Kh8, as Komodo played.

[d]r2qr1k1/1ppnn1b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3N1PP1/R1BQR1K1 w - - 0 3

17.Qe2

[d]r2qr1k1/1ppnn1b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3NQPP1/R1B1R1K1 b - - 0 17

Nc8

[d]r1nqr1k1/1ppn2b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3NQPP1/R1B1R1K1 w - - 0 4

[peter]

Nc8
[d]r1nqr1k1/1ppn2b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3NQPP1/R1B1R1K1 w - - 0 4

18.Bb2
[d]r1nqr1k1/1ppn2b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R3R1K1 b - - 0 18

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Nc8
[d]r1nqr1k1/1ppn2b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/3NQPP1/R1B1R1K1 w - - 0 4

18.Bb2
[d]r1nqr1k1/1ppn2b1/p2p3p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R3R1K1 b - - 0 18

h5

[d]r1nqr1k1/1ppn2b1/p2p4/P2Pp1pp/1PP1Pp2/5N1P/1B1NQPP1/R3R1K1 w - - 0 5

[zullil]

In case you played Qb3, my reply will be Nc8.

[d]r1nqr2k/1pp3b1/p2p1n1p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/1Q3N1P/1B1N1PP1/2R1R1K1 w - - 0 3

Stockfish chooses c5 (not Qb3) in reply to your Kh8.

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info depth 35 seldepth 47 multipv 1 score cp 109 nodes 4026469363 nps 17687493 time 227645 pv c4c5 e7c8 d2c4 f6h7 d1e2 c8a7 c4a3 h7f6 c1c2 h8g8 e1c1 e8e7 f3h2 h6h5 a3c4 e7e8 c5d6 c7d6 h2f3 f6h7 f3d2 h7f6 c4b6 a8b8 d2b1 g5g4 b1c3 d8e7 f2f3 g4g3 e2d3 a7c8 c3a4 c8b6 a4b6 e8f8

So your move here:
[d]r2qr2k/1pp1n1b1/p2p1n1p/P1PPp1p1/1P2Pp2/5N1P/1B1N1PP1/2RQR1K1 b - - 0 5

(I have some time after all, though it might not last ...)

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

In case you played Qb3, my reply will be Nc8.

[d]r1nqr2k/1pp3b1/p2p1n1p/P2Pp1p1/1PP1Pp2/1Q3N1P/1B1N1PP1/2R1R1K1 w - - 0 3

Stockfish chooses c5 (not Qb3) in reply to your Kh8.

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info depth 35 seldepth 47 multipv 1 score cp 109 nodes 4026469363 nps 17687493 time 227645 pv c4c5 e7c8 d2c4 f6h7 d1e2 c8a7 c4a3 h7f6 c1c2 h8g8 e1c1 e8e7 f3h2 h6h5 a3c4 e7e8 c5d6 c7d6 h2f3 f6h7 f3d2 h7f6 c4b6 a8b8 d2b1 g5g4 b1c3 d8e7 f2f3 g4g3 e2d3 a7c8 c3a4 c8b6 a4b6 e8f8

So your move here:
[d]r2qr2k/1pp1n1b1/p2p1n1p/P1PPp1p1/1P2Pp2/5N1P/1B1N1PP1/2RQR1K1 b - - 0 5

(I have some time after all, though it might not last ...)

Nc8

[d]r1nqr2k/1pp3b1/p2p1n1p/P1PPp1p1/1P2Pp2/5N1P/1B1N1PP1/2RQR1K1 w - - 0 2