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Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:35 pm
by Guenther
Of course I did already know that Jorden van Foreest is a young improving GM, but until today I did not know
that his next younger brother Lucas also is GM.
On top of that their sister Machteld, currently still at age 11, became number 3 in the Dutch womenchampionship!
And they have three! further brothers playing chess too. (didn't check their strength)
Their parents also play chess and the great great grand father of the kids also was Dutch champion three times
and his brother too!
https://vanforeest.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_van_Foreest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_van_Foreest
Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:38 pm
by Henk
[pgn]
[Event "Simul, 17b"]
[Site "Haarlem NED"]
[Date "1896.05.08"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Wilhelm Steinitz"]
[Black "Dirk van Foreest"]
[ECO "C55"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "76"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Ng5 d5 6. exd5
Na5 7. Bb5+ c6 8. dxc6 bxc6 9. Bd3 Bd6 10. O-O O-O 11. c3 c5
12. Na3 Rb8 13. Nf3 Kh8 14. cxd4 cxd4 15. Nc2 Nc6 16. b3 h6
17. Bb2 Bc5 18. Rc1 Qd6 19. Re1 Rd8 20. Be4 Nxe4 21. Rxe4 Qg6
22. Re1 Bg4 23. Na3 Bb4 24. Rf1 Rd6 25. Nc4 Re6 26. a3 Be7
27. b4 a6 28. Qb3 Bf6 29. Ncd2 Rbe8 30. Rfe1 Bxf3 31. Nxf3
Rxe1+ 32. Nxe1 Qe4 33. Nd3 Bg5 34. Rf1 Kg8 35. Qc4 Re6 36. h3
Bd2 37. Nc5 Qe2 38. Qd5 Qxf1+ 0-1
[/pgn]
Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:58 am
by Uri Blass
Henk wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:54 pm
Another one Tommy Grooten.
[pgn]
[Event "Edited game"]
[Site "LAPTOP-1FK7MTIP"]
[Date "2019.08.02"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
1. Nf3 d6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 Bg4 4. Bg2 Nd7 5. O-O Ngf6 6. Nbd2 h6 7. c3 Be7 8.
Re1 O-O 9. Qc2 Re8 10. Nf1 Bf8 11. e4 g6 12. Ne3 Be6 13. d4 c6 14. dxe5
Nxe5 15. b3 Nxf3+ 16. Bxf3 d5 17. exd5 Bxd5 18. Bxd5 Nxd5 19. Bd2 Nxe3 20.
Bxe3 Qa5 21. Bd4 Bg7 22. Bxg7 Kxg7 23. b4 Qg5 24. Rad1 Rxe1+ 25. Rxe1 Rd8
26. Rd1 Rxd1+ 27. Qxd1 Qe5 28. Qd2 Qe6 29. Qd4+ Qf6 30. Qxa7 Qxc3 31. Qxb7
Qe1+ 32. Kg2 Qe4+ 33. Kg1 Qe1+ 34. Kg2
*
[/pgn]
I was white.
If you can't even win from a eight year old you better quit for you have no talent.
Reshevsky played better. So no guarantee someone getting world champion.
Your opponent is 9 years old and not 8 years old
http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=1068806
Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:57 pm
by Henk
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:58 am
Henk wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:54 pm
Another one Tommy Grooten.
[pgn]
[Event "Edited game"]
[Site "LAPTOP-1FK7MTIP"]
[Date "2019.08.02"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
1. Nf3 d6 2. g3 e5 3. d3 Bg4 4. Bg2 Nd7 5. O-O Ngf6 6. Nbd2 h6 7. c3 Be7 8.
Re1 O-O 9. Qc2 Re8 10. Nf1 Bf8 11. e4 g6 12. Ne3 Be6 13. d4 c6 14. dxe5
Nxe5 15. b3 Nxf3+ 16. Bxf3 d5 17. exd5 Bxd5 18. Bxd5 Nxd5 19. Bd2 Nxe3 20.
Bxe3 Qa5 21. Bd4 Bg7 22. Bxg7 Kxg7 23. b4 Qg5 24. Rad1 Rxe1+ 25. Rxe1 Rd8
26. Rd1 Rxd1+ 27. Qxd1 Qe5 28. Qd2 Qe6 29. Qd4+ Qf6 30. Qxa7 Qxc3 31. Qxb7
Qe1+ 32. Kg2 Qe4+ 33. Kg1 Qe1+ 34. Kg2
*
[/pgn]
I was white.
If you can't even win from a eight year old you better quit for you have no talent.
Reshevsky played better. So no guarantee someone getting world champion.
Your opponent is 9 years old and not 8 years old
http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=1068806
Don't know his birthday. They told me he was eight years old.
I remember playing once against a nine year old but this person (only) has rating 2200 while being sixteen years old now.
That game also ended in a draw.
Probably Machteld van Foreest is a serious candidate for getting World Champion. But looked like she hated the chess lessons she got from her coach.
I also remember she did not want to talk to us for our rating was too low. Mine only about 1700-1750.
[End of gossip] I already asked moderators to delete my posts in this thread but they did not.
Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:22 pm
by Uri Blass
https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=1051563
Machteld is age 12 and is clearly weak relative to judit polgar at age 11.
Judit already had rating 2355 at age 11 and one year later 2555 if my memory is correct.
Machteld Van Foreest failed in the european girls chess championship and only got place 9 and going to go down in the rating list.
see the following:
https://chess-results.com/tnr459977.asp ... =9&flag=30
Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:33 pm
by Henk
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Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:38 pm
by Henk
Can't make money with playing chess when you are older than 45. So you should earn as much money as possible when you are young.
Don't know about chlld labor. Fisher, Michael Jackson being bad examples.
Re: Are the van Foreests the new Polgars?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:45 pm
by jorose
Going down in the rating list after world junior championships or similar is normal if you have a well established rating as most people there are underrated.
A single tournament performance generally doesn't tell you much about a player anyways.
As for Tommy's age, I would listen to the child as FIDE got my age wrong for the longest time themselves. They claimed I was a year older than I actually am.